Texas Couple Describes Triangle UFO at 20 Feet

a reply to: Kandinsky

You're not convinced that they're secret technology? UAVs have existed at least since the Fritz X, "UFOs" have existed at least since the Horton 229. The latter sounds an awful lot like what Kenneth Arnold saw. Experiments with electromagnetism have existed since god knows when.

So let me get this straight. It's got no rivets, joints or seams. Check. It is completely soundless. Check. It's triangular. Check. It has no exhaust. check. It's (according to the witnesses) right over a major city at very low altitude. Check. It's near a military instillation. check. It's got glowing "plasma like" emitters on the bottom. check.

Come on they saw a lear jet. Case solved.






Taking a jab at bybyots there, couldn't resist. Get it jab...alright thats an inside joke. Anywho, I say they saw a US Govt. craft. How they work we don't know other than via speculation. Could be a super low observable craft designed to check for radiologicals and they have them flying slowly over major cities, anywhere really, to sniff for stuff bad guys shouldn't be putting anywhere near american soil. It could be a long time on station spy blimp like LTA vehicle that has a crap load of antennas hidden in it to listen for Sig Int. It could be a stealth transponder system designed to lurk in a battle zone and relay data ensuring that there is no fog of war. It could be a super super low observable hacking and data sifting device that can penetrate enemy cities hover over their installations and do a data upload stealing all the goodies off their servers or by planting some nasty stuff into it. There could be a myriad of reasons the US would want a technology like this. And even more good reasons to keep it classified.

I doubt the thing would have done anything except skitter away and flee if they had thrown anything at it. I doubt it's armed. I wouldn't want to touch it while it's operating since it may have a charge to the skin and may give a nasty shock on accident.

to me the most interesting point is the four "lights" on the bottom that were described as orangish. Three seems to be the norm but I believe they experiment with many configurations of thee "thrusters" I've noticed a common trend with these types of crafts. The slow moving ones seem to have a orange/ reddish colored hue to these lights. Maybe a "plasma thruster" using a gas like neon or carbon will burn reddish orange. ones using O2 burning maybe a whitish dull yellow. (I could be wrong here as to what color different gasses become when excited or turned into a plasma, but you get the idea)
Maybe those are better efficiency wise for long term missions, where you have to conserve your fuel. The fast ones seem to have bluish white colored "lights" as if they are using Xenon or some other gas in their systems.

Also the different colored "lights" on the bottom could be from different types of "thrusters" being used. Like say a electrothermal plasma thruster should be reddish. A electroststic ion or hall thruster should be whitish blue. etc.

Maybe the propulsion is even more advanced than a plasma thruster and the different colors represent different power levels on the propulsion. Red for low power blue to white for high power.

The central light in the middle often reported. Maybe a super duper high tech next level antenna of some sort tuned for very low frequencies hence the reddish hue? Maybe the crafts bleed quantum energy off using photons to carry the energy away.

Who knows in the end. But excellent thread here Bybyots flagged it.

Personally I think they saw a lear jet in their back yard.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Translucent they say? optically hard to see?

Also if I were the investigators (heres a little tip for the mufon folks to help their investigative skills get on the same page as the 21 century) I would ask the witnesses if they had at the time any congestion in their inner ear, or sinuses. Or had any somatic sensations during the sighting. I won't go into why here on ATS, but if they did/do have those sort of issues it might explain why they were even ABLE to see the thing at all when they should not have. No i'm not talking about double negative refraction index meta materials here or even plasmonics.

seriously folks we have some really, really nice gear out there thats very classified. And rightfully so.

a reply to: Ridhya

I had no idea that there was a history of UFO sightings and even less that UAVs existed in the past. Thank you kindly for correcting my abject ignorance on the subject.

Thank goodness for your kindness and bountiful praise be upon thy family.

: )

a reply to: Kandinsky

I dig your avatar BTW kandinsky. Very cool.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I say they saw a US Govt. craft.

if it was us govt and flying round a residential area at low altitude i would guess it wasn't military

a reply to: aynock

why? the military has a mission to protect it's citizens. Maybe the craft was doing a mission such as that. radiologicals and such.

Maybe the occasionally need to test it in a real world environment with all the EM pollution and see if it can still do it's job.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

why? the military has a mission to protect it's citizens. Maybe the craft was doing a mission such as that. radiologicals and such.

i think other departments takes care of that sort of thing, not military

Maybe the occasionally need to test it in a real world environment with all the EM pollution and see if it can still do it's job.

seems a bit of a random method of testing to me - very difficult to quantify and control variables

and if it's job involves operating in residential areas, again, i think other departments take care of that sort of thing

a reply to: aynock

Not arguing that other departments might have the responsibility, what you say makes sense actually. My bad. But still could be military. Could be one of the alphabet soup agencies. Could be those nest guys. Could be govt playing find the needle in the haystack game where they send someone out into a city and have him hide and they send one of these over and see if they can find him using their sensors or whatever. But you bring up a good point.

I Liken My sighting of a strange craft with yours...as both were apparently autonomously piloted UAV...both witnessed in nighttime sky past 11:00pm, both in the metro areas--
-mine in Phoenix. but at about 60 feet aloft with only 3 amber-ish light sources underneath the 12' triangle shape...

my sighting also traveled nonchalantly at anywheres from 15-30mph glide rate (yet another difference but both being slow moving)
but my sighting saw the craft (or else a formation of pelican-sized glowing orbs) glided at some 50' north of my position in a westward direction and some 20-25 minutes later pass almost directly overhead on the return path going eastward.

..the flight path seemed to follow the street light corridor of Camelback Avenue itself (I was just 7 streets west of the Central Avenue intersect)

I think interesting testing of autonomous UAV drones are taking place, using population centers as testing grounds as the initial testing in the deserts was successful and actual dress rehearsal flights in real-time conditions are important before disclosure is announced publically of exotic propulsion systems powering automated/autonomous drones with AI capability

sky-net for drugs/terrorists/criminals/persons-of-interest, etc.
these craft do not go out of the way to be stealthy, other than the usual low % of sighting instances because of time frame/weather/etc.


thanks for the report

a reply to: Kandinsky
Rudeness aside, I was referring to what you said about the 70s sightings. "People have been shouting 'secret technology' since the mid-70s and I'm not convinced by that explanation." I was merely showing that it was technologically possible at that time.

a reply to: St Udio

I agree with you here. Also, I too can attest that they do seem to have a habit of following streets. I saw one go straight down the center of my street in a heavy urban area at low altitude. only difference was it wasn't going slow.

Does seem like they are testing something out over our cities.

a reply to: Bybyots

Just a few thoughts and comments.

I was recently asked to write 2500 words about my own black triangle sighting
and my theory about it by a very famous UFO author. I did so, and it will be
available in September.

And you know what?

I still have more unanswered questions than answers. When this subject comes
up, I have to fight back raw, angry emotions, and trust me, I could be shot
and I wouldn't get a reaction like that. The whole event was so reality bending
I guess, that "overly mundane explanations" are so ludicrous.

Now as most of you know, i was a nuclear guy in the Navy. I know a lot about
science and technology. I worked at a classified prototype facility for 6
months. So I can appreciate the theory that we have some higher tech
stuff flying around in the sky. But there are always pro's and con's to
this view that just don't add up for me.

Now a lot of people say that the black triangle UFOs (BTUFOS) are being
'tested' over major population centers. Well, that really makes me shake
my head. When we tested nuclear reactors we didn't drive them to the
mall and see if they would blow up. (eye roll). One would think that
testing BTUFOS over dense population centers would break hundreds of
civilian and military laws.

But on the other hand, the one I saw did have 3 red lights (one on each
corner), which my friend who flies says means "do not approach",
which does seem rather "aircrafty".

On that note, I know very little about aircraft.. and in fact I can't
find enough interest in them to study them. I suppose I should.

From a technical standpoint, it seems reasonable to me that
there are fancy drones out there.. possibly some sort of blimp/
combo technology and god knows, maybe even some fancy
counter rotating ring/mercury/nazi design thing out there, but
I find that least likely.

But yah, one could make the technology argument.

But "my" BTUFO flew from horizon to horizon in 45 seconds
without exhaust or noise (I have no idea how fast that is),
and of course it changed shape 3 times and 'talked to me'.

That doesn't seem very "droney" or "blimpey" to me.. but
yah, I suppose active countermeasures and EM fields
affecting my brain COULD be an answer.

But those tech answers seem way more far fetched than
any 'strange explanation' I can think of. Especially since
Vallee says that the first sightings of BTUFOs were
supposedly several thousand years ago.

My own hand-drawing is here:

files.abovetopsecret.com...

I guess on a final note, that there seems to be a significant
variety of BTUFO styles, so if Grummond or whatever was mass
producing them, that would make no sense at all.

This strikes to the heart of the UFO condundrum.. how can there
be thousands (millions) of different types of them, and you are
expecting me to believe that they are military or alien?

That variety would tend to support the bloated imagination,
EM fields affecting the mind, or the Plasma Lifeform theories
more than anything...

of course any sufficiently advanced technology cannot be
distinguished from magic.. (Clark's Law).

Heck. I just don't know.

;-)

Kev

Good Morning,

It's so nice to see everyone.

Hey, want to hear one of my craziest ideas about how some of these "devices" may have come to be? Including K.Arnold's shimmering silvery deltas?

Okay, but don't tell anybody:

I sometimes find myself entertaining the thought that we are not the first "iteration" of human being s that have inhabited the Terra and built cities and technology.

Sometimes I think that these things are something automated that our predecessors left behind. Something that is activated under certain conditions.

They are networked devices carrying out old instructions. This is what governments have been back-engineering.

The stuff is very old, and that's why we sometimes have reports like the Edwin Fuhr case where the devices are described as being all "beaten up and dented".

I mean, who builds these things the size of a surfboard.

Anyway, now for some coffee.

travelling from horizon to horizon in a unusually short time is pretty damned common these days. Just live in southern california and look up from time to time early in the morning. There are a few platforms that can do that. Lots of people see objects do that and don't immediately go oooooooh interdimensional space alien gods are experimenting with the human experience again. I like valle's ideas. But I have no reason to believe that they are anymore valid than anything else woo thats been thrown out there. His hypothesis certainly has no more credibility or leverage in this argument then possible real world tech.

If something has active optical camo why would it be a surprise that it appears to change shape? If something has tech that also can directly interfere with your ability to see the craft clearly I wouldn't be surprised if your perceptions of it's shape changed through out the observation.

If same said tech, which I will not go into here, can do this then it's not much of a stretch that they are also looking at ways to directly relay data packages via EM fields to a persons brain. These are technologies that in the real world they are trying to develop. Why does it have to be interdimensional space gods experimenting on us and not humans instead?

As far as testing this stuff over cities. Why not you don't know what the mission is that it's trying to be capable of performing. Maybe the mission IS the ability to fly undetected over cities and then "do things". They gotta test it on a city somewhere before it goes operational. Why not a friendly city right next the facility thats developing the tech?

Also who says it would have a nuclear reactor in it to power it. Thats not really looking at all the other cards available to play for power requirements of these craft. Maybe the technology is maturing and it's relatively safe to fly them over populated civilian areas and have for a while. Any idea how many extremely classified aircraft programs overfly Los Angeles all the time? It's more than the number of fingers on one of your hands. And I anint taling about f35's and 22's. things way more advanced than those. They are comfortable doing that, so why not some other project they are putting the finishing touches on.

Humans are cleaver and we learn pretty damned fast when we want to. Why does it have to be interdimensional space gods experimenting on humans for no real reason since they are so omnipotent and probably know how every thing in the universe works anyways.

Hope the article goes well. For me I don't put much stock into UFO researchers. Classified technology researchers maybe but UFO researchers that are operating from strictly the standpoint that it's all aliens or interdimensional pranksters not so much. But thats just me.

a reply to: Bybyots

Ditto.

Your comment brings up the very humorous thought I get all the time.
It seems that many sightings are of very tiny disks or other very
absurdly tiny 'craft'. I'm talking like 10' to 50'.

So I guess those MUST REALLY BE "little green men"; VERY little
green men.

Of course another common thing in the annals of the strange,
going way back to 'ghost sightings' and what not, strange
telephone calls from "MIB" and on Skinwalker Ranch is the
hearing of mechanical voices..

Logically, if these things are physically real in any nuts and
bolts sense, then they may be artificially intelligent probes.

On the other hand, the only difference between 'matter' and
'spirit' might be the Higgs Boson.. so the plasma lifeform
theory remains just as viable.

Of course there is the 'dual' theory, that there is both something
weird going on, and the 'evil' government using what tech we do
have to 'fan the flames' even further.

But your post reminds me of the 'very teeny tiny green men'
thing, which makes me smile.. so I had to respond!

Kev

originally posted by: Bybyots
I found this element of the couple's description to be really interesting...

“’It’ was about 20 feet above us.

Its measurements were about 5-7 feet long and 3-5 feet wide and 1-3 feet in height.”

It was tiny. Like a silent, floating stealth-coffin. WTF?

Thanks for catching this as it does seem pretty significant and maybe even revelatory. Nice presentation of the story and commentary. You rock. Gortex, too.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Everyone has an opinion!

Could you please provide links as to which aircraft can go horizon to horizon
with no aerodynamic parts, exhausts or noise of any kind in under 45 seconds?

And please don't include any which have the jet engines tucked away up top
or whatever.. at least the BTUFO I saw was kind enough to waggle itself
so I could see top, bottom and all sides -- no aircraft parts whatsoever..

unless the 'active camo' could hide them perfectly. No windshields or
viewing ports either. In fact the thing looked like it had been carved out
of a mountain. A huge flying wedge of gunmetal granite cheese.

It's hard to imagine that
a human pilot could fly that thing unless it was a hypersonic drone, and
in that case, it would take massive skill to keep from crashing it into
houses and towers as it flew pretty low.

This is NOT a hostile or challenging response. I want the information.

And I'll repeat that I don't know what "IT" was. And neither do you,
or any of us, I'd wager.

Thanks,

Kev

My family witnessed strange lights etc. back in 1997 here in rural CO. Lots of military training operations down here in the boonies. We're used to seeing all kinds of low flying aircraft day/night.

Common sense tells us what we saw was military or experimental aircraft. What gets me about these types of sightings is the blatant way they show themselves. What exactly is the reason for hanging over people's houses with lights blazing? Is this really part of their training or is it to scare/freak out the locals for fun?

I'm not sure what's going on but if it's military it kind of pissed me off at the time, still does. Because it was so strange I assumed it was experimental aircraft we'd never seen before. So if it's secret military aircraft why advertise their presence?

I had enough of their antics and decided to let them know we were watching. I flashed my flash light at them 3x's. Well the damn thing instantly appeared over my house lights ablaze without ever making a sound. It's like it double backed behind us. WTH?

I wasn't sure what was going on but felt I had to get my kids to town, they were scared. I still have an image of military pilots laughing as we ran away, the bastards. We found two other rural families that experienced something similar on the same night. One little boy was playing outside alone at night. He came running in, crying went to his room slammed the door, said something about lights but didn't want to talk about it. His mom thought it was a prank until I questioned her about military lights. The other was a woman who thought she'd lost her mind.

There lots of areas out here where you wouldn't be seen by anything but cattle/wildlife. What motivates them to display their strangeness around homes? It's like they want to be seen and scaring children is so worth it.

I imagine back in the day test pilots enjoyed stampeding cattle with their "training" but ranchers would complain get/angry if the herds were stressed. I wonder if they've switched over to effing with humans instead? It's perfect if humans complain no one listens/believes them.

I just don't understand the point of showing themselves with no explanation. It seems they do it to scare/discredit people and leave them wondering if they're losing their mind. I understand the military has to test/train but if they're effing with the locals for fun it could be a dangerous game. It feels experimental, like they're begging for a reaction or don't care.

Next time I see something so strange purposely hanging over my house with no explanation or identifying marks, eff the flash light, I"m shooting at it. One mountain man living out here did just that when a strange aircraft settled over his place. No one ever came and questioned him/arrested him for it. Maybe it's lots O' fun for them but they should be a bit more careful around rural folk.

a reply to: Morningglory

Thanks for your story. It was fascinating.

I think the obvious answer is that the 'testing' is psychological..

That in fact the 'craft' or 'effect' works 100% perfectly (it had better
to be so close and low over population centers).

We are the lab rats and this world is the maze.

This actually fits in perfectly with my hypothesis.. but I'll keep that
out of this thread.. I'm enjoying the low-woo, low-hostility in this
thread.

Kev