Le Petit Journal Exposes Fox News Lies

I wrote this in the wrong thread on accident, but it is more appropriate here.

More info on the situation and what Fox had right or wrong in their report:


I will throw out here some points that might be confused. If not, just scroll on by!

One point to make- what is being referred to as “no go” zones do exist in France, in the biggest cities. Though they are not the neighborhoods that were highlighted as such on that map. They are commonly referred to as "les banlieues", more politically correct to call them "zones sensibles". They are most often made up of HLM's which are rent controlled housing.

Two- The police and non-muslims are not kept out of these zones through any sort of legal order by the French authorities.
For the most part, they simply stay out of them because it is dangerous for them, they are outnumbered, and have less firepower.
That doesn’t mean (as some of the Fox reports I watched depicted) that there is always riots and burning cars going on there. It means all can be quiet, but if a cop drives in, rocks and bottles will pelt down on him from the higher floors of the buildings, shots will begin to ring out, without it being clear exactly where they are coming from.

Many of the inhabitants of such areas are not muslim at all.

A distinguishing point in France, there is a high population of maghrebis – people of Algerian, Moroccan, and Tunisian origin. These origins have different cultures, yet found a unifying force in recognition of what they have in common- that they speak Arabic. So they embraced the term “arabs” and it is commonly used. The second generation arabs suffer some difficulty in integrating the French culture, and also feeling detached from the culture of their parents. These people make up the majority of the population in the banlieues (the “ghettos”).

For many americans, they hear the word “arab” and assume “muslims” is what is being referred to. That is not the case. Some of these people are Christian, some are not practicing religious muslims, some are moderate muslims, some are not religious at all.

There is NO Sharia law in effect there.
Because they are not all muslim, and the ones that are, are rarely fundamentalists.
...Also because the biggest power and threat in these areas is -

Les Caïds des Cités literally means The Caids of the Banlieues, or HLM crime lords. These are the organized criminal groups that have more recently appeared in the suburbs of most major French cities. The criminal organizations are predominantly formed by French Maghrebis (Algerians, Tunisians and Moroccans) and to a lesser extent French Blacks, Manouche and Yeniche Travellers living in these impoverished suburbs are increasingly involved in these gangs as well.
They are known for their involvement in drug trafficking, weapons trafficking, and murder. Although they are not as secretive as the Corsican gangs, they are just as ruthless. Recently a number of murders (mostly committed with AK-47s) and torture, including setting rivals on fire, in Marseille can be attributed to an intense drug war between organized criminal gangs from the suburbs. Les caids des cités are said to be taking the place the "traditional" criminals used to have in the French Riviera over control of drug trafficking.

en.wikipedia.org...

In Islam, alcohol and drug use is prohibited, as is most of this activity, so they have not even allowed the suggestion of Sharia Law to be brought up in their territories!


Even so, the troubled young in these areas see crime with the caids as probably the only option to choose (since they do not want to live as their peaceful parents do- rather unsuccessfully financially, humility being part of their practice),

The extremist recruiters offer another option which has it’s promises and benefits as well, as soldiers for Allah. That doesn’t mean the banlieues, and “no go zones” are made up of ISIS- it means that from there, many young men and women are being picked out, sent to other countries for training, and coming back to commit terrorism in the country of their birth- France. They are not the ones doing gang rapes, murdering store owners, stealing, burning cars, etc. They are the ones that are keeping their heads down and planning or awaiting the right moment for bigger events.

The moderate muslims, and the first generation immigrants, who are peaceful, are often virtual prisoners in these areas of the caids.

This situation here, most of the American public does not know about, and it is not in a ten minute broadcast that they will be told all of that, in order to refer to these zones and situation in a proper context.

a reply to: Bluesma

That was an extremely informative post. Thank you!

You have to admire the arrogance of posters who do not believe he inhabitants of a particular country, who live, breathe and experience it every single day, and instead choose to try and defend something based on their own skewed bias.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord


I think it's pretty clear that, in this case, it's outright lies being put forth by Fox News.

Sorry - no. It is not.


It will continue to play out further, and you may remember this thread one day.


In GB's second largest city, muslim children outnumber Christian children.


Do you have any idea what that means?


Do any of the 'enlightened' sheeple condemning TV via more TV have any idea what that means?



No.

I have been reading news blogs for years, and now and again, news comes up of a riot in a Paris suburb, cars being burnt, police being stoned, (no not drugs) and general mayhem, some Paris suburbs really are no go zones, the government wants to keep a lid on that kind of thing, bad for tourism, bad for inward investment, bad for trade, just bad.

originally posted by: sicksonezer0
a reply to: Bluesma

That was an extremely informative post. Thank you!

Except the post is telling readers to forget stats and first hand eyewitnesses, you must believe that fox is telling the truth but there are no stats or first hand accounts to back it up, just believe them, for your safety.

originally posted by: pikestaff
I have been reading news blogs for years, and now and again, news comes up of a riot in a Paris suburb, cars being burnt, police being stoned, (no not drugs) and general mayhem, some Paris suburbs really are no go zones, the government wants to keep a lid on that kind of thing, bad for tourism, bad for inward investment, bad for trade, just bad.

What does that have to do with Muslim extremists? That was young people who were otherwise normal citizens except they were extremely mad about their economy, not about insults to Muhammad.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

What does that have to do with Muslim extremists? That was young people who were otherwise normal citizens except they were extremely mad about their economy, not about insults to Muhammad.

What would you say to the 1,400 plus girls in Rotherham?


Were their rapists just frustrated young citizens who complain about the economy by kidnapping, torture and brutal rape?


Or was that invented by Fox News also?

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

What does that have to do with Muslim extremists? That was young people who were otherwise normal citizens except they were extremely mad about their economy, not about insults to Muhammad.

What would you say to the 1,400 plus girls in Rotherham?


Were their rapists just frustrated young citizens who complain about the economy by kidnapping, torture and brutal rape?


Or was that invented by Fox News also?

Rapists were burning cars and stoning police?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

No - they were kidnapping, raping and torturing young non-muslim infidel girls.

Since 1997 at least.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Good lord, you people act like TV commentary is like a regular news cast. What network doesn't put out its crappola from mouths that are paid to blabber. Actually, Fox exposes more stupid BS from the other networks, especially CNN and
MSNBC that it will ever put out. Funny thing about liberals, they want to ban hate, but they absolutely hate Fox. Double standard I guess as they want to kill (hate) the messenger

We don't hate Fox News, we hate manipulative liars and Fox just happens to take the cake in that category.

You know what they say, "If the shoe fits..."

originally posted by: Seamrog
a reply to: MALBOSIA

No - they were kidnapping, raping and torturing young non-muslim infidel girls.

Since 1997 at least.

You talk about riots and mayhem, I ask you what that has to do with Islam and you say they were raping infidels...

Just to clarify. The rioters that were burning cars and stoning police were also raping infidels?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

I think it went over your head entirely. I said nothing of riots and mayhem.

The comments are directed at the notion that the connected events across western Europe have nothing to do with islam - that they are fabrications of the media.

Within a generation, when you are no longer able to find a pub in Birmingham, what will you blame it on?

Fox News?

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Hefficide


S&F yet again and out b4 I get called progressive.

Well, you could be dammit, maybe we all could be. What about the/a, truthometer of TV news reports forum? that deals solely with mainstream television news, nothing about hearts and minds, just plain old TV fallacy and/or manipulation in the first instance. There are probably huge amounts of material on ATS right now, splattered all over different forums and threads showing false depictions on video from the mainstream, but in isolation.
The simple fact, Fox is but one, and about as subtle as a Bull in a China shop, that is the only difference.

That's NOT the only difference!!!

The biggest difference is the fact that Fox News is the only news source that fought for and won, (in the U.S. courts) the right to lie on the air and/or fire any employees unwilling to do so.

Pretty big difference, if you ask me.

originally posted by: Seamrog
a reply to: MALBOSIA

I think it went over your head entirely. I said nothing of riots and mayhem.

The comments are directed at the notion that the connected events across western Europe have nothing to do with islam - that they are fabrications of the media.

Within a generation, when you are no longer able to find a pub in Birmingham, what will you blame it on?

Fox News?

What fox did is inexcusable. They are not the only ones but they were caught and THAT is the topic of this thread. Grabbing at straws to defend Fox with obfuscation is BS.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

If you insist the issue is Fox News, then you are an idiot. Basing that assumption on a youtube video from another media outlet is even more idiotic. Pretending like the posts here that substantiate no-go zones, even if that is not what the Parisians call them is dillusional. Is the issue that the circle put on a map is off by 50km?

No.


Professed outrage at manipulated media to defame islamists is totally and shamefully put to pasture by the silence on the Rotherham cover-up.

Brutal torture and rape is ALLOWED to continue for more than a decade because of a fear of ruffling islamist feathers is inexcusable - as is the selective outrage by the cultural elite types who continue to insist that none of the connected events across Europe and the world have anything to do with muslims.

It is damnable.

a reply to: Seamrog

I think we understand that you hate muslims now.

So thanks for letting us know.

With regard to your scaremongeroing

Heres the UK Demographics for 2014

Christian (includes Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 59.5%, Muslim 4.4%, Hindu 1.3%, other 2%, none 25.7%, unspecified 7.2% (2011 est.)

Oh and BTW.... pubs are closing because supermarkets are open selling alchohol 24/7 and cheaper. Nothing to do with religion.

a reply to: neformore

I hate ignorance...the same type of ignorance that copies a stat from Wikipedia or looks at a youtube video for proof of position.


In the UK's second largest city, muslim children outnumber Christian children. For those that care about traditional western values, that is a scary, sobering statistic.

For those that imagine themselves as cultural elites, that is nothing to chirp at, and the cover-up at Rotherham is not a serious matter worth discussing.


I don't hate islamists. I hate what they are doing all over the world, and I hate that their ideaology is spreading.

well i was going to post this on the other fox thread.this along with my first post on page 2 where the last president of france and a former french intelligence officer called them that, (well it doesn't say the excat words no go zones in that article, but it does infer that), should show that they were and are still seen that way by some in france.

here are some article that go back to before this year. some either say no go zone or places where the police are attacked,and or refer to ethnic, or muslims. also you will notice that some are real careful not to mention race, nationally of origin or religion, but it you look them up you find that it is a muslim dominated area, or a high number of muslims.

first ones come from france and are translated. be sure to look at the dates they were published.

The city of Evry face the sad palmares of those areas where police forces can not go for fear of being attacked suddenly pavers. Yet another case of stoning took place October 17, 2014 in the district of Tarterêts where 3 policemen were injured. And this is not the first time.[Tribune] Evry, a zone of lawlessness among others under the influence of the scum

The priority areas are: the Seine-Saint-Denis (Saint-Denis, Saint-Ouen), Paris (Paris XVIII) Yvelines (Mantes-la-Jolie, Mantes-la-Ville), Essonne (Corbeil -Essonne) Somme (Amiens), the North (Lille), Oise (Meru and Chambly), Mosel (Fameck and Uckange), Bas-Rhin (Strasbourg), the Rhone (Lyon ninth) Bouches -of-Rhône (Gardanne and Bouc-Bel-aire), Marseille (Marseille III, XIII, XIV, XV and XVI), Gard (Vauvert and Saint-Gilles), Herault (Lunel and Mauguio) and Guyana ( Cayenne, Matoury Remire-Montjoly). After this first wave, forty to fifty other ZSP should be defined in the future. With these areas, one of Hollande's campaign promises, is "to establish enhanced security action on targeted areas, characterized by entrenched crime and high expectations of the population," stated the Interior Minister, Manuel Valls, in the month of June.
Security: these cities called "priority"

And on the side of law enforcement, this voltage is sustained. "Working in the northern district of Amiens has become very complicated. The police are not welcome in this neighborhood. And for police officers, in addition to being difficult, it has become dangerous," says Michael on Europe 1 Vandevelde, deputy secretary general of SNOP-SCSI police union.Amiens-Nord, a "no-go zone"?

QUESTION OF THE DAY - The Marseille is the theater of cascading settling of accounts. QUESTION OF THE DAY - After yet another settlement accounts in Marseille, on drug trafficking bottom and serious employment problems, the government has decided to react and know. Down in Marseille with no less than five ministers , Jean-Marc Ayrault has reaffirmed the determination of the state. But also promised reinforcements : 24 Police of the investigation and CRS company will soon be deployed in Marseille. Except that this move of the government and this reinforcing announcement is not a first and did not fundamentally curb the spiral of violence.
In your eyes, Marseille has it become a no-go area?

this next link i think they are talking about a neighborhood in Toulouse.

Before becoming famous as the neighborhood grew Mohamed Merah , the Izards, city of Toulouse ranked priority Safety Zone (ZSP), was already a hub of drug trafficking in which several observers the rule of law gives way gradually to grip of thugs. The Izards "area of ??lawlessness" (Cohen)

here is a link to the NY Times concerning mohamed merah, he claimed to have ties to al qaeda and killed seven people in 2012. the page has a bunch of articles. Mohammed Merah and Abdelkader Merah (Shootings in Toulouse, France) below are some U.S./ English articles. remember to look at the dates.

Sarkozy, a blunt speaking, energetic man, has drawn fire even from cabinet colleagues for his threats to "Karcher-ize" the "scum" in the suburbs, referring to a well known brand of industrial high-pressure cleaner. But he has not backed down, promising in an opinion piece published in the daily "Le Monde" this weekend that "we will no longer tolerate 'no-go' zones where organized crime and mafia dealing reign."Chirac vows crackdown as unrest, discontent spreads

In 1994, in one of France's first encounters with radical Islamic terrorism, two unemployed French-born men from La Courneuve hid their faces behind masks and shot up a hotel in the Moroccan city of Marrakesh. Two Spanish tourists were killed.
During their trial in 1995, they testified that during several months of indoctrination, they watched videos of the massacre of Bosnian Muslims and of Palestinian suffering in Israeli-occupied territory, then were sent to a military training camp in Pakistan. They were condemned to death. President Jacques Chirac interceded with the Moroccan government to have their sentence commuted to life imprisonment.

In 2002, in what is still a continuing investigation, the police arrested three men from La Courneuve along with others from a nearby suburb on suspicion of plotting to attack the Russian Embassy and other targets in Paris with cyanide gas. Among the items discovered by the police were radical Islamic literature, more than $25,000 in cash, counterfeit passports and a protective suit used in handling toxic chemicals. One of those arrested had trained in Afghanistan and Chechnya.

both of the above quotes come from here.Immigrants' Dreams Mix With Fury Near Paris

continued next post.

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this is one below by a frenchman in english, google his name, and look at his wiki for credentials. seems to be pretty respected.

The public-housing projects that gradually burgeoned around most French cities in the second half of the 20th century now serve as strongholds and training grounds for these violent gangs. After the incident on National Road 455, the stone-throwers were rolled back into the neighboring projects, but there was no further pursuit. One police source confided to Le Monde that security forces were actually "discouraged" from making incursions into those neighborhoods, except on rare occasions. The source went on: "It is a terrible mistake. Since we avoid going inside, where they are, they attack us outside, where we are."
Most French suburban public housing was originally designed by talented architects, and could have developed into pleasant neighborhoods. Mass immigration had an adverse effect on them, however, and turned them into either North African or black African ghettoes (an estimated 15 percent of the overall French population--one quarter of the population under 20--is now non-European and non-Judeo-Christian). Ethnic criminal gangs took over, as often happens under such circumstances: They forced the last native French or European inhabitants out, and made it increasingly difficult for the police to enter and monitor the projects. Later, fundamentalist Islamic brotherhoods asserted themselves in the projects, or cités, as they are called.
France/ The green flag of revolt Another French Revolution? The suburban rioters and their admirers--on the right and the left

The atmosphere was strangely festive. Behind the reinforced steel and glass of the Eurostar terminal, new arrivals from London were ushered into Paris by soldiers with machine guns – the glittering capital of Europe now apparently a war zone. They looked on the scene with horror. But it was exhilarating to watch kids hopping over metro barriers, smoking weed and shouting, walking wherever they wanted, disobeying every single one of the tight rules that normally control access to the station. It was also frightening, because these kids could now hurt you whenever they wanted. They had abolished all the rules, including the rule of law.

The rioters at the Gare du Nord or in the banlieues also often describe themselves as soldiers in a "long war' against France and Europe. The so-called "French intifada", the guerrilla war with police at the edges and in the heart of French cities, is only the latest and most dramatic form of engagement with the enemy. In November 2005, 18 months before the riot in the Gare du Nord, the tensions in the banlieues had already spilled over into violence and, for one spectacular moment, threatened to bring down the French government. The catalyst was a series of confrontations between immigrant youth and the police in the Parisian banlieue of Clichy-sous-Bois. As the fighting between police and the banlieusards intensified, riots broke out in major cities across France. This was when the term "French intifada" was first widely used by the media and by the rioters themselves.

the above quote come from here, The Observer The French Intifada: how the Arab banlieues are fighting the French state warning it use some language.

these are but a few of the articles about no go zones called the ZUS and ZSP, if you search you can find more from the past, you just have to muddle through all of the recent reports about fox first. also if you do a video search, you can find many non U.S. news reports, that actually show you these places.

now before anyone starts calling me a islamophobe, or racist or any crap such as that. the purpose of this post, is to show that indeed in france by french people, and reporters from other countries, did call these places No Go Zones before the fox report. just look at the dates.