What do you hold more dear: Truth or Friendship?

originally posted by: Unity_99
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Truth to many is: fundamental religions. fossil fuels based on materialism in physics and their big bang ideologies. economic and political and religious models. starvation and homelessness, and abuse of citizens, women and children and the world as a consequence. Many people will throw real flesh and blood humans to the side to sit comfortably in their ISMs.

Oh I do agree people can be manipulated into believing anything is true.... but there is no escaping cold hard facts.

Nothing Trumps the Truth!

Korg.

The more you know of objective truth the less people will be able to handle what you know. But those that can will be able to make a better connection.

Like always Quantity of people connecting or quality of people connecting. You can have people that you are lower level connecting and others that you connect deeper over and interest or common discovery of "what is"/"nature of reality".

The ones that are very caught up in the matrix will not listen to things that do not confirm the programming that they have taken as part of their self image be it religion/propaganda/social structure.

originally posted by: Unity_99
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Truth to many is: fundamental religions. fossil fuels based on materialism in physics and their big bang ideologies. economic and political and religious models. starvation and homelessness, and abuse of citizens, women and children and the world as a consequence. Many people will throw real flesh and blood humans to the side to sit comfortably in their ISMs.

But that just proves that the search for objective truth is hard to do surrounded by people who do not question their own views and weigh them logically.

without friendly company, the truth can be as inviting as a haunted mansion. but without truth, i find it difficult to say there are any friends at all.

Truth.

Anything less leads to confusion, betrayal, and, finally, the loss of the unconditional trust a true and real friendship, for me anyway, is based on.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
without friendly company, the truth can be as inviting as a haunted mansion. but without truth, i find it difficult to say there are any friends at all.

absolutely

I can be honest to a fault. I have lost friends because I was honest with them.
"Does this dress make me look fat?"
"No, but your big ass does."
If I find that someone is dishonest with me I drop them like a hot potato.
I have plenty of friends who are complete a-holes, but they shoot straight with their words. I appreciate that quality.

I think any friend of mine would have to at least be a seeker of truth, of course no one ever really finds it.

But truth is different for each person. To me, truth is the philosophical journey that a sentient thinking being travels along. It never begins or ends and is constantly changing.

The people who have no personal philosophical questions or who have the inability to think in ways that expand their own personal space between the ears are the people that I really don't get along with well. Even if I don't agree with someone on every point, if they at least are trying to understand things and the world around them then at least that's something. At least we can talk.

originally posted by: skunkape23
I can be honest to a fault. I have lost friends because I was honest with them.
"Does this dress make me look fat?"
"No, but your big ass does."
If I find that someone is dishonest with me I drop them like a hot potato.
I have plenty of friends who are complete a-holes, but they shoot straight with their words. I appreciate that quality.

Absolutely!

Always tell the hardest truth first!



Peace,

Korg.

You have to discover your beliefs and you have to hold to them and re-examine them in order to help fully realize your self. Part of that process demands that you feel able to tell the truth and be honest. If your friends do not allow you to tell the truth, then you either do not have beliefs worth the name or your friends aren't maybe the friends you thought they were.

A friendship is built on Truth. I don't think you can successfully have one without the other.

The friendship built on non-truths crumbles like a stack of pickup sticks. If you have built the friendship on non-truths, there comes a time when you have to clean up and pull out one or two or three of those pickup sticks (lies) and then everything comes crashing and tumbling down.

leolady

a reply to: Dark Ghost

There is the ability to discern the truth, and then, there is the aptitude to speak truthfully. I value truth, although, I do put on a bit of a farce when it comes to socialising. When I am being truthful, I am being myself, and my good friends are my friends because they happen to like who I really am, and can see that when I am not myself, it is not really what I intend, more of a "defense mechanism". These are friends that I have had for close to a decade that have remained with me. I see friendship as being on an equal level with somebody, at that level, each person is an equal in the others eyes, and in this world, people whom treat us equally are almost instant friends. Truth is an equaliser as well - friends are generally honest with each other.

a reply to: Dark Ghost

What do you hold more dear: Truth or Friendship?

Well if you read my signature live you'll understand everything about "Truth' in this world.

And friendship, loyalty, and trust are all based on truth.

Is truth more dear?, well it's the foundation of a friendship, because we wouldn't want friendships based on lies and deceit.


Peace,

RT

a reply to: Dark Ghost


Truth,

Above all, til the end.

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: Dark Ghost

What do you hold more dear: Truth or Friendship?

Well if you read my signature live you'll understand everything about "Truth' in this world.

And friendship, loyalty, and trust are all based on truth.

Is truth more dear?, well it's the foundation of a friendship, because we wouldn't want friendships based on lies and deceit.


Peace,

RT

There is a difference between appearing to be, and being.

Korg.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

There is a difference between appearing to be, and being.

Korg.

And what is that?

Again the truth is subjective and ever changing in the world.

One persons truth is another's lie. People see what they think or want to believe is the truth, and the truth in this world is many times idealistic.

Friendships, relationships, marriages fall apart on the disagreement of truths, or the ideals of truth.

Some people can't handle the truth, yet other's can.

Some people can't handle lies, yet other's can.

The truth seems to have degrees of "Being" in this world.

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

There is a difference between appearing to be, and being.

Korg.

And what is that?

If I were to teach a child from being very young that the 2+2=3 he would believe it to be true..... Does that then mean it is true?

Korg.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity


If I were to teach a child from being very young that the 2+2=3 he would believe it to be true..... Does that then mean it is true?

Korg.

You are agreeing with my original point.

The truth is "Subjective"

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: Korg Trinity


If I were to teach a child from being very young that the 2+2=3 he would believe it to be true..... Does that then mean it is true?

Korg.

You are agreeing with my original point.

The truth is "Subjective"

No.... it appears you are having a cognitive issue.

Subjective truth is that which one believes to be true.

Were as actual truth is that which is undeniably true, based upon cold hard facts.

Korg.

"Cold hard facts" are a compilation of subjective and objective truths

The only thing that is absolute is numbers, so maybe your example would be the truth, but with anything else it's subjective.

Words can be twisted, formal logic proves this; and is the means to which politicians and lawyers are able to twist facts and make them appear to be truth.

The only thing that is absolute fact in our world is numbers, everything else is subjective.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

No.... it appears you are having a cognitive issue.

Subjective truth is that which one believes to be true.

Were as actual truth is that which is undeniably true, based upon cold hard facts.

Korg.