RISE OH YE NATIONS! Repent!

a reply to: undo

Adam got his punishment just as Eve did.

They wanted to procreate.. I showed you where that decision, to procreate instead of simply BE the creation, caused death to come,

Why do you want to derail this entire thread to be about Adam and Eve when this is a thread for Christians speaking to repentance?

a reply to: AK907ICECOLD

How did what I say in the OP is different? Please explain.. because I simply said this is for all of us as Christians, and this is how it worked for me and what God said to me..

I had to recently also, because there was something that I had kept back and not given up of this world, and this HE required of me also.

I also didn't write the thread for non-christians, and that is clear in the OP.

We who were called out of the world to be Children of God

If you were not called OUT of this world to be a child of God then you can be sure I was not speaking to you...

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: undo

Adam got his punishment just as Eve did.

They wanted to procreate.. I showed you where that decision, to procreate instead of simply BE the creation, caused death to come,

Why do you want to derail this entire thread to be about Adam and Eve when this is a thread for Christians speaking to repentance?

oh, sorry, i was just responding to other posters. i'm gonna have to backtrack now to where you "showed me" where that decision caused death to come (Even though the earlier text that told them to multiply seems to have come first. my question would then be, when did it go from being okay to not being okay).

perhaps one of the reasons i'm here raising all these questions is because they need to be addressed.

the verses regarding women in the church that i was referring to, are not the head covering verses. rather the ones where paul says he doesn't let women speak in the church because of eve. no, i'm not kidding you. paul brought some old testament stuff into jesus' teachings that were perhaps, not necessary. ya know? i mean, he was a man afterall and subject to his own choices on subjects.

nvm.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: undo

I linked to another thread... told you that you would enjoy it...

Apparently your only intent, however, was the derailment of this thread. It doesn't matter.. derail away I suppose.. its something you are happy doing... the message to Christians is on page one in the OP for them..

i apologized because i didn't realize you viewed it as derailing your thread till you said so a couple posts ago. : /
gotta understand i study this stuff all the time and am nearly 60 years old so i have years and years of stuff floating around in my head. when i see someone "on fire" for the lord, i like to plug in and also share. it's not an attack, however. it's more of a ....woo look there, more to study than the sunday school guide.

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.James 5:16

I dont have any disagreement with this, but this is not the same as confessing our sins to God. Confessing our sins to each other lets each other know that we are all in the same boat, but confessing to God cleanses us of unrighteousness, and no "ordained priest" is needed for that.

James uses "exomologeisthe" for 'confess' or 'agree', whereas 1 John 1:9 uses "homologomen", which really means 'repeat', as in 'legal citation' of a violation.

James is telling us to admit to eachother that we are sinners and to pray for each other, but that doesnt mean we have to go into detail. That is personal choice. John commands us to verbally repeat to the Lord our sins, just as the Jews did to the priests. There is a world of difference between the two passages.

a reply to: undo

This is my third day of not having a cigarette - and this day God said tell this all to the people. I am doing my best.

The thread speaks on repentance for the Christian, and for the Christian to show Christ to others rather than bad behavior..

when I say "bad behavior" I mean things like the youtube video of the quack preacher who bragged about punching that kid.. that is BAD behavior, which for some who are calling themselves Christian while steeped in sin somehow translates in their minds to good..

The Church corrects the Church.. Not those who are outside of it.. repentance is for any who want Christ, and is for especially also for those who would call themselves Christian. Hence why, with God's leading, I made the thread.

This thread was for edification of other Christians. I did make that abundantly clear and for that reason, the church edifies the church and supports and encourages one another to good. This is what I was doing in the OP.

I could not have made it any clearer really. And no I am not upset with you.. just wanting a smoke right this second.

I am still unclear why it makes ever single atheist mad that I made a thread to encourage other christians to do good..but apparently anything with God at the center seems to annoy all atheists everywhere..

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: OpinionatedB

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.James 5:16

I dont have any disagreement with this, but this is not the same as confessing our sins to God. Confessing our sins to each other lets each other know that we are all in the same boat, but confessing to God cleanses us of unrighteousness, and no "ordained priest" is needed for that.

James uses "exomologeisthe" for 'confess' or 'agree', whereas 1 John 1:9 uses "homologomen", which really means 'repeat', as in 'legal citation' of a violation.

James is telling us to admit to eachother that we are sinners and to pray for each other, but that doesnt mean we have to go into detail. That is personal choice. John commands us to verbally repeat to the Lord our sins, just as the Jews did to the priests. There is a world of difference between the two passages.

God knows our sins.. HE is the one who tells us to stop doing them! Its not like HE doesn't know.. but yes, we discuss them at length with HIM too, in private.

But this is not what I did in the OP, I followed the teaching from James - just as GOD directed me to.

Did you have anything you would like to add that is good or that can also edify?

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.James 5:16

I also wanted to add, that James 5:16 is about getting along with our brothers and sisters in Christ. If we wrong eachother, then we should admit it and apologize, lest you cause your fellow believer to stumble by tempting them to withhold forgiveness. So sins involving multiple parties should be acknowledged between the parties involved, but first, you are responsible for 'citing' your sin to the Father.

But, also understand, that by confessing your private sins to the public, you maybe tempting others to judge you. By doing that, you sin by causing another to stumble.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

by telling everyone that I quit smoking I entice people to sin?

lol...

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

by telling everyone that I quit smoking I entice people to sin?

lol...

i think it's great. no problem here! and congrats!

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

by telling everyone that I quit smoking I entice people to sin?

lol...

No, thats not what I mean. I think its encouraging that you stopped smoking.

Hypothetical situation:
If I were a woman who just had an abortion, its probably a bad idea to confess that before a congregation. While the more mature believers understand that it is wrong to judge and with hold forgiveness, the less matured believers may be tempted to judge, gossip and slander your character. By tempting another to sin, you sin too. Therefore, it is at your disgression, what you want to make public.

On the other hand, 1John 1:9 is a command for believers to confess all known sins directly to God. Even though God knows our sins, it is part of our priesthood. Since all believers are Believer-Priests, we must confess our sins for legal reasons. God uses our confessions in heaven to show Satan that our sins were judged on the cross. That way, when Satan whines and screams about how horrible we are, God reminds him that we are blameless through Christ.

A believer who does not actively confess their sins to God remains in a spiritual coma. This is why the American church is falling apart.

Without 1John 1:9, there is no repentance in the Christian life. It should always be step 1 for believers.

To my sister in Christ, Israel, a beautiful post, I agree with every word. The Spirit that now dwells in you really shined through in your text. Praise The Lord.

The Mystical Body of Christ is His Church. When any one of us sins, we harm the entire Body of Christ. It only requires ONE cell in the human body to contract cancer. The entire body can eventually develop cancer...and that cancer can kill. And it All started in one microscopic cell. We strengthen Christ's Church by strengthening each other to grow in holiness daily. Prayer, fasting, confession to a validly ordained priest, forgiveness and repentance is Christian-chemotherapy, to rid the Body of sin.

A beautiful prayer I say daily...The Confiteor.

I confess to Almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have greatly sinned.
In my thoughts, and in my words, in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do.
Through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault.
Therefore, I ask Blessed Mary, ever-virgin, All the Angels and Saints, and you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me, to The Lord, our God. Amen
(+, sign of the cross)





a reply to: OpinionatedB

I'll poke you with Mat:16 and 18 yet again. But you'll just ignore it, like all the other scripture that doesn't fit your preconceived notions.

"Whatever you bind (that is, impose a penance) on earth will be bound in heaven, whatever you loose (that is, forgive the sin in God's name) on earth will be loosed in heaven". Who is He speaking to? Cephas, Peter, Saint Peter. Validly ordained priests, who are "persona Christi", do this in the confessional.

For good measure Jesus gives us another one, plain as day. "Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, whose sins you retain are retained" (Jn 20:23).

This sacrament of Reconciliation (confession), is firmly grounded in Scripture, and in early, constant Christian Tradition.

(James 20:23). When sick, believers were to call the presbyters (validly ordained priests). If we are all "priests", in the sense you use it, why use the word presbyter? We are all priests, prophets and kings, but you my friend, are not a presbyter.

Are you married? Do you confess your transgressions to your spouses' face? Or do you just close your eyes, and send a wicked strong vibe to her and hope she gets it? You are truly sorry, when you have the guts and humility to say it to his/her face. Same idea brother.

And thanks for bringing up 1Jn 1:9. "Acknowledge" you sin. SAY them, verbalize them. Just as is said in the verse before and the verse after. "Say" the words, "ASK" forgiveness. Well, Christ isn't here, in the flesh, walking the earth now. So, who do we "say" our sins to? The wall?

Christ knew he would die, be raised, then ascend....he was going to leave us. That's why he established His Church with Peter. The Catholic Church is the church established to GUARD the deposit if the faith, and through the apostolic succession up to the validly ordained Catholic priests of today. The priest is in "persona Christi". I didn't make this up, Jesus did.


a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

a reply to: OpinionatedB

I dont mean to derail your thread, and Im not saying you did anything wrong. I find your thread stimulating. Im simply trying to contribute an often overlooked point.

1.2 Billion Catholics are very clear on this point, and we've been clear on it for 2000 years. Your contribution is peripheral. It's fringe, it's your interpretation. It's not Church teaching. On whose authority do you base your views? It's your own, isn't it?

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

a reply to: Ignatian

To prevent thread drift, I will create a new thread to address your points. Ill PM you when its ready.

For those interested in debating the Universal Priesthood of the Church Age versus the Catholic Priesthood by ordination, the discussion can be found here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: undo

Since you like talking about sex so much, those links above will interest you as well.. because when man procreates there is something man cannot give.

It is funny, men always tend to think of the natural and the flesh and the first thing they immediately jump to is sex. See, that is the difference, the CARNAL mind thinks of carnal things, but the spiritual mind thinks of spiritual things. The next time someone thinks of sex, remember that they are carnally minded and the carnal mind knows nothing about God.

Romans 8:7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

That's why people reject the idea of repentance, because they are carnally minded, or thinking in the fleshly mind. Jesus said when He came out of the wilderness "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand". Remember that in the desert as He was fasting, Satan offered Him three things that would satisfy the flesh...

1: Turn these stones into bread.
2: Jump off the cliff and the angels would save Him
3: Bow down and worship Satan and Satan would give Him kingdoms and wealth.

All three of these things are what the carnal minded man desires. It's all spelled out in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. He got it right, amazing.

Once people achieve the ability to find themselves shelter, food and other necessities, they desire more things until the ultimate in the way the carnal mind thinks is that they can become whatever they want and have power. And power is what the carnal mind desires. They believe themselves above the laws of God, because they have self-actualized themselves into a scheme of greatness. Only the carnal mind believes themselves great.

Jesus responded "Get thee behind me"

1: Man does not live by bread alone but by every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God.
2: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
3: Thou shalt worship God and God only.

That's why so many of these men on these threads immediately think of sex, because they are carnally minded and reject the laws of God that limit them on whom they can have sex with and how often, knowing that when they fall into the idea of sexual gratification, it becomes like anything else, they become desensitized and need more and more to feel like they have gotten that first level thinking it is the most important level.

If they can't get past thinking about sex, they will never think about the truth of God and they begin worshiping their own bodies by inviting the inevitable consequences that arise, at the same time making their own lusts the ruler of their lives.

Just an encouraging word this morning. I was needing some encouragement and this is something God has shown me for a second time, and it is nice so I will share it.

This is not in order, because the bible I have is very old - it was given to me by someone - and it is missing some pages.. so I am just going to write it like I see it here.

Blessed is the man whom God corrects. So do not despise the discipline of the Almighty. For HE wounds, but HE also binds up; he injures, but HIS hands also heals. From 6 calamities HE will rescue you, in 7 no harm will befall you. In famine He will rescue you from death and in battle from the stroke of the sword. You will be protected from the lash of the tongue and need not fear when destruction comes. You will laugh at destruction and famine and need not fear the beasts of the earth for you will have a covenant with the stones of the field and the wild beasts of the earth will be at peace with you. You will know your tent is secure. You will take stock of your property and find nothing missing.

HE has told me twice now this is for me.. my husband and I do find a bit of irony is the last bit, the taking stock of our property, since we really have none, we both found that amusing.. but it does simplify matters!

Anyway, it was an encouragement to me from the Lord this morning so I thought to share it with all of you..