Democrats' Plan Would Benefit Middle Class, Target Rich

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Thanks. I don't know much about those countries but will do some research. Like, would I want my family, especially the girls to live there.

Wow. Do take note that many of those countries are Arabic, or Islanders. Think I'll just hang around here and pay my taxes like everybody else. I personally believe I get much in return for them.

Of course if you are approaching billionaire status, like Mitt Romney and those folks, you can do as they do, and plant your money in the Cayman's, or Switzerland or somewhere to avoid it.

You're welcome!

originally posted by: Emeraldous
I would like to apologize for hurting everything whether knowingly and unknowingly to me and everything. I am a child
ladyinwaiting I

look I am bipolar and in my mind I am supposedly fixing everything just to come to realize that it was me that made the mess in the first place.

originally posted by: Emeraldous
I would like to apologize for hurting everything whether knowingly and unknowingly to me and everything. I am a child
ladyinwaiting I

Sweetie! You are a child? Well then, a good one at that, and probably not one who owes apologies to me, or the government, or any big bad entity.

You are in a place in life where you are learning, learning, and more learning! Just be careful on this site. Lots of smart people on here, but almost many people with some pretty far-out, twisted ideas about many different topics, so - learn, but also be very careful about what you believe. Anything you have questions about that you read on ATS, it's best to go to your parents with those.

My best to you Emeraldous! I will (hopefully) remember you the next time I see you on the boards!

liw

yeah I know elaborate. So in my mind there is this world full of problems that I grew up in, I observe blah blah blah later I fix it with my super mind mind and right at the end I realize that the world I created in my head
1. hurt a lot of people
2. I have to apologize
3 ?
Why isn't this world simple? because I am complicated
et cetera
so I am a poser that made a world bad to look good in the end by fixing it.
pos·er1
ˈpōzər/Submit
noun
a person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others.
synonyms: exhibitionist, poseur, posturer, fake; informalshow-off
"he's such a poser"

originally posted by: Emeraldous

yeah I know elaborate. So in my mind there is this world full of problems that I grew up in, I observe blah blah blah later I fix it with my super mind mind and right at the end I realize that the world I created in my head
1. hurt a lot of people
2. I have to apologize

Creating and fixing things "in your mind", is simply exploring ideas. It's a must. Everything that is done, or has been done that is worth-while started with ideas. Remember Einstein engaged in "thought experiments". I do them too, nothing huge like he did of course, but I've come up with some pretty good ideas in my life, thus far.

Why isn't this world simple? because I am complicated
et cetera

Nonsense. The world is what it is. It's complicated, and it always has been, and getting moreso every day. Your job is learn to wheel and deal in it, and change the things you able to, and learn to navigate in the rest. (At least that's what I try to do.)

so I am a poser that made a world bad to look good in the end by fixing it.
pos·er1
ˈpōzər/Submit
noun
a person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others.
synonyms: exhibitionist, poseur, posturer, fake; informalshow-off
"he's such a poser"

So you want to be a superhero? Sigh. Don't we all? I'd love to be the one to save the world! But sadly, I don't know how.

Either the site, or myself is having issues today. Tried to make repairs in the above codes, but no cigar.
.... Hope it makes sense.

Ah, just looked over your introduction, and see you are not a young child. Didn't mean to sound condescending.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

So you want to be a superhero? Sigh.

I am telling you I am a poser, in my head of course. Anyway its all a Giordano Bruno /slash/ Ender's Game

"thought experiments"

a reply to: TheArrow

Not true.

My house is worth just what I paid for it.. It's worth one house. However, inflation has my house worth about 4 times what I paid for it. So, If I sell my house, pay 95% capitol gain tax, I couldn't even afford to buy it back

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I am a grandmother and have never traveled out of US. Went to Canada once. For all its problems, I could not imagine living anywhere else where the vastness and rivers and oceans and mountains are all around. Of course, I live in a low populated part of US. That is the only problem, the greed and violence that seems to be taking over. If our civilization fall, I don't think I would want to be around. For one, you think gangs are violent, just imagine sociopaths being turned out of the prisons by the hundreds.

I think games and movies have romanticized anarchism and survival of the fittest.

All that needs to be done is one penny per trade.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

The Democrats always come out with their ideas as soon as they can't pass them. When they have a super majority and could pass anything they didn't accomplish anything other than Obamacare.

I don't have a problem with this measure, but I believe its all for show. I'm not confident the Democrats want the middle class to grow, otherwise they would have done more for them quicker.

a reply to: ketsuko

30 percent for all that have no tax shelter as it is. If all people had to pay that much (including the wealthy) we wouldnt have the trillions of debt we have me thinks.

a reply to: Tardacus

But yet we still wont let a third party be legit in an election. Go figure. We want to get screwed. Apparently we love getting boned.

I didn't do the math, but I am curious how much of the 'help' is to get people off of Obamacare subsidies so they would have to pay the full amount. That sounds like a plan from the 'equality book' that the democrats use. Make something sound nice, if you are against it, you have to be some type of racist/sexist/homophob and when it gets implemented, it's the total opposite of what's promised. Sounds like a plan that will make the middle class into working poor.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting Texas is bigger than some of these countries. Texas has no state income tax as well. Five of the countries you mention derive their income from the tourist business. Four of those countries base their income on oil exportation.

Maybe this will give people the opportunity to gain back a little cash stolen by the Wallstreet thieves. I never had a 401-K, but I know many who had theirs wiped out in 2008. I suffered enough without a 401-K. Tried my hand in the stock market. It was amputated.

LOL I love this lie. No, their 401k was not wiped out in 2008 (the market didn't even bottom until march of 2009). In fact, $100k in the S&P highs before the crash is now $166K.

Lest you be confused because you know nothing about the markets:
in 2008 if you had 100k at the high you would have had roughly 819 shares of the S&P 500
in 2009, at the low, your 100k would be worth $51k
Unless you sold everything at the low (moron ) you didn't lose money.
In 2010 at the high your $100k would have been worth 95k
Today your 100k would be worth $166k.

a reply to: Dfairlite

It has caused my jaw to drop to the floor with the difference between reality and your fantasy of reality.

You couldn't be more wrong. What country do you live in, and were you alive in 2008?

You have really pushed my buttons this morning.; I lost a #load of money in 2008, and you are here to tell me it didn't happen?
Or to call me a moron?

Please just go away.

There's that socialist financial transaction fee again, rearing it's despicably ugly monstrous head. This is like the many-headed hydra Hercules had to slay in his 12 Labours.
Anyway, Richard Trumka was hobnobbing around with European socialists pushing this thing back in 2010. I remember it well, it was in the news. These guys never stop robbing us while convincing us it's for our own good. Totalitarianism at it's best, or worst depending on how you look at it.

As usual Glenn was right and ahead of the curve www.glennbeck.com...

VOICE: The AFL CIO has been working with Americans For Financial Reform. Now, we’re very pleased that Paul has organized Europeans for financial reform which shares common principles with Americans For Financial Reform, including regulate speculative funds such as hedge funds and private equity funds, create a financial speculation tax or a financial transaction tax or a Robinhood tax, however you wish to refer to it.
VOICE: This is one of the most progressive people in the United States of America. I’m so proud to be declaring myself and defining myself as one of your friends.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: It is good to spend my birthday with

PAT: Here’s Obama spending time with his friend.

VOICE: And I want to devote to you, on behalf of all these progressives here, Richard, a decisiveness for change. Which means, of course, that this financial transaction tax is a very, very important one for us. It’s not only about money. It’s about ensuring our future, a better future than the one we have.

VOICE: I would say that I totally agree with you that it is possible for us to get a financial tax around the world.

GLENN: That is fantastic.

PAT: Totally possible for us to get a financial tax around the world. I don’t know how that’s possible when it’s unconstitutional. How would you, how would you do that?

GLENN: I would just fold it into our financial regulation bill that nobody read.

PAT: Is that all you’d do?

GLENN: That’s all I’d do.

PAT: So you wouldn’t pass a new law.

GLENN: That’s all I’d do. I would just call myself a progressive instead of a socialist because

PAT: I see.

GLENN: That way people don’t really know what I’m doing. And I would try to, you know, try to keep the videotape of me at a minimum where I am talking to spooky German or Austrian dudes who are indeed socialists and they all say things like they are very happy and we just want this all to come together as one world. You know what I’m saying? Ya? And then they smoke that little strange little cigarette? I think we all know what they are saying. Okay. Night night now.

PAT: That’s how you would do it?

GLENN: That’s how I would do it.

PAT: Why wouldn’t you just come out and tell the American people what your goal and your aim and your

GLENN: Well, because

PAT: Your end result would be?

GLENN: Because I don’t think it makes a good, I don’t think it makes a good movie. Someday when the movie is being told.
PAT: I agree. That adds spookiness.

GLENN: Or, or it could be not about the movie. It could be just that they know that Americans and their own union members would reject. I’d like to the AFL CIO, union members, AFL CIO, how are you feeling about Richard Trumka hanging out with spooky European socialist dude smoking cigarettes? Yeah? And talking about a global tax for global socialism? I know, I know. I know so many great union members that are so un American, you know? They usually are. They are not the guys with the hard hats, and the American flag on them. No, no, no. These guys are more of a new world order kind of class of people. And I’m sure the union members see Trumka there next to global socialists talking about a new world order and they say, "Ya, ya, Fritz, you forgot your hard hat, ya?"

So that's what it is, the NWO disguised as European Socialism disguised as a way to help the middle class.

You have really pushed my buttons this morning.; I lost a #load of money in 2008, and you are here to tell me it didn't happen?

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

It did happen but it looks like you are inviting the same people to come and rob you and ME some more. Unless you are a hard core socialist, you may have misunderstood what the financial transaction tax is for.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: MOMof3

I think you've answered your own question. The U.S. is very complex and we've developed a very costly lifestyle and society. Without taxes it would essentially cease to exist.

That is incorrect. The Federal Governments funding was to come from Trade Tariffs and Taxation off of Corporations.

You do away with EVERY FREE TRADE Agreement (NATFA, GAT, TPP ALL OF THEM, tax all imports into this country like they are supposed to do (the tariffs were in place to ensure the generation of American business as well as to protect them. This also protected the American worker, to ensure that foreign companies would not destabilize the industries of the USA.

Those were the ways the Federal Government paid the bills, and they had to stay with in that constraints because they couldn't just up the tax rate.