I'd Like To See Your Debunker Credentials, Please.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

You, yes You! Listen up! I remember years ago talking to a client of ours who is a top engineer in the aerospace industry about water on mars. He said that there was no way there was water on Mars and spouted all the current findings of that time. I said that it was clear there was ice on the poles of Mars, he said it wasn't ice made of water. I said it probably was water based due to Mar's close proximity to Earth. That the two planets probably shared some characteristics. He, with all his credentials said no, not so, smirk, laugh, isn't she cute, pat her on the head.

Well, I was right, he was wrong. If someone says to you that a rock is a relic don't be so fast to discount it, you will be soooo embarrassed when a future "new" discovery on Mars is announced. My guess is it will be, "Relics Found on Mars".

STM

originally posted by: seentoomuch
a reply to: Ectoplasm8

You, yes You! Listen up! I remember years ago talking to a client of ours who is a top engineer in the aerospace industry about water on mars. He said that there was no way there was water on Mars and spouted all the current findings of that time. I said that it was clear there was ice on the poles of Mars, he said it wasn't ice made of water. I said it probably was water based due to Mar's close proximity to Earth. That the two planets probably shared some characteristics. He, with all his credentials said no, not so, smirk, laugh, isn't she cute, pat her on the head.

Well, I was right, he was wrong. If someone says to you that a rock is a relic don't be so fast to discount it, you will be soooo embarrassed when a future "new" discovery on Mars is announced. My guess is it will be, "Relics Found on Mars".

STM

Well I guess that proves it. I wasn't aware of this new evidence. Thank you for saving me future embarrassment.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
a reply to: amazing

and if you search the Mars Anomaly threads you will see countless posts of simply "Rocks" or a long explanation of Perodilia -I didn't spell that right.

That's because of every Mars photo ever posted turns out to be a product of pareidolia. Where do you draw an equal 50% possibility of it being alien created if every photo has been shown to be a rock? The default answer is a rock unless there is overwhelming evidence to say otherwise. And that overwhelming evidence goes beyond "HEY, that looks like a squirrel!"

In order to give a serious 50% possibility of anything alien to any branch of this phenomena, there needs to be a past foundational basis for that 50% if the incident itself doesn't provide that evidence. One tiny smidgen of scientifically studied and scrutinized physical evidence in the 60+ year history and thousands upon thousands of claims is all it takes. That one past piece opens the door for a realistic and equal possibility to all of these other claims.

I do agree with you to an extent. However, just like I can never claim that some anomaly on Mars is definitely a fossil or artificial construction, you can't claim the opposite. I'm not saying that most things posted on ATS with claims like Gun found, Rat found, bigfoot found aren't over the top. They Are. If you research my post history, you'll never ever see me claim such a thing. Again, all we have is photos, so when something looks artificial or anomalas or interesting, we should take a closer look.

Common sense tells me that it is possible that life could have evolved in the billions of years in the history of mars, especially with evidence of past water, past oceans, methane and past atmosphere and the compelling cases of meteorites from Mars that could have evidence of past life. It's quite possible that Mars had past advanced life. No proof of course, but the only way to find out is to scan every image we have to see.

We'll never know for sure until we get feet on the ground.

originally posted by: seentoomuch
a reply to: Ectoplasm8

You, yes You! Listen up! I remember years ago talking to a client of ours who is a top engineer in the aerospace industry about water on mars. He said that there was no way there was water on Mars and spouted all the current findings of that time. I said that it was clear there was ice on the poles of Mars, he said it wasn't ice made of water. I said it probably was water based due to Mar's close proximity to Earth. That the two planets probably shared some characteristics. He, with all his credentials said no, not so, smirk, laugh, isn't she cute, pat her on the head.

Well, I was right, he was wrong. If someone says to you that a rock is a relic don't be so fast to discount it, you will be soooo embarrassed when a future "new" discovery on Mars is announced. My guess is it will be, "Relics Found on Mars".

STM

Do you think finding water on a planet is comparable to finding statues built by intelligent alien beings? Do you understand the differences in the path that each have to take? How extremely difficult the evolution of high intelligence would be in comparison to the development of water? You're swinging the pendulum to the ridiculous side with that comparison to make a point.

You can't give an equal 50% possibility to an object on Mars being built by aliens when it's been shown over and over they're rocks. Is it possible? Sure, no one has said it's impossible. Is it probable? No, it's been shown it's not probable by the examples alone. That's not even taking into account with this argument having no absolute evidence of anything alien ever in the history of this phenomena. The "evidence" itself in this case negates the large 50% possibility.

originally posted by: amazing
Common sense tells me that it is possible that life could have evolved in the billions of years in the history of mars, especially with evidence of past water.

Sure life could have evolved. But how long did intelligent life take to evolve on Earth? And how long did Mars have a viable ecosystem where intelligent life could have possibly evolved? How much shorter was that compared to the time it took on Earth? You need to figure in these facts into your probability estimates, and when you do, you should find the probability goes way down, not to a level of impossibility, but to a level which is far less likely to duplicate what happened on Earth due to the shorter times involved.

a reply to: AnuTyr

Have you written a thread about your experiences regarding aliens? I am much interested by such reports.