Obama to propose 2 free years of community college

a reply to: onequestion

The majority of them are morons who need cellphones to tell them which way is left. Our grandparents would take everyone in my generation and smack the hell out of us.

I blame politicians as much as the gullible, uninformed masses who pay more attention to overpaid celebrities than the loss of their rights.

a reply to: Tardacus
I know they got it all wrong. Education does not create jobs, its the other way around more often then not, and we just do not have that. In fact the whole thing is they started to emulate the whole "schooling" process of the elite from way back in the dark ages to now. But for them it was just a family business, the only schooling they went to was to teach them on the impotence of keeping the serfs in line, it was basically expensive baby sitting and teaching the rulers on why ignorance and keeping to the family business is important.

And from there we came to here, and along the way we had once in a while some people who created something or invented something depending on the need and well, the market for its availability. Education does not necessarily create anything, much less jobs, and most especially not in our society and culture. And were it does it would work under any other system, and its almost done by accident. It will not work because it was created for a small group and only for certain purposes, ie heard management and human resources enslavement. You can not apply it to everything, that's just silly.

Even more silly then monty python, but monty python was much wiser. But being wise does not pays the bills.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

here's something in the op that i'm surprised no one picked up on.

free for everybody who’s willing to work for it

now maybe their talking about working for a degree. i kinda doubt that. everybody knows that there is nothing free in life.
it costs you somewhere, somehow.

could it be that they will require people to sign up for FEMA Corps, or AmeriCorp. can't get the volunteer they need or want so offer free education for so many years service.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I would imagine that he intends to bolster the Work/Study programs that are already in place.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Maybe that youth force he brought up in the past?

Want free education? Join us! Steak? Bling? Compensation through material wealth and your name on a metal plate? Sign up baby!

This is not good at all, watch it fail, then he'll start complaining that "there's people who don't want this country to advance, to prosper, to carry on the tradition of freedom......" while he points in the opposite direction.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Jonjonj
I dont get it. Is investing in children a bad thing now?
a reply to: onequestion

For one thing, you get what you pay for. If your education is free, then that's about the quality you can expect from it. See inner city schools for a good example and we waste over $10,000/year/student in many of those districts. If I had the amount of money our inner city school district spends per year on a child as a voucher, I could send my son to one of the three best private schools in the city with only about another thousand out of pocket per year myself. You tell me that my son would get anywhere near just $1,000 dollars less in the quality of education from the inner city schools. If he actually would, I might send him there because Barstow and Pembroke Hill are quite excellent private academies.

Heck the amount DC public schools spend per child is only a couple thousand less then the tuition for Sidwell Friends where the Obamas and all the other Washington Elite send their kids.

But out free public education obviously has some HUGE problems because it really isn't delivering, not even close.

This reminds me of the effects of hazing, "I got hazed in my youth so now you don't want to be hazed??? Status Quo and no changes Bah Humbug!"

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rickymouse

And the online providers say, "Well who is our buyer again? Oh, that's right, government. Jack up those rates, baby! It's an unlimited gravy train because they have bottomless pockets."

This is more or less what has happened at state 4-year schools. As soon as government made it "affordable" for everyone with loans and grants, the colleges took advantage with endless tuition rate hikes. Who cares if you can personally afford it? Uncle Sam'll pick up your tab.

They'd do the same online, too.

Well, this I completely agree with because that is what seems to happen. I cannot even start to debate this with you because you are seeing what will happen. The problem is that no matter what happens, the colleges will try to get a bigger piece of the pie. Soon people will be required to have a four year degree to work stocking shelves in a grocery store.

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: xuenchen

a reply to: windword

California Spends Six Times More On Prison Inmates Than On College Students

That's because college students don't pose any threats to society.

Oh yes they do, that's why you don't want to spend money making them.

I THINK I saw what you did there if I interpreted it properly

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I would imagine that he intends to bolster the Work/Study programs that are already in place.

It's just about maintaining grades and showing up I think.



It will make paupers out of the failures and lax.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I did pick up on it. I said if they were willing to work for it, we wouldn't be having to pay for it.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie

free for everybody who’s willing to work for it

I think that's just an oxymoron used by Obama.

He spells "work" like k-r-o-w



krow.com

a reply to: rickymouse

Yep and jobs that actually mean something will require grad level work just to hope to open the door.

a reply to: onequestion

While that's true, and while I was fortunate enough to find work while keeping my health to pay for college.

I think I've had a change of heart. I wouldn't even fret over a check for reinbursement over my "lost years" working to pay for my first two years of community college anymore.

Education ultimately should be "free" , but the main crux needs to be accessibility. Like when the feds made the interstate system. Infrastructure is probably a larger issue. Hard core impoverished still cannot reliably get to and from a college if there is no infrastructure and bus routes getting there and no information for them to know the simple steps you have to take to have an "inflated lifestyle"

Maybe the system would collapse if everyone simultaneously realized they've been taken advantage of. Marches larger than the occupy movement in every city. But we don't want it to happen that way. Massive grid standstill isn't what we need.

And the other side of me says, if they provide 2 years free. What standard would they have to use to enforce the tiered class system? We all know much of the "education" in the west is actually training on how to be a holder of the whip. With low focus on Arts, Humanities, Mathematics and Trades. And stupidly high focus on Finance and the Navigation of legal systems.

While they are currently necessary, we still can't all be bankers, lawyers and accountants, now can we?

You know how we have NASA? I think we're long overdue for an institution with a chartered purpose, funded by the feds. A scientifically driven one, not an executive order on dollar redistribution, not a fake solution. A think tank of brilliant visionaries which designs technology and systems on how to approach prosperity and freedom for the highest number of humans possible. A cause as noble as the NASA's mission to seek and learn and explore our celestial backyard.

An institution where financial pressure to make money isn't the main object, but a purpose to both individual prosperity and to justice and humankind is the chartered goal. Not just an institution of salaried men, but also open challenges to the thinkers of society challenges which hold bounties of millions of dollars, medals and honors to any thinker which can theorize and or display technological/systemic overcoming of major issues. How can we accommodate for the families and lost income to those who feed off the oil industry if we switch to renewables? How can we end the unbalance and paranoia and war caused by our alphabet agencies which only act in our national interest and promote the strength of our fiat currency to protect our financial power's integrity by staging revolutions and destroying countries and starting wars? How can we tackle climate change? How can we upgrade our economic system of evictions and corporal punishment to one where everyone's dwelling may provide income opportunities with renewable energy like solar and wind feeding back to the system to generate an income which sustains at least the cost for education and their bare necessities of life?

To me, this would be a more pertinent legislation than free college, or than feeding African children for a mere week to restore your reputation and drop your taxes. And certainly more beneficial than our recent legislation on which country to carpet bomb next.

The funds can come from a portion of military spending.

a reply to: onequestion
That will be better and cut down on a lot of joblessness, especially if they go straight into a trade after that and from when there young. And even if it fails, they still will have a skill rather then a piece of paper. In all the truth is we got to many people and our society is not that big or complicated, its why we got so many do nothing jobs, and most of them pay more then the ones that do something.

It was bound to fall, and its still bound to fall. I do not think its an education problem, # you can find out how to build a atomic bomb on the internet or anything else as well, or all the other useless pieces of information out there. Its a structure problem, the way we structure our society and locality from teenage on up just does not work. And were it works you can see that for the most part it works because they stuck to what they know and the old rules. Its why, everybody still finds jobs but there click or those they know.

From the top of the pyramid to the bottom that is what it is, learning is basically the easy part, and in all cases getting your foot in the door and getting going is the much harder part. And were not helping our kids by not stepping them into the process from an earlier age. I mean your creating a huge gap there. And if you look around, that is what is happening.

I am interested to see what he is proposing. I wonder how this will affect those attracted to military for the GI bill.

a reply to: ketsuko

This is more or less what has happened at state 4-year schools. As soon as government made it "affordable" for everyone with loans and grants, the colleges took advantage with endless tuition rate hikes. Who cares if you can personally afford it? Uncle Sam'll pick up your tab.

Most of what you referring to actually started 50 years ago with the Higher Education Act of 1965 (Perkins & Stafford loans for instance). We're putting a niece through Rutgers and when we started looking at colleges a couple years back I was curious why tuition was so high and why it has been rising at a rate three times greater than that of the consumer price index.

My initial thinking was similar to yours and I also felt that out of control administrative costs must play a significant role but my research lead me to consider some other factors.

The key for me is that higher education is one of only a handful of industries where the costs are dramatically outpacing the CPI. The gist is that unlike something like the price of a TV or a car, the price of educating a person hasn't benefited substantially from automation and globalization.

a reply to: xuenchen

It's just about maintaining grades and showing up I think.

What does that even mean?

When I was in college, I was on a Work/Study program. I had a real job, in the Media Center on campus, and it paid an hourly wage, it was awarded to me through grant/tuition programs. Of course I still had to show up to class and keeps my grades up in order to keep the job.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Could you imagine a healthy and educated american youth, that would be terrible right.

Its commy talk right there...

Its not commie talk , its corruption talk.

The problem is not that most Americans don't want to help the people in need , provide healthcare for everyone along with an education and even contribute financially to make it happen .

The problem is that the Gov't has a nasty historical record in telling the American people that they are doing this for the benefit of Americans, but in reality they are doing it for the benefit of Corporations that draft,create, and push the laws in this country.

Every industry that is a cluster F for the American people : healthcare,insurance,welfare,education, taxes, telecom, immigration, etc has corporations that consulted,drafted,and created the legal wording in the laws passed in those industries. If you look at those Corporate Oligopolies in those industries who drafted and consulted on the laws they just so happen to be the REAL winners.

The moral of the story is, that before the people ask or expect the gov't to help them they must help the gov't take away the unlimited funds being passed between lobbyist , special interest groups and politicians.

Until than the gov't is just a used car salesman in telling the people what they want to hear and using both parties to cover 90-95% of the public’s views on the issue.

I'm not fully familiar what he is proposing but I'm sure as hell not expecting for this to benefit the people in the long run.

Follow the money , and the tax payers/ voters money get taken out for the most part before they even get to touch their pay checks. So they are not worried about getting your money, they are worried about getting half a billion dollars from the lobbying industry that it takes to run for office.

Obama likely would not like that i would use my 2 free years of community college for gunsmithing school.

Plus i am 64 years old and he would think i am to old to work again.

a reply to: xuenchen

It's just about maintaining grades and showing up I think.

originally posted by: windword

What does that even mean?

When I was in college, I was on a Work/Study program. I had a real job, in the Media Center on campus, and it paid an hourly wage, it was awarded to me through grant/tuition programs. Of course I still had to show up to class and keeps my grades up in order to keep the job.

Maybe something like this...

“What I’d like to do is to see the first two years of community college free for everybody who’s willing to work for it,” Obama said in a White House video posted Thursday evening. “It’s something we can accomplish, and it’s something that will train our workforce so that we can compete with anybody in the world.”

The president’s proposal would make two years of community college free for students of any age with a C+ average who attend school at least half-time and who are making “steady progress” toward their degree.

To be eligible, community colleges would have to offer academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities or training programs with high graduation rates that lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt “promising and evidence-based institutional reforms” to improve student outcomes.

Obama to propose two free years of community college for students