Little impact in SeaTac from $15 minimum wage

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

Obviously putting more money into the hands of the poor is helping please stop spreading that total nonsense.

There are many factors in why small business is not able to thrive in the current political climate. Wages can be higher when cost of running the business is lower and taxes are lower.

All I said was that the article admits that nothing has been proven in the first year of this program. Not enough people or businesses have been effected to find any measurable results. I made no claims in the positive or negative. stop trying to put words in people's mouths.

originally posted by: onequestion
I swear to god there is paid informants working on these boards trying to implant ideas and sway thought.

Or people talking simple economics and common sense.......

No offense big guy but it doesnt mean they are informants just because you dont agree.....


But common sense says that when mom and pop cant stay in business because they cant afford to pay their employees they go under

Its clear to me that a majority of the people who are all for this, have never owned their own small business and have no idea how finances work.....

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Common sense tells you that mom and pop cant stay in business not because they dont own slave labor but because the cost of doing business is to high.

Pretty simple.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Common sense tells you that mom and pop cant stay in business not because they dont own slave labor but because the cost of doing business is to high.

Pretty simple.

......and raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour is part of that cost of doing business.......

But just cutting your loses and saying "Welp since you guys are having a hard time anyway, were just going to go ahead and cut your throat by raising the minimum wage" isnt doing them any favors

How can anyone claim to be "for the little man" when youre actively in favor of putting him out of business?

Isnt greed and lining pockets what you guys are suppose to be against?

How does taking more money for yourselves while putting other people under make you any better then the people you claim to hate?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Paying your employees a decent wage is a mandatory part of the business in my opinion.

If you cant pay your employees a decent wage then you shouldnt be in business.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Common sense tells you that mom and pop cant stay in business not because they dont own slave labor but because the cost of doing business is to high.

Pretty simple.

Drama queen much?

Slave labor? Paid informants?

Getting paid for a job that you willfully agree to perform for an agreed upon wage is not slave labor. There are woman all over the world being sold as sex slaves in human trafficking rings. Maybe you should research this before being so flippant about labeling somebody who agrees to work making change at a burger joint slave labor.

Here's an interesting thought.... If my neighbor on my left wants to work for my neighbor on my right for $6 an hour, and they both find this agreeable, who in the f*#$ am I to tell him he can't?

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I find the hypocrisy a bit entertaining between the people who say they support small business and the working man and mom and pop all while trying to push a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage......

Do you not see that the only people that are goign to be able to survive are huge corporations while mom and pop go under?

You know businesses you hate like Wal-Mart.....

Not only that but these are the same idiots that also want increased illegal immigration to puts further pressure on wages. Talk about being schizophrenic. On one hand they want wages increased, but then they want to flood the market with cheap labor. Good grief.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Paying your employees a decent wage is a mandatory part of the business in my opinion.

If you cant pay your employees a decent wage then you shouldnt be in business.

Entrepreneurs don't open businesses to pay decent wages. Your job is just a necessary evil. Sure, some businesses may find that it is a competitive advantage to pay more, while some businesses cannot. The only reason a business hires anyone is because that person can generate more profits than their cost. If someone can only provide $8/hr of value to a business, no business is going to pay that person $15/hr regardless of the law.

Take fast food restaurants. Many are exploring using technology to get rid of a lot of cashiers now. At $8/hr or whatever they can justify having a lot of cashiers. They cannot at $15/hr. So what will they do? They will hire two or three $15/r cashiers instead of 10 $8/hr cashiers. The 7 people who lost their job will be replaced by an Ipad or other technology. So while the three who kept their job benefit from the increase, there are others who will lose their jobs.

In addition, you've just removed the lowest rung on the ladder for the least skilled workers. Minimum wage jobs are not careers. They are jobs designed to give someone a start, not live on for 20 years and raise a family. When I grew up, teens worked at fast food restaurants after school and during the summer. As they gained skills they moved up to bigger and better opportunities. Now most of these communities have very high teen unemployment as some 15 or 16 year old kid looking for a job after school is not worth $15/hr.

Why is it that when people say corporations, the only ones that are mentioned are walmart and mcdonalds?
Yes they have minimum wage workers. Many walmart workers don't understand how to use a comb and mcdonalds needs a third window to fix the orders they screwed up in the first two. That is what minimum wage pays for.
But what about other big corporations? IBM, Exxon, DuPont, General Motors, Goldman Sachs, Apple, to name a few. Does anyone actually believe they are paying workers the minimum? Mom and pops hire at the minimum. So do nursing homes.

isn't the 15 bucks suppose to happen over a 3 year period? I don't think it is close to 15 yet.

a reply to: Edumakated


Funny you say that. We were at Olive Garden a few weeks ago, we ordered and paid using a touch screen tablet. Wonder what that will lead to?

Op and Seattle Tac newspaper article is pure propaganda.

Of course people will be let go all over the place and replaced with illegals. This already happens. Why would it not occur on a grand scale when businesses cannot pay $15.00/hr for their help.

Then you would want to eat at those establishments? You're brave.

a reply to: Edumakated

They are jobs designed to give someone a start, not live on for 20 years and raise a family.

That's the gorilla in the room that because of what political alter some people worship at, refuse to address!

Love how people love Bill Clinton, while ignoring or just being ignorant to the fact he sold out America's steel industry to China!

How he and Bush pushed thru Nafta.

Just look at the UN and it's agenda!

It's designed to bring down countries that are living the good life so that the whole planet is nothing more than disposable slaves to the uber rich pricks that "OWN" governments that have sold out the people they represent!

This is the NWO!

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Paying your employees a decent wage is a mandatory part of the business in my opinion.

If you cant pay your employees a decent wage then you shouldnt be in business.

If you dont like the pay then dont take the job

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: Edumakated


Funny you say that. We were at Olive Garden a few weeks ago, we ordered and paid using a touch screen tablet. Wonder what that will lead to?

I was just at a local McDonald's that is implementing an iPad ordering system that includes customizing your Big Mac.

My guess is that big corporations will do fine. Profits will continue to grow.

Local businesses? It's just going to be another burden added to their backs. I'm sure under the table jobs are going to increase.

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

I've seen it here are a few restaurants already too. Raising minimum wage, particularly for businesses like restaurants just makes the economics of using technology to get rid of certain employees more feasible.

Most of these $15/hr wages are at fast food places and corporate department/grocery stores. You know the ones.

Carl's Junior is already replacing cashiers with walk-up, touch-pad computers. I haven't spoken to a person while ordering a pizza in a year. So enjoy the wages until you're replaced.
MacDo is already testing burger-flippers---robots, with one job, who don't need bathroom breaks or wages or healthcare.

Not to mention with the ACA, ANY business would rather hire 3 part-timers than one full-timer to avoid paying those healthcare costs.

I agree there are a lot of factors playing into how our economy is...well...changing. People are being forced from small business (both owners and employees) into the long arms of corporations that a) will not give them benefits (be it free meals,healthcare, public transport fees, WHATEVER) because they have plenty of other employees b) will turn on them as soon as the small business market is destroyed.

I almost feel like the wage hike is a false win...it will not last and I think a lot of these people's (now well-paying) jobs will NOT be there for long enough to make a difference to individual families.

a reply to: MarkJS

Oh, you made another really good point! Businesses will probably just find anyone willing to work for less.

I see it as a backhanded way to give illegals jobs. They look all altruistic and stoic by looking like they really care about the worker. Well they do... just not the workers you think of at first.

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

It sounds like an experiment, to me. As in experiment on this small portion of the city first before trying it on more of it.