Saul Paulus, Caesar's own zealous Pharicee

originally posted by: TheoFieldsGardener
Apollyon dwells in the Abyss. Your not crashing the gates this much I know.

No, but talking of abyss and crashing. Do a search for Abyss in Revelation and look for the numbers involved.

Revelation Chapter 9 among the three occurences also 9:11 ==> Fifth trumpet which was The Gulf War. Iraq USA.
Revelation Chapter 11 ==> 6th trumpet WTC, the two witnesses. Again Iraq-USA.
Revelation Chapter 20:01 ==> The Dragon in chains for 1000 years.

Hint: Check out those verse numbers. That can hardly be coincidental.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Since Trumps are monthly and 7 of them involve a 6 month period I'm not sure what you are implying. We'll see soon enough I'm sure.

originally posted by: TheoFieldsGardener
a reply to: greyer

Yes, those dirty bird Herods are the royal family today. I find it eternally amusing that Elizabeth dyed her hair all those years to hide it's true color. Charles too. The Hair reds are baby killers. Job was a Hair red. Prince Red & Harry is the one to watch though he's a real beast. What do you think Greyer?

I am not suggesting that the Jews claimed the Herodians were Jewish in the least way, the Jews loathed the Herodians and claimed they were 0% Jewish, though I am claiming many of them became 50% Jewish in blood. Now this needs investigation to see is Paul is connected with the Herodians.

I can't say anything about today's standards, the world has changed so much since ancient times. We have things today. Back then the the major population lived in tents. They were basically one with the wilderness for 1,000s of years. We know something happened with Moses and history, but then we can see that a Jewish people kept history and became holy. Not all Jews, but a seed of Moses going back to a seed of Enoch developed the Way, or the Truth. A group in ancient history after 1,000s of years of being holy were able to establish what was doctrine and what was not. But it was a secret doctrine from the world, because it wasn't for the world.

You can say that today's New testament is the Romans putting a Stamp on a Hebrew book at the end of the Hebrew world. The Dead Sea Scrolls are the Hebrew New Testament, by that time they were called Jews being from the land of Judah. To be completely correct, The Dead Sea Scrolls are the full bible as we know it today - the OT and the NT, and the media has testified that the OT of the Scrolls is the same as the OT we have today. But to your delusion, they reject that the scrolls are the NT also and say they were a minority rebel group that wrote the scrolls. This is a lie they are telling you.

For any real Christian, it is our job to listen to the early church and not the later church. In the early church James was bishop of the catholic church (catholic is Greek meaning 'the whole'), and Jude was then bishop after James was put to death by Paul, then the whole Jewish world was lost within a decade. This is not my story, but Paul is not going to tell you, that Paul left James and thought he was dead, but since he was a Nazorean Essene he was able to act as if he was dead, but the followers learned that he was not and they took him out of the city.

Now to get on the subject, it can be understood that Paul is a Liar. In fact, the Dead Sea Scrolls point to calling Paul a Liar. When Paul was saying to King Agrippa that he was a Pharisee, he said 'I am of the most strict sect of the Jews, a Pharisee.' This is a lie to move the future generations away from the fact that the early church was Essene, because if you look at the ancient historians, they all say that Essenes were the most strict sect. And when you follow the truth it is made known that James was Essene, and Peter was Essene - and Paul Tries To Remove That Essene Influence From History.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Oh yes I do see the reference to Daniel 7. You did change time didn't you. The reference to the millennial Kingdom being 1,000 years as opposed to a 2,000 year lie. We may have a different interpretation of loosed. I've seen those O+'s counting on getting into Heaven because they beLIEved in XES's name. What will they do when they find out XES doesn't have that power. If so what are all the underground cities for.

a reply to: greyer

I agree with you on the subject of Paul. He claims to be a kinsman of Herod (Roman 16:11). I am aware of James' trouble with Paul which makes it interesting to me what YAHshuWAH would have said to him when Paul's suposedly spoke to the EssiYAH in the desert and again in the secret chamber (Holy of Holies). I wonder what he would think about what Paul did to his brother. Hmmmm

Remember when YAHshuWAH says: If they tell you I am in the desert or secret chamber don't go." This is prophesy about Paul. But what he actually means is: Christianity is a false religion. All religions are. The Great Whore is Catholic and her daughters are ALL the rest. This is partially why he says: "Come out of her my people so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues. Now it's true he wants us out but it is not just their churches. It is also there boundaries.

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener

Trumpets are monthly? Try envisioning seven major world events instead capable of destroying the world as we know it completely, then you're getting there.

Trumpets and events:
1: WWI ==> War of technology
2: WW2 ==> War of Ideology and Arms Race for the Bomb
3: Chernobyl ==> Nuclear Disaster
4: Internet ==> Big Data and Moralistic Doom
5: Gulf War ==> War of Resources
6: WTC ==> War of Religion
7: Solomon's Temple ==> Opened in Brazil this summer, now what do they plan to do with those mugs over there?

Because, next up are the 7 Vials, God's supposed final judgement upon Earth and all the kingdoms and every last breathing bleeder, tossed in bricks and sewers. It's gonna be real bad I'm afraid, however, if it was up to me it is already done and all the religions and their ideologies and their politicians and their wars will end this upcoming Saturday? Maybe Agnes Nutter, witch, was right after all?

The stuff that sparked this thread was after having compared certain bible versions for how they translated the postscripts of Paul's epistles. You can read a few excerpts from the Catholic English Douay Rheims Vulgate below:

==> www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's pretty amazing what the guy manages to get away with really...

originally posted by: TheoFieldsGardener
a reply to: greyer
I wonder what he would think about what Paul did to his brother. Hmmmm

Perhaps he would have actually known about the Gentiles taking away their religion and deifying it, because we can see in reality behind the stories of the Gentiles that it was about the royal bloodline. The closest historian of the time was Josephus and he talks about two figures that could be Christ, he also has two references to Christ, one people speak of a forgery, and one people don't speak of much, but could be a forgery. He was the younger brother of James. Paul was a prominent man in a prominent city, but most of all he was a Roman citizen.

If the less talked about reference to Christ that Josephus makes is not a forgery, than the early church is definitely the humble, turn your cheek, wash your neighbors feet type of movement. If it is a forgery, than he is probably of the family that helped bring about the revolt against Rome and end of the world for ancient Jews.

Remember when YAHshuWAH says: If they tell you I am in the desert or secret chamber don't go." This is prophesy about Paul. But what he actually means is: Christianity is a false religion. All religions are. The Great Whore is Catholic and her daughters are ALL the rest. This is partially why he says: "Come out of her my people so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues. Now it's true he wants us out but it is not just their churches. It is also there boundaries.

Yes, Christianity was formed because a Greek historian got together with a questionable authoritative Roman citizen who spoke fluent Greek is two forms, and made the movement of James and Peter his own movement by claiming to see a vision. Well Constantine also claimed to see a vision when he revised the religion again and made it even more pagan, and also a world religion of the time.

Let us remember that Josephus also wrote the same books for the Jews, the one that we have is a Greek version for the Gentiles, there is no doubt that the other books would have had the real references and answers.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Trumpets and events:
1: WWI ==> War of technology
2: WW2 ==> War of Ideology and the Bomb
3: Chernobyl ==> Nuclear Disaster
4: Internet ==> Big Data and Moralistic Doom
5: Gulf War ==> War of Oil
6: WTC ==> War of Religion
7: Solomon's Temple opened in Brazil this summer, now what do they have in stock for tomorrow?

None of these are even what is written in Revelation of the repsective punishments let alone their ORDER. Trumps are Monthly and not at random. One thing I can tell you is that the Grigori (XES- Zeus) has been out of ORDER since the second day of Creation. That's a very long time. This from the mouth of YHWH.

2 And from the ROCK I cut off a great fire, and from the fire I created the orders of the incorporeal ten troops
of angels, and their weapons are fiery and their raiment a burning flame, and I commanded that EACH ONE
SHOULD STAND IN HIS ORDER.
3 And one from out the order of angels, having turned away with the order that was under him, conceived an
impossible thought, to place his throne higher than the clouds above the earth, that he might become equal in
rank to my power.
4 And I THREW HIM OUT OF THE HEAVENS ALONG WITH HIS ANGELS, and he was flying in the air continuously above the
bottomless. 2Enoch 29

And they continue to be to this day though I have seen your Temple in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener

I'd love to own a copy of your Book of Revelation. From what you quote it looks, what should I say, revealing?

eta: Ah, Enoch. I never really gave the Enoch tradition much gaze. Firstly it seems to be virtually impossible to find a version that is both affordable and readable. Any suggestions?

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Really, it is by far the important Book in the Qumran Essene collection. The Essenes especially wanted to know about Enoch. I wonder if they knew who the were in his writings. And how they were judged by YHWH before the flood. I don't think you'll like them though. One can not know YHWH's Calendar without them. How would anyone ever know the correct Sabbath with out it. And yet I could not have found it without the Qumran Essenes. Later after John died their leader became Simon Magus the Sorcerer. Peter battled him for the hearts and minds of the people. Peter always followed him because where ever Simon went healing was needed afterwards. Apparently it's easy for the fallen to sink lower but the Essenes were devoted to YHWH this is why they are elevated now.

Simon was teaching to eat food offered to idols (animal flesh). But then so did Paul.

online PDF is free gogle it.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener

I'd love to own a copy of your Book of Revelation. From what you quote it looks, what should I say, revealing?

eta: Ah, Enoch. I never really gave the Enoch tradition much gaze. Firstly it seems to be virtually impossible to find a version that is both affordable and readable. Any suggestions?

Here you go...

wesley.nnu.edu...

And For mostly all of your Abrahamic ancient text reading needs....

www.earlyjewishwritings.com...

www.earlychristianwritings.com...

a reply to: greyer

I read that Josephus was a Herodian as well. He mysteriously survived Masada which was a Herodian religious propaganda sect (in response to Qumran for damage control) that Herod Antipas funded. I think the only ones to survive Masada were the ones passing out the Koolaid. He also claimed that the Hyksos in his writings were Jews and his kinsman but they were likely the same Edomites, like Job the Pious to counsel Pharaoh to kill the first born sons of YAHshurun (Israel) in Moses' day.

So much of the History taught is lies. These liars are so good that many people who would normally be punished severely at Judgement will receive lighter sentences. Are they helping us? It's fantastic. Every rock I turn over uncovers a conspiracy of epic proportions. It's astounding the degree of success they have enjoyed. One will not truly appreciate the depths of their work until the whole TRUTH is uncovered. They are truly masters of darkness. When this is over we will truly know GOOD from Evil- TRUTH from lies- LIGHT from darkness.

Greyer they added a thousand years to the history books. It took a world class mathematician to uncover their scam. It's taken his entire career plus the works of several other Mathematicians careers to catch them and we stiil can't scratch the surface of what they have done. Keep an open mind and you will be amazed. The Arc Angel Michael said there would be no secret that wouldn't be exposed. All I can do is shake my head and laugh out loud.

a reply to: Akragon

Akragon, How many threads can I have going at one time? Can I do 7?

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener

As many as you wish my friend... there are no rules about how many you can have going

As long as they have substance, you're good

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener

Interesting replies, just whom do you think is going to carry out this judgement, and how do you think they will escape their own demise ??

a reply to: ParasuvO

I'm pretty sure it will be 2 distinct teams with one Judge or didn't they tell you that. It won't be one sided I can promise you that.

originally posted by: greyer

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

No, the Herod clan were not Jews. But Saul was a very common name in that time in that area of the world.

They became half-Jews by the time of Paul. And they were practicing Jews also.

LOL!!!! No they weren't! They were absolutely wicked. Herod was known only for his wickedness and barbarity. Saying he was a "practicing Jew" is like saying Hitler was a practicing Christian. John the Baptist was beheaded for calling out the kind for his wickedness.

a reply to: Akragon

I have all those pages bookmarked, I was thinking of a more old school bundled-paper solution, you know a book, and I already have many of the texts presented at wesley.nnu.edu in book form, meaning I do already own a couple of translations of Enoch, but they are crude translations made more than a century ago (that's why they can distribute the texts they do at the sites you linked to) so the language and source material is kind of outdated, and much has happened in the century that has gone by leading to Charles and James and Lightfoot and Harmer and the others' 100 year copyrights timed out a couple of decades ago.

Now, there are plenty other mediums available in book shape, what I am looking for is a good and affordable, modern critical translation. So if you or anyone else have read or own a recommendable translation, I'd be more than happy to get an Amazon link or an ISBN code.

Also, anyone know any prominent scholars in Enoch matters?

a reply to: NOTurTypical

I always wondered, where there any ties between Herodes (Herod the Great, the one with the Temple) and Herodotus (Herodot, the historian)? Anyone?