The Devil

I hold no grudges, and I am always the first person to say sorry, but I will not give that to you because I meant all of what I said and I believe all of it to be true. And I did not insult you, stop being so dramatic, I'm just very frank and do not dance around what I'm trying to say.

Pretty much what I expected... you don't even know when you insult someone... and you're quite happy to do so

Sigh

I tried...

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: deadeyedick

a reply to: Akragon

yes there are many opinions but only one truths



basically you are asking for everyone to respect lies

Im not asking anyone to respect lies...



IF I have lied call me on it... by all means...



What you people don't seem to understand is that what I say is truth to me, and I have never been proven otherwise...





point out what you call lies... or prove yourself to be one...



I will gladly address such accusations...

by lie i mean anything that goes against my truth and by you i mean everyone who feels they have truth
it was not personal toward you but the system where we are supposed to respect lies or untruths
it is madness at the highest order
when i am holding a ball in my hand and someone comes along and says nice square you have there i am supposed to nod yes and say they have great percepion


the post above me is this how you always speak to yourself?
careful they have pills for that nowdays

a reply to: deadeyedick

I was speaking to that person...

So by your logic, anyone who disagrees with you or your theology is a liar...

Not only are you happy to call someone a liar who is not lying... you can't even point out the lie that I supposedly told

You Christians blow me away sometimes honestly...

Ironically, this topic is about "the devil"... and this is one of the reasons I enjoy talking to Christians so much...

To expose said devil which infests your ranks...

IF only ATS kept stats on how many people (specifically Christians) that have been banned because of their lack of tolerance and or rude behaviour when speaking to me

I would truly like to see that number...

The devil indeed...

a reply to: Akragon
really are you gonna ignore the first line in my response?

i clairified the term lie to mean any thing that goes against my truth
yes by definition if one thing is truth then something that opposes it would be non truth
what is a non truth? a lie either by ignorrance or decption

wtf do you mean you christians



really though the rest of your post is just self bloating
you are not all that and everyone has an expiration date


in your case it is more like the devil in need

a reply to: deadeyedick

That's what I said...

Anyone who does not agree with you, or believe the exact same thing that you consider truth is a liar...

To which I will say... I stand on my previous statement...

You people blow me away sometimes... and by that I mean YOU bible believing folk who claim to be associated with Jesus... Not all of course, but most from what I've seen here and in real life

And the rest of my post is nothing but truth... Like it or not

in your case it is more like the devil in need

Aww... How cute, you think you're witty

a reply to: Akragon

I know that you feel insulted. But I feel that you choose to feel insulted instead of understanding why I have spoken the why I did. I would rather talk to you personally than as if we were speaking in a big group. 1 on 1 is much better for understanding and if you want to speak to me, for it seems that way to me, message me. I will not speak to you any differently than I would to myself, but the whole arena dynamic will be gone. Your move.

a reply to: backcase

So let me get this straight...

You insult me, call me a liar... slander me in public...

I try to put things behind us so we might be able to have some discussions in the future (Love thy enemy... ye know)

And you basically call me a liar again, and tell me to shove it...

Now you want a place to hide your behaviour?

And you believe I should come to you...

You sir, are quite amusing... LOL

I've had enough from Moby Dick above us for one day... Im hardly in the mood to go another few rounds with you in private

I'll see ya around the boards im sure...

a reply to: Akragon

Okay, have it your way, that's fine by me. I just want to let you know, and clear up your thought, that I may have a grudge against you. I don't, I assume you have one against me by the way you keep saying that I insulted you.

This is my honesty, I'm not putting on a show for anyone.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: akushla99

HE came to me and told me this was HIS truth. I believe HIM. If another God ever comes to me I will let you know, but this one saved my life, twice, and showed me heaven, once in person, and gave me HIS Holy Spirit who is with me continually.
I am clear. And I have spoken all I need to speak. Enjoy your freewill, as I do so enjoy mine!

Every one has a HE or an IT. You sure you are not speaking to your 'higher self' that exists between your experience and 'God Head'? (that's a binary field of awareness and does not exist in material form). Another physical God of high stature inserting itself within your consciousness would certainly be confusing. If one saved your live twice showed you heaven; was not HIS holy spirit, but instructing you through your higher self which is of the same spirit/matter that dwells within you as the material "kingdom of heaven"; representative of *being in body by you* as an individualized aspect of 'God'. I hope I am clear.

originally posted by: backcase
a reply to: Akragon

I know that you feel insulted. But I feel that you choose to feel insulted instead of understanding why I have spoken the why I did. I would rather talk to you personally than as if we were speaking in a big group. 1 on 1 is much better for understanding and if you want to speak to me, for it seems that way to me, message me. I will not speak to you any differently than I would to myself, but the whole arena dynamic will be gone. Your move.

I feel insulted. Big group big boy conversation; one on one is for esoteric reasons; off topic fruit fly studies (everyone involved that bothers to listen is cut out). Any arena dynamic removed is OF YOUR PROVICATION/intent (if you want to speak to me privately your move). Really?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: deadeyedick



That's what I said...



Anyone who does not agree with you, or believe the exact same thing that you consider truth is a liar...



To which I will say... I stand on my previous statement...



You people blow me away sometimes... and by that I mean YOU bible believing folk who claim to be associated with Jesus... Not all of course, but most from what I've seen here and in real life



And the rest of my post is nothing but truth... Like it or not

in your case it is more like the devil in need

Aww... How cute, you think you're witty

you try hard to not see my point.
if anyone has truths as their beliefs then it is a fact and anything opposing that would be a lie by default

the answer is one of two either they were right all along or they were wrong. either way we all go around here spouting truth and believe others to be wrong even when we are not in 100% surety
the question is how long can the cat hide? the answer will be givin shortly

originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: deadeyedick

deadeyedick: you try hard to not see my point.
if anyone has truths as their beliefs then it is a fact and anything opposing that would be a lie by default
the answer is one of two either they were right all along or they were wrong. either way we all go around here spouting truth and believe others to be wrong even when we are not in 100% surety
the question is how long can the cat hide? the answer will be givin shortly

Having a belief system is the first of many faults (the big lie). Any dogma embraced as true is automatically a false premise to engage one into a worship that takes the spirit away from the eternal truth (no one can spell this to you book form). There are so many dogmas to fall victim to (those in the invention process are working for whom?) So one spends time chasing a false system of ideology (good plan keep the human totally distracted). Unless you achieve an enlightened state of being there is no hope for growth (you will probably reincarnate for another go around at being human and fail); the set up is for the soul to PROGRESS; it rarely succeeds (who is in charge here), this is tiresome, too hard; not enough instructions given at the incarnation. Its unfair, ridiculous actually; stranded without real reference/experience/with/ to an actual God being.

a reply to: Akragon

People are rude online?
You don't say.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: deadeyedick

deadeyedick: you try hard to not see my point.
if anyone has truths as their beliefs then it is a fact and anything opposing that would be a lie by default
the answer is one of two either they were right all along or they were wrong. either way we all go around here spouting truth and believe others to be wrong even when we are not in 100% surety
the question is how long can the cat hide? the answer will be givin shortly

Having a belief system is the first of many faults (the big lie). Any dogma embraced as true is automatically a false premise to engage one into a worship that takes the spirit away from the eternal truth (no one can spell this to you book form). There are so many dogmas to fall victim to (those in the invention process are working for whom?) So one spends time chasing a false system of ideology (good plan keep the human totally distracted). Unless you achieve an enlightened state of being there is no hope for growth (you will probably reincarnate for another go around at being human and fail); the set up is for the soul to PROGRESS; it rarely succeeds (who is in charge here), this is tiresome, too hard; not enough instructions given at the incarnation. Its unfair, ridiculous actually; stranded without real reference/experience/with/ to an actual God being.

You have a belief system. You believe in something and systematically rationalize it.

So it is not a lie and neither is it a fault, because everyone believes in something.

Tears for Fears...



Everybody wants to rule the world, even if it is just their little space and time, their own corner of the world. I am sure that in your belief system you believe that you may walk around naked in your home if you wish. I am sure that in your belief system, you can do what you want because you are you.

originally posted by: backcase
Lastly, I will say that I have been tormented by them, and that I have seen hell.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer
This is where we to can begin our conversation.

Is there any scripture to back that up?

That demons torment people in hell? Or are you basing your belief that hell is everlasting torment not on scripture but on a subjective experience?

a reply to: backcase

Ok. The Devil now hates discipline. What's next? The Easterbunny is on drugs and will be in rehab this Easter? You sure this is not about you realising you are quite cross, turning your crossness and your demand for meaningless discipline into some narcissistic tirade where you are some saint George and thanks to discipline and being an arse you have turned the forces against you into an obese and most awful of all way too kind a dragon you can poke? Masterly.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

That demons torment people in hell?

See, I've heard that Hell was created FOR the Devil and his Demons. Yet, it seems that they're having fun down there, tormenting us all humans who couldn't wrap our heads around the whole dying God thing.

I guess that's what it means when they say God created Hell FOR Satan and his Demons, as a sort of playground for them!

o: WakeUpBeer
Well my hell was very personal to me. It was like the intensity of all of my vices were mocking me. As i ran it began to chase me. I felt no hope of ever leaving this horror. But i still remembered to begin praying. As i did so the landscape faded.

I realised that what keeps one in hell is how they have abandoned God to the point that they refuse to go to Him. The moment i rememberedJesus my hope returned, and mercy returned and saved me from hell.

There is actually a good twilight zone episode that shows hell as actually getting everything you want in the world.

The scriptural evidence would be when it speaks of the second death, which is, death of the soul to grace.

a reply to: backcase

Did Jesus die a second death?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: backcase

Did Jesus die a second death?

Ah, now you have hit on a good theological question.

My understanding is no, He only died once and defeated death. It will show in his answer what theology he follows in Christianity.

Here is the thing, while the Bible describes hell as a lake of fire, people are not automatically sent there. They still have to await the judgment when all people are judged for their works. Those who have their names written in the Lamb's book of life, we don't know who they are as that is not for us to know who else is there.

The problem with some (I say SOME, not ALL) Christians is that they have been taught a type of grace that excuses them from judgment, they think they won't be judged for their works, which the Bible plainly says they will. That is the equality of all people, all will be judged for their works.

Christians do believe that we are not saved by works, lest any man boast. That is true, we cannot rely on our own works to save us because if we did, there is not enough we can do on our own to save us. But that is the work of Christ at the cross, we are saved in His work at the cross, that He came into this world to do.

But at the end of the day, I am not the judge of someone's eternity, that is to God alone. I will never say that someone is going to hell or in hell now. Remember that Jesus went into paradise and preached to those there and those who chose to believe came out at that time. They were not in hell and those people were there before Jesus came into the world.

Satan and the demons walk freely now on this planet or wherever they choose to go. When I say Satan, I mean as Jesus called him, the enemy, the accuser. We can say that there are evil entities, maybe you call them dark beings, but they are on this planet now and have been since long before mankind ever came into being.

I think you could agree that there are people who are influenced by those entities who do terrible and evil things, guided by dark forces that have the power to manipulate. But Jesus makes it clear that it is really ourselves that are our own worst enemies.

Hell, yes it is real, heaven is real also. But I cannot say and will not place accusation on anyone to say they are going to hell, that is not my job. SOME Christians believe it is their job.

But we just do not know everything about that spiritual world. We cannot say we do, we might have a very brief glimpse of something, and there have been people who claimed to have seen both. There are people who have experienced both the good and the bad of that spiritual world. But the truth is, both dark and light exist on this planet right now. Evil and good are everywhere, some influenced by the good, some influenced by the bad. That's how simple it is.