Catholic Church Exposed - Satan in the Vatican?

I've been doing some research recently and tried making my own video from scratch but it was such a daunting task. Then the song came along, so I decided the easiest and most effective way to do this would be to find the perfect few videos to mash together and add a bit (not too much) commentary. It was hard finding just the right videos because a lot of them are full of trash.

Spent a good few hours on this, hope you find it all as fascinating as I did.

I still don't get how they can say that Morning star means Jesus Christ when in the Lyrics it says Jesus Christ is the son of Morning star.

So Jesus Christ is the Son of Jesus Christ?

I'm really confused about that song to be honest. The rest of the documentary makes perfect sense to me though. The song, seems like a spinball of sorts.

Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as the morning star?

It's very hard to rope together all that we could or maybe should on the RC church . Walter Vieth from amazing discoveries has some very good lectures on the subject . I will just post these 3 for consideration . The Jesuits is a very important part of the story of the RCC as well a reply to: TechUnique

a reply to: TechUnique

The exact passage in the bible is Isiah 14: 11-13

"11 Thy pride is brought down to hell, thy carcass is fallen down: under thee shall the moth be strewed, and worms shall be thy covering.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?
13 And thou said in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north."

Satan coveted the role that Christ was to play in his time to come. But he never was the light bringer or morning star. He was false, a fake, a charlatan, an imposter.

Jesus Christ was always the true light bringer - the Morning Star.

CdT

originally posted by: CirqueDeTruth
a reply to: TechUnique

The exact passage in the bible is Isiah 14: 11-13

"11 Thy pride is brought down to hell, thy carcass is fallen down: under thee shall the moth be strewed, and worms shall be thy covering.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?
13 And thou said in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north."

Due to an error in Septuagint translator ''Morning Star'' was translated to Εωςφορος = Lucifer
Eosforos is a Greek divinity related to the morning star, referred to in Greek scripts from at least 8th ce BC.
But this passage from Isaiah is clearly referring to the king of Babylon Nabucodonosor.
When Jerome translated translated the vulgate, he did not adopt the original Hebrew text, but the Septuagint text, and when he found Eosforos he translated it to Lucifer.

“How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!”
– Isaiah 14:12


There was an ancient myth in the Babylonian literature that Heylel the morning star Venus scaled to great heights to make himself like a king in the heavens but was quickly driven back down. That is what the king of Babylon will be like…one who rises to great heights and then is toppled from his high position.
That's how Isaiah used the term morning star.
And that's were the Hebrew views of the fallen angel relate with Lucifer.

Lets see exactly who Isaiah 14:12 is referring to and it is not Jesus or the Devil. Look back at Isa 13:1 – “An oracle concerning Babylon that Isaiah son of Amoz saw.” (NIV). Isaiah 13 speaks of the destruction of Babylon (see especially 13:19). Chapter 14 continues this message. 14:1-3 is about the return from exile back to Israel. Then notice 14:4 (just 8 verses before the verse in question) – “You will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:” The taunt seems to go from 14:4b-8. Then 14:9 talks about the grave meeting them at their coming. Meeting who? The same people the taunt was against – Babylon. It is a curse referring back to the object of their taunt…not Jesus or Satan but the King of Babylon.

Eosforos and Hesperos were Pagan (Greek, Roman) gods of Venus and often the term Eosforos or Lucifer was used as an epithet to various Gods or wise men, meaning those who bring wisdom (light) to others.
It had nothing at all to do with the Devil, except from the fact the church demonized all pagan beliefs and thus Lucifer became Satan in the eyes of christians.

With that in mind morning star was also used in an entirely different meaning by John to describe Jesus in revelations.

“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” – Revelation 22:16

John lived and wrote the revelations in the Greek Island of Patmos which was a strong pagan society at that time. Thus his use of the word morning star refers to the Greek meaning of Eosforos and means literally the bringer of light (wisdom).
morning star was the one meaning Eosforos

Satan coveted the role that Christ was to play in his time to come. But he never was the light bringer or morning star. He was false, a fake, a charlatan, an imposter.

No! Satan never had any relation with the Morning Star or Lucifer or Eosforos or Hesperos or Fosforos that Idea was brought by christians because they despised all pagan beliefs, and thought of them as satanic, demonizing every aspect of polytheism, and wrongfully accusing them for idol worshiping.

Jesus Christ was always the true light bringer - the Morning Star.

That's a believers subjective opinion and I respect it, but Jesus or Satan had nothing to do with this term's origin, that was used way before Jesus, to describe other Gods and before it became an epithet it referred to Heylel or Eosforos or Lucifer, or literally to the planet Venus which brought the sun, so they are the true original light bringers.

It's just a Chick Tract set to video. Meh.

originally posted by: TechUnique
Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as the morning star?

Odd that link doesn't mention that the Hebrew in that verse from Isaiah says "helel ben-sahar" for the word that gets translated as "morning star". It's not, it's "crescent moon and star."

a reply to: Dr1Akula

Very informative post. Thank you.

I'm well aware I put forward the Bible Study answer to TechUnique's question.

CdT

a reply to: Dr1Akula

But this passage from Isaiah is clearly referring to the king of Babylon Nabucodonosor.

No, it's referring to the antichrist, and well specifically satan (the accuser) behind the antichrist. "King of Babylon" is one of the 33 titles the Bible uses for the antichrist. Nebuchadnezzar never fell from heaven, that was the former anointed cherub, aka the devil.

a reply to: TechUnique>>> This has to be the most politically correct Pope we've ever seen, that's for sure. They installed Obama to be a rubber stamp, I wonder if the same people are pulling the Pope's strings as well? His latest comments about global warming seem to come from way out in left field.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Absurd video to you and some other people matey, to other people that's not the case. Perhaps you could lead by example rationality wise, if what you are suggesting is that I am being un-rationable, that is.

The Vatican is in trouble through apostasy, gay networks and even satanic networks have long been rumoured to be operating at the heart of it, this Pope Francis seems to be doing his best to tackle it and is shuffling cardinals like playing cards........but its main problem is apostasy instead of taking on its enemies its trying to appease them and by doing so its becoming a watered down religion starting with vatican 2 in the 60s, not st.peters rock .....as for those videos its good to see americans understand the catholic church as well as they understand the bible.....thats sarcasm btw.

Lucifer, the light bearer, relating to the Morning Star, like the morning paper, bringer of the dawn or light in the darkest hour sounds better, where some how a male symbol became feminine.

Satan, the Adversary, the Accuser, probably the Denier too, where some how God just sees red.

The vatican's insatiable oligarchical thirst for power and control over Europe is still alive and kicking even after hundreds of years.

The vatican's contempt for unrestricted and unmitigated control over people and land is legendary, as that is their founding principle. The arrogance of the vatican is only rarely matched by other powers in history.

The latest strategy of conquest revolves around the principle that the vatican inherits all land and buildings from dead priests, as they are forbidden to marry and forbiddent to (at least officially) have children. According to the italian law, that means such property has no compulsory heir, as the priest doesn't have children.

With this trick and their hexemption from taxation by the italian state, the Vatican aims at some kind of slow paced invasion with the purpose of annexation of property, currently belonging to the state of italy, to the Vatican City.

a reply to: Flanker86

The vatican's insatiable oligarchical thirst for power and control over Europe is still alive and kicking even after hundreds of years.

Nonsense, nobody cares about the Pope or the Vatican anymore, they're honored for historical and ceremonial reasons, but that's it. The Pope holds no sway over any nation or the UN in this modern era.

originally posted by: TechUnique
I still don't get how they can say that Morning star means Jesus Christ when in the Lyrics it says Jesus Christ is the son of Morning star.

So Jesus Christ is the Son of Jesus Christ?

The text doesn't say that. There are more christs than Jesus Christ. His kingdom is Europa and his victorious kings/conquerers are European royalty.

Jesus is the proto-king, the priest-king arch type of royalty. There exists a line of succeeding messiahs including but not limited to-- Jesus Christ and his children and their children and so on down history lane.

originally posted by: TechUnique
I still don't get how they can say that Morning star means Jesus Christ when in the Lyrics it says Jesus Christ is the son of Morning star.

Helel ben Shachar is Lucifer son of Venus.

Venus the planet is the Morning Star, as well as Evening, usually getting a different name for morning and evening even in Hebrew and Canaanite mythology and early Roman mythology so let's say John wrote it, he would have known he was talking about the mythical and astrological Morning Star of old Canaanite/Hebrew mythology. The Morning Star was never evil and was a goddess named Shachar, Helel her "son" was the King of Babylon and Isaiah was sarcastically calling the King "Shining One!!! Son of Shachar because he was getting too big for his britches. It's not the Morning Star who is evil it's "Helel" so Jesus being the Son of the Morning Star would make the Morning Star the Virgin Mary. That's in line with Catholic veneration of "The Perpetual Virgin" who is more revered by Catholics than almost every Christian denomination, if not every. The Bible calls Jesus the Bright and Morning Star and it is rather confusing even in Greek and Hebrew it's very out of line with any Lucifer based theology but Lucifer is not the the Morning Star or a divine being just a Babylonian King that thought he was divine, poorly translated and misinterpreted through the languages.

So Jesus Christ is the Son of Jesus Christ?

I'm really confused about that song to be honest. The rest of the documentary makes perfect sense to me though. The song, seems like a spinball of sorts.

I think that the Catholic Church considers Mary to be the Morning Star but can't admit it. That's the most likely scenario. The Morning Star, Venus, has always been a Goddess so Jesus calling himself the Morning Star doesn't make any sense as a Revelation at all considering. Mary actually makes sense as the Morning Star being female and Mother of the Son of God. That fits with mythology.