Lost Civilizations: An Alternate View Of Human History

a reply to: TheJourney
Well-known theory for me and I find it very plausible.
Thanks for posting OP

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Just my opinion, but maybe not using stone tools, but I don't think it would take long for us to hit just trying to survive mode.

On topic I completely believe there have been major civilizations before, possibly a couple... Glaciers can rework a mountain range it doesn't strike me as impossible for a glacier to remove buildings or other signs of civilization. During an ice age that is..

The Thundarr The Barbarian Story



Yes you know it Lords Of Light! This toon needs a remake, and could very well be what happens when a civilization ends and another begins.

Thing is though, where's the evidence?

Archaeology has uncovered many wonderful things. But never a hint of any sort of advanced unknown civilisation.

originally posted by: Painterz
Thing is though, where's the evidence?



Archaeology has uncovered many wonderful things. But never a hint of any sort of advanced unknown civilisation.

Sorry I just ran out of koolaid I drank the last cup myself if you want any your going to have to research where to find it on your own.

A few misconceptions that people seem to have is that up to (around) 10 years ago we were simply fighting for survival, to dumb to work out how to throw a few seeds in the ground and grow some crops. Its our own egotistical superiority complexes that brings us to this conclusion.

When the reality is humans were actually very happy with there way of life and for the most part used to live quite easily, they knew the land intimately and were incredibly good at making it work for them.

Sure in hindsight, now we have perfected living in civilizations and spent thousands of years breeding domesticated plants and animals it ended up working out for us, but there was a whole lot of hard work and suffering to get to the point where that was a comfortable way of life.

Think about it, why would a hunter and gather choose to live in disease ridden overpopulated cities, well spending over 12 hours a day doing back breaking work just to gain enough to fight off starvation? Only to have the chance of the whole crop failing because of disease or natural disaster. When they could just spend an hour a day digging tubers that would feed the whole family for the day, then be free to sit by the camp fire for the rest of the day sharing stories with there tribe.

Obviously, imo, humans only started farming out of necessity from either depleting there natural resources from overpopulation, or environmental factors that forced them to abandon there hunter and gather lifestyles.

imo, the birth of agriculture and civilizations weren't even the huge event that started the magnificent journey of human superiority. It was when we began engaging in highly detailed rock art and practicing ritual burials, that's when the real big bang of the human consciousness began, which was approximately 40 thousand years ago.

If your looking for some big amazing mystery that caused humans to become the deeply spiritual creatures we are, then that's where you'd want to look. The beginning of civilizations was just a coincidental survival strategy that allowed us to take advantage of the abilities we already had.

Im a supporter of the idea there was a civilisation like humans (but not exactly biologically the same) that lived aside with humans (we know). This other category of human beings (mabey these were the large skulled or giant people), may of been technologically superior to humans, and applied that as designers (eg pyramids). This other category of humans died off by the looks of it for reasons unknown. The modern human has inherited a lot of his culture and technological roots from the original category/race (unknown).

a reply to: Painterz

Like I mentioned, mountain ranges have been ground down, or had paths carved through them.. Is it that big a stretch to say the evidence was buried or ground down to nothing as well?


Also there are quite a few objects in the world that don't quite fit the current accepted history.

And lastly I always thought a hallmark of a scientific mind is accepting that we don't have all the answers yet..

Ohh got a last few drops of kooolaid here enjoy:

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

An interesting fact - the human brain has been shrinking steadily for the past 30,000 years. Also around that time, we begin to see manifestations of human consciousness. Perhaps before that, our inner lives were so much more rich, perhaps we were plugged into a shared collective unconscious, where physical elements of communication were simply not necessary. As our brains shrank, we lost that communion and so began to create art, to elaborate on basic language, etc.

Just a theory But the brain has been shrinking. And every region, too, except the one part which specializes in social skills which has actually grown.

Agriculture came long after this trend started, but there are other possible dietary factors which might have played a role. We started consuming much larger quantities of meat at that time, and some studies link heavy meat consumption in mothers to lowered IQ in offspring. (The Fatty Tissue Hypothesis, i.e. the "Meat made us smarter" idea, has been debunked btw) Food for thought.

a reply to: Son of Will

There are some scientists that study the trend of our brains shrinking down that have come up with a theory that it is because a smaller brain is the signature of selection against aggression. In other words it signals an increase in tolerance. When a population selects against aggression, they can be considered to be domesticated. And for a variety of domesticated animals like apes, dogs or turkeys, you can see certain physical characteristics emerge. Among these traits are a lighter and more slender skeleton, a flattened forehead and decreased brain size.

Think about chimpanzees and bonobos both have the intelligence to solve a given puzzle but Chimps the more aggressive of the two are less likely to solve a puzzle if it involves teamwork that isn't so with Bonobos yet they have smaller brains out of the two.

So the shrinking brain could simply mean that we have left behind a more aggressive nature. That is a very plausible explanation considering there are known examples to us of that in the animal kingdom.

We stand on the shoulders of giants we just don't know who they were. Is it inevitable that different civilizations take different technology paths? It doesn't seem we did. There are ancient stones that we cannot duplicate with today's technology so our tech path must be different than theirs. I'm not saying better just different.
If everything ended today in 10,000 years the only thing left identifiable for sure would be the space probes and the lunar landers. Everything else except rocks like Mt Rushmore will be gone. Mt Rushmore might assume the same stature as the pyramids. A mystery of what they were and how they got there.
It's not over until the final question is answered. Since we don't know how (Thank goodness!) to stop asking questions it will never quite be over.

It occurred to me a while ago after reading a story about some mad man who flew from America to the south Sudan to basicaly gift a child a 3D printed limb after reading how he lost it during the conflict.

So if you can imagine these people who dont have electricity or anything even remotely close to the modern technology we use everyday were to witness some white dude descend out the skies in a helicopter and proceeds to build a custom fitted 3D printed limb from a small shiny metal box?

Basicaly benevolent gods coming down and using magics to make miracles happen.

Now if they were to ever write this down so that archaeologists in the future were to ever find this. Oh wait.

"All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again"

a reply to: Grimpachi

That is interesting. When we domesticate animals some of the main characteristics that occur is they become smaller (less muscle mass), there brains become smaller and they develop higher serotonin levels, which makes them more placid.

So maybe we have just been domesticated from the neanderthals, which maybe was what caused our spiritual awareness, seemingly spontaneously 40 thousand years ago. I don't think it can be denied that we are domesticated creatures, the big question is though, did we domesticate yourselves or did someone else do it?

Another, interesting trait to domesticated animals is that they lose there breeding cycles and gain the ability to breed all year round. Which actually fits with one of the main excepted theories as to why other hominids got wiped out, because us sapiens are just breeding machines. So other hominids just probably couldn't keep up and just got absorbed completing for resources.

Heres a thought, what if there is no actual history at all and all time is really the ever present. Meaning we are quantum entangled with all times and no knowledge or life was ever lost we just need to see the timestream as one thing instead of a linear line.

Science is slowly catching up with ancient knowledge .
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The fact is, 80% of stars are members of binary or multiple star systems. BRI suggests that there is strong evidence that our companion star is Sirius, although Vedic astronomers say it is Alcyone, in the Pleiades constellation, which they say accounts for the ~24,000-year Yuga cycle. This tandem orbit explains the precession of the equinoxes (better than the conventional non-explanation of a "wobble"). This cycle accounts for the 13,000 year half cycle's correspondence with the Ice Ages.

But there is one thing yet missing: the ~5,125-year world age ("Great Year") doctrines of many ancient cultures, including the Mayan Long Count calendar. Five Long Count cycles make up a 25,625-year cycle. Hmmm... the most accurate calendar ever devised, from the only culture that recognized that we are spiraling in a galaxy around a great central sun... Maybe they knew what they were talking about.

I suggest that the long count is due to an intermediate spiral around a closer star (probably Alcyone). A spiral within a spiral within a spiral....
These cycles would account for worldwide extinction events , on those anniversaries .
It may also explain the mysterious disappearance of many ancient cultures ,
that had this knowledge ,.... and a means of escape !

.... ergo , some of our E.T friends may be these people dropping back in ?

Some boffins I know reckon this is our fourth time around !?

..............

a reply to: TheJourney

Hello! I wish I could give you more than one star and flag, you wrote this OP so well, it's everything I've come to believe and understand from all the reading, studying and just plain observing of everything, that I've done over the last 15 years. Awesome post!

The lost paradise, the lost civilization, Atlanis, Eden, and so on, is a lost state of mind, a spiritual paradise, a dream world, our ancestors were in.

So, could you also make a case for the great flood, during Noah's time? If scripture says: there is nothing new under the sun, then everything we have now, was before, no? They may not have had facebook, but i'm sure they had the computers. We just think we're all that.

The civilization before us must be laughing and pointing their fingers at us, while saying: "they think dey cute, with dat old technology".