Urgent message for all British people!

I find that interesting as would say the exact opposite.

I was told as a child that the royal family were important but as I grew older and times changed that after a breif stilt as an anti monarchist I am now entirely neutral on the subject.


a reply to: boymonkey74

a reply to: boymonkey74

Can you provide us with said polling data? I find your claim very hard to believe.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: TechUnique

Thing is Tech you have a pop at our Queen the Masons etc but have fallen for the biggest lie going Christianity/Religion.
Stick to the thug life but don't give yourself another tat lol......funny that.

The biggest lie going is that Satan doesn't exist. It has completely ruined society as is evident. People don't care anymore. You think I'm duped but you guys are spellbound.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: TechUnique

The polls show most brits do like the queen
.
You may noy but most do.

Most who voted. Do you have that figure? Otherwise it is a misrepresentation of the British public.

originally posted by: OzTiger

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: TechUnique

Some Brits are gullible enough to swallow his tripe...

Some have genuine concerns about immigration as well...



I don't think either category has enough for him to win an election.



If they do... I'll be moving...

To you and "TechUnique" might I ask just WHERE you are going to move to?

Dunno. Anywhere with internet and lack of bureaucracy. If such a place exists.

I've got to say I have mixed feelings about Farage.
I think he's a bit of a phony, a frustrated Tory who is resentful of the Conservative Party, who he used to be a passionate supporter of, for not fully accepting him into the inner echelons.
His attempts to portray himself as a 'man of the people' are ridiculous - he's as far removed from the realities of everyday lives of ordinary British people as any other modern career politician.

To counter this though I admire his stance against Eurocrats and the inherent corruption, double standards and dictatorial nature of the EU.
And I have a grudging respect for him being prepared to take the established parties on in the public domain.

But more important than anything else we should be asking ourselves why he and his party has seen such an increase in support?

The harsh reality is that the majority of British people have little or no respect at all for modern career politicians and the self-promoting and self-serving system which they are a major part of.
The major political parties arrogantly and casually dismiss genuine concerns of the British electorate and continue to promote the interests of elites above the well being and best interests of the British people.
Growing numbers of people feel disenfranchised from society and the system that governs and controls that society.

The party political system - which Farage is trying to muscle his way in to - has outlived its usefulness and is no longer fit for purpose.
We need urgent and radical reform.

a reply to: TechUnique

You ask for proof and empirical evidence of The Queens popularity yet profess a deep faith in the existence of God, Satan etc that relies 100% on faith alone and the complete lack of evidence.

You do see the contradiction don't you?

originally posted by: ecossiepossie
a reply to: TechUnique

What do you mean get IN ?
HE MAY GET A SEAT IN THE COMMONS .
But ukip is not a political party that could ever win an election.
So he has as much chance of becoming a prime minister as Rusell Brand.
tosser is what he is
An a vote for ukip is a vote tossed away

We Brits know A KIP Is a term for sleeping or napping .

If you snooze you lose

If you kip ukip your vote ends up in a rubbish skip

Where he an his raceists party deserve to be binned.

UKIP if you want to, this man is not for kipping!!

VirusGuard:

...many other people know that immigrants force down wages...

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Your prejudice and ignorance are showing.

Immigrants do not force down wages. What they are willing to do is to work for a lower wage than you will for the same job, because it is still probably more than what they would earn in their own country. However, what this does is to allow employers to exploit the situation, and it is the employers who are able to enforce lower wages to non-immigrant workers, because non-immigrant workers are forced by government immigration policy to compete against the immigrants for the jobs (usually low-skilled labouring jobs). Immigrants aren't causing anything...government and employers are.

Suppose we enforce a total repatriation scheme on all immigrants who have come to this country to work? Do you think your wage is going to rise after they have been sent back? Farage - through UKIP - is playing all those who would vote for him and his party candidates for ignorant fools by appealing to their prejudices and deflecting the blame where it should rightly fall...on your own government and employers.

Fact is, if you want to move beyond that exploitation trap (and I grant you it is hard), you need to increase your skill sets and get qualified within sectors of industry that are still being successful. You cannot blame immigrants who come to this country through the proper legal channels for the low wages employers are paying...why do you think multiculturalism was put in place? It was put in place to create the very effect it has had on the labour market. Immigrants that come to Britain illegally are even more exploited!

originally posted by: TechUnique
a reply to: skalla

I'm not denying that there are good masons! But historically there have been some very bad ones. Please don't make me back this up man, it's late and if you are who I think you are, you have no problem doing a bit of research. I can't remember specifics but I know a few dictators have been masons, also a lot of high up intelligence agents, Judges, Police etc.

I'll ask you again, who do you think i am.

It sounds like a scurrilous attempt to discredit a poster to me.

So go on, put up, or admit you got a bit narked, made a comment that is beneath you and move on with class.

I love it when people say they hate the Queen etc. What is the Bush and Clinton Dynasty if it isn't an unofficial monarchy? Do they think Bush 2 EARNED his presidency? At least our Queen's family conquered and claimed the throne hundreds of years ago.

But back to the main topic about Farage. I couldn't care less if he was a freemason, they mainly do charitable things if not utterly dull social things like coffee mornings. Fundraisers, coffee mornings, choirs. Get a grip folks and get off your fat asses and perhaps do a bit of hard work with your research.

Now. Most importantly, the POLICIES of UKIP have come from the members who aren't bat# insane. Only a few years ago, getting out of the EU was an issue confined only to fora such as ATS. Farage and UKIP took the issue mainstream and did it using the British political system. The nonsense about pointing the finger at immigrants is a ruse. It was simply a means to secure the hard right-wing vote to get the EU exit issue to the forefront of Britains political agenda. Farage has done STERLING work in the Euro parliament slagging off the institution for the farce it is.

Voting UKIP now as opposed to five years time after a Labour/Conservative gov gets in again and #s the place up is the difference between five years of pain or five of hope and opportunity.

Anyone who doesn't want to be held to ransom by the IMF, ECB, BIS, BoE, WorldBank, the happy merchant etc. etc. , you need to vote UKIP in may.

Don't get swayed by the media (and forum sliders) attack on the man, remember the policies.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

The Middle East!!!!!!!!! Excuse me whilst I roll round the floor laughing prior to vomiting.

Wherever you go my friend you will find that YOU have to adapt to the laws of the Country you elect to reside in. Not like England (and Oz) where immigrants demand (and get) to live under THEIR laws as well as demanding (and getting) changes to current lifestyles because it 'offends' them. The laughable part is that our respective governments bow to these demands. I am amazed that so-called refugee's can come to my town without 2 cents to scratch their backsides with but within a few weeks are driving around in 4-wheeled drives, have a portable phone permanently stuck in their ear, have innumerable credit cards when paying for their shopping yet don't have a job!

a reply to: TechUnique

you've been back a few times since my replies, started other threads and surely know how to use the reply system, so i'll just have to assume that you have zero class.

a reply to: elysiumfire

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Your prejudice and ignorance are showing.

Immigrants do not force down wages

Do you know anything about supplky and demand because its not too hard to grasp and if we have an over supply of labour then the price goes down or in this case our wages go down and the same happens to house prices if we have more people to home, they go up.

Shout "Wrong" as much as you like but it won't change the laws of supply and demand.

Labour wants more immigrants in because they all just about vote labour and the conseratives want more slave labour to increase the profits for corporations that pay little to no tax so yes with pride i will vote UKIP and hope that get us out of Europe too.

why do you think multiculturalism was put in place?

To try to force the people (sheep) to allow more into the field so that they can all fight over who gets to eat the last blade of grass.

it's not working because half the sheep now sit down (on the dole) and those that still work have seen their take home wealth go down to pay for the sheep that have given in and won't compete for the last blade of grass.

a reply to: LetsGetLayer1




WELCOME to ATS .....

paraphi:

In fact, the regulations will keep it all controlled.

What? Like they did with the banking industry? I think you are being deliberately provocative, because no one can be that genuinely naive and gullible.

When you take something out of the earth like coal and gas and oil by invasive and destructive means, you leave a weakened substrate behind, which eventually collapses. Fracking has got to be one of the worse ideas for oil supplement there is, and especially so for Britain.

VirusGuard

Do you know anything about supply and demand, it's not hard to understand...

You'd be quite amusing if you were not so amateur in your discernment.

...if we have an over supply of labour then the price goes down or in this case our wages go down and the same happens to house prices if we have more people to home...

With this quote it is quite clear that you yourself do not fully comprehend your own scenario. An over supply of Labour does not automatically equate to lower wages, nor does an abundance of buyers for homes equate to lower house prices...how can they? Two aspects control prices and wages, monopolies and what people are willing to accept for a wage or for a price. It doesn't matter how may buyers there are, or how large the surplus labour market is, it is all about controlling what is available for price and wage, and it is not the immigrants that do that, employers and government do.

Remember, immigrants will gladly accept a wage level you probably won't accept until you had no other option but to accept it. That's got nothing whatsoever to do with supply and demand. Every time you pass over a job because of the low level of the wage, an immigrant will accept it. Currently, the level of people wanting work is an employer's wet dream. When you factor in the government's austerity measures that have been implemented on the unemployed, desperation becomes something more than a harsh circumstance, it becomes a punishment in your own personal economy.

There is currently in this country, and I would think it similar in other western countries, an over-abundance of umenployed people aged over 50 years old. That's a vast amount of qualification and experience being allowed to go to waste. I know this from direct experience.

I was made redundant in September 2012. The cause was the deregulation of the banking industry from the 80's onwards, which ultimately led to the crash of 2008. This crash was a device used to level the global finance industry and make it uniform and controlled centrally. The crash took away the industrial economies of companies, the one I worked for being one of them, but they managed to hold onto me until they finally had to succumb to redundancies in 2012.

This was the first time I had been unemployed for over 36 years. I spent 25 of those years in lower to middle management, gained all the experience and qualifications, but I also reached over 50 years old, and once I was made redundant in September, thinking that my qualifications and experience would benefit me, I found that no company wanted me, no matter how many applications I sent out. I didn't sign onto the dole or any other benefit until late January of 2013, I lived off my redundancy pay. What followed was 14 months of sheer hell and frustration.

Eventually, 14 months later, I got a job, for which all my experience and qualifications count for nought. I am now an operative on £7 an hour. As with many others, I didn't lose my job, I didn't cause the banking crash, but I became one of the many people who paid for it in very harsh terms. I now live on a wage that just helps me to survive and pay my bills.

I took £7 an hour because as qualified and as experienced as I am, no company would touch me. My situation (like many others) was a limbo of attrition, caused not by an over-abundance in the labour market, but by government financial deregulatory policies and exploitative employers. The situation remains the same to this day. I had to drastically tone down my CV in order to get interviews and actually be seen. Economic circumstances forces us to take the low-paying work, not immigrants or an over-abundance of labour. Government and employers rely on harsh circumstances so they can exploit them to their benefit.

The size of labour surplus is irrelevant now, what is relevant is who is willing to accept a low-paying wage, because that is where the benefit to exploitative employers lies.

originally posted by: elysiumfire


When you take something out of the earth like coal and gas and oil by invasive and destructive means, you leave a weakened substrate behind, which eventually collapses. Fracking has got to be one of the worse ideas for oil supplement there is, and especially so for Britain.

Whoa! .... I live in the North East, in an old mining village, some

big houses much extended (formally the residence of local mine

owners and dignitaries) Terraced cottages with new extensions

(previously housing for miners) and fairly recently built *new estates*


Dotted around the village are about half a dozen 'pit shafts' or 'pit

heads'.


So by your reconing .... Me and a few thousand residents of a very

sought after area in the north east should be living in a weakened

substructure of collapsed rubble? .... NOT SO

a reply to: TechUnique

The queen (of England) owns land, etc., but the government administers it, it gross's roughly £15 billion a year, the government then gives the queen about 15% of that, which is spent on wages for gardeners, cooks, painters, drivers, stone masons, bricklayers, farm workers, coach workers/drivers, and many more. (who pay income tax)

he's a libetarian.
cryptonite to the ignoramus.