The west underestimates ISIS

The west underestimates ISIS

Or at least according to this guy they do,

His name is Juergen Todenhoefer, and he is the first western reporter to be embedded within ISIS to come back alive. Some of the things he found out... some of the things he had to say about ISIS were truly fascinating and eye opening. I thought these guys were nuts, I thought they were relatively small compared to other Jihadist movements... I was wrong.

This reporter was with them for quite a while and he even brought his son with him, no mention of the boys age in the article or how long the reporter was actually amongst ISIS fighters. The reason i say he was with them for quite a while is that he has learned quite a few things that i personally think point to him being there for a longer time, maybe a few months.

Ahead of further publications on ISIS, the journalist (a former MP with the Cdu of Chancellor Angela Merkel) summed up his ''seven strongest impressions'' on his website. ''ISIS fighters are smarter and more dangerous than our politicians imagine: in a few months ISIS has conquered a territory as large as Great Britain. Al Qaeda is a dwarf in comparison''.

Todenhoefer directly observed how ''the inflow of new fighters grows every day''. He denied that only ''defeated'' youth are arriving from the West, rather describing new fighters as ''euphoric'' and hailing from the US, Great Britain, Sweden, Russia, France and Germany. As far as domestic security and welfare, the territory controlled by ISIS works as well as a State, just like other regimes in the region, said the reporter. The German journalist also noted that ISIS ''is a movement representing 1% (of the world's Islamic population, but is able to produce the effect of a nuclear tsunami''. He said it ''cannot be defeated with bombs and missiles: only moderate Sunni Arabs can stop ISIS, not the West'', concluded Todenhoefer. (ANSAmed)

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Truly frightening, they are expanding fast, a lot faster then what I thought at least.


PS,

First thread,long time lurker.

Don't crucify me please,also sorry if I'm posting in the wrong forum mods.

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a reply to: Sremmos80

Ipad + first post, something had to go wrong lol

a reply to: LordOfDestruction

Also the link seems to be busted.
Unless it is just my phone but it opens to a blank page.

At the same time the media is saying that ISIS has lost some key territory to the Kurds in both Syria and Iraq. Also, there are reports that ISIS is having trouble providing basic necessities in cities they control. Supposedly, the water in Mosul is contaminated and can make you sick. ISIS is having a problem supplying chlorine to purify the water. Likewise there has been a breakdown of services in their capital in Syria. Lack of food is becoming a problem and the propaganda videos showing the fighters to be well fed increases the citizens' frustration. Supposedly, those who are maintaining some services are still being paid by the Syrian government. Aid is supposedly smuggled in from American sources. Mobile Oil refineries that the populace has used to support themselves are under attack by US air attacks.

Which of these reports are true? Are they all true but are isolated incidents? How do we know the truth?

He brought his son?

Sounds like an inside job.

When a Muslim Caliphate actually takes hold, it will be a regime of intellect and peace, and THAT is when the rest of the world needs to be very afraid.

If Obama had to bomb the crap out of half the USA to become president, the USA wouldn't be the power it is in the world. If China didn't have questionable territories in its' fold and was absolutely united, it would be the superior power.

As long as ISIS is having to make war on other muslims, they're self-defeating.

The real caliph will not invade his people, they will come to him. And that's when we need to start counting the muslims in the world, and their proliferation, and say "Oh..........Crap."

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a reply to: feldercarb

You are so right, the truth is out there somewhere but by the time we hear something it has already been changed and edited so much. Like that telephone game you play when you're little, you tell one kid a word, he tells someone else, by the time the last kid gets it its something totally different.

I wish I could tell you what is true or not, I can tell you what I believe. I believe this man was there for a while, I believe he is telling the truth.

Isis does not have any difficulty expanding it seems, that does not mean they wont have difficulty with supply's and basic necessities. Many empires were huge and fell apart as a result of even smaller reasons.

a reply to: TheBlackTiger

So true, I was just reading about Salafi Muslims attacking Sufi Muslim shrines and other places they consider holy, it reminds me of the war in my country, Yugoslavia. War is so much more messed up when everyone speaks the same language and looks the same.

But you are right, it's when the Middle East is at peace that the west has to truly get worried, if you think about it the crusades never really ended. People have been trying to westernize that part of the world forever, it's just not meant to be

originally posted by: LordOfDestruction
a reply to: TheBlackTiger

So true, I was just reading about Salafi Muslims attacking Sufi Muslim shrines and other places they consider holy, it reminds me of the war in my country, Yugoslavia. War is so much more messed up when everyone speaks the same language and looks the same.

But you are right, it's when the Middle East is at peace that the west has to truly get worried you think about it the crusades never really ended. People have been trying to westernize that part of the world forever, it's just not meant to be

Is that a realistic conclusion though? It seems like everyone over there has their own economic, political, ideological, or other competing agenda and ideas that they want to see brought to the forefront. So many other countries are involved both politically and economically in the middle east that the notion of the middle east coming together for peace seems impossible to me.

a reply to: justwanttofly

People in the middle east want to come together for peace, nobody wants war, nobody but people that can profit from it. People have been using that part of the world as their personal testing ground for whatever messed up ideas they have in their heads forever. These people have been oppressed for thousands of years, all they know is fighting and violence, they all got short fuses, but deep down they still want peace, you would have to be crazy to want anything else.

I wonder what the next gang names they will come up with next for over there. More people are becoming more sick in the brain. Maybe we have an epademic of madness. Something in the air for people to act this way. My advice is to stay away from the bath salts and the crack. Stop sniffing that stuff in the stores and pull up your pants. I'm tired of helping lost customers in stores. I even overheard a kid call someone and say that he was lost at wallmart and he needed someone to come pick him up. Stay off the drugs people, look at what it does to the minds of the people who are constantly on that junk over in these countries. Highly dislusional and mad in the brain. Sick and sad.

the west underestimates *the cost of funding* ISIS

a reply to: sweord
Indeed

a reply to: cloaked4u

These people have been messed with for thousands of years, no bath salts, crack or any other hard drugs involved. If they had drugs it would be even crazier, I mean look at all the druggies, in America or where I'm from in Canada, this part of the world is going just as mad. Police shooting innocent people, mentally unstable people shooting everyone else, maybe il get a one way ticket to the Middle East.

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Tell them to stop funding them the psychosceezophrenic drug too. THEY all will get worse before they get better. Watch for the withdrawl symptoms. Fits and tempertantrums and crying jags.

M'ehh ISIS;

Nothing a few pork bombs and bacon bullets wont send screaming away like little girls.

Problem is that everyone is so damned PC these days no army has the stones to fight fire with fire.

a reply to: TheBlackTiger

That makes complete sense. Well said.

Still, if not enough fight this "1%" of the population, they can dominate, rule and control via fear.

In some ways a "Caliphate", at least the physical location, etc. makes it easier to defeat than a multinational guerrilla force that attacks randomly.

A pox on 'em both...LOL

a reply to: cloaked4u

It can't get any worse I'm afraid, the time for tantrums and crying jags is over, it's turned into a bath salt cannibal, the only thing left to do is to put it out of its misery.

a reply to: markosity1973

Well all the Islamic countries around the area cant, these guys are taking out everything, kids, women, dogs. Everything they have they capture, they got some serious firepower now. The west ain't gonna do a damn thing about it either, because once ISIS clears out everybody and sets up a nice legit country we will be Rollin into bed with them. I mean we are already funding their operations now, that's the whole gameplay i think, fund them so they can all group up into one big country, that way it will be easier to control.