The Book of Daniel Finally Being Unsealed

originally posted by: TechUnique


Man, It was better than that 3-4 years ago. I've been so busy over the past few years even ATS has changed dramatically.

There are only a few sites I won't even look at. Before it's News is one of them. I'd say they are outright lying about 95% of the time. Linking to them is frowned on or banned on ATS. They only care about money from web clicks I think. Let's not encourage them.

**ALL MEMBERS*** Before Its News as a source
~Springer

*** ALL MEMBERS *** "Turner Radio Network" as a source.
~_BoneZ_

I'll have to read the OP, but all the sudden I am being called away. Until later..

a reply to: winterkill

If its really what it says…

Big 'if'.

Sorry, I've learned to be all about the iffy when it comes to Israel's version of events.

All this having been said, does anyone see the ramifications of this find.
a. Daniel was indeed sealed until the far future
b. It was accurate, and used the future calendar years, not those of the time.
c. What capacity did the being Gabriel have that he could either forsee, or possibly time travelled to witness the events.
d. If these are accurate, which others are also

a reply to: winterkill

200 BCE

Much earlier than that, it details the 400 years between the end of the OT and the writing of the NT, it details the Greek empire and Alexander and the splitting of his empire after his death. The book was written during the Babylonian captivity and that began in 605 B.C.

originally posted by: intrptr

Another interpretation that has the Jews center stage. Imagine that.

He was given prophecies about the Jews and Israel, he was a prophet of YHWH. No need to imagine. His prophecy from Gabriel telling of the precise day Jesus would ride into Jerusalem as the Moshiach Nagid is the most astounding prophecy in the Bible, it was nailed down to the very day.

a reply to: winterkill

The prophecy is totally off about Daniel 9, it's not any mystery to anyone who has done their homework. And it not only talks about the destruction of the temple, but it extends to the third temple and the coming antichrist.

Here, this is the best exegesis and prophetic interpretation I'm aware of:



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God bless, and happy holidays.

first off the project was not conducted by the 'before its news' organization...
they were only reporting the careful decoding/translations by another well certified-as-legit outfit :

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The Chronicle Project Organization

This might be about to change, with the findings of the Chronicle Project Research Group of Canada. The Chronicle Project has restored what they say are the original meanings of Daniel 9:24 – 27 using a system embedded in the ancient Hebrew language at it inception, that the group discovered in 2009.

This system is known as Self Defining Hebrew and uses a glyph/concept system much like the ancient hieroglyphs of Egypt, rather than the phonetic system that is presently used.

Here is a link to their research notes: thechronicleproject.org...

source: web address://the chronicle project . organization

...The system allows for a muliple level check on the meaning of each word, thus allowing restorations of words that only appear once in Daniel and no where else in the bible. The present system of translation lacks this capacity, thus lending to the disputes among scholars of ancient Hebrew.

When this new system was applied to the verses in Daniel, the results were astounding.

The material when restored, contained the prediction of the first great Jewish – Roman war, beginning with the revolt of the Jews and ending with the fall of Jerusalem, its people and the temple at the hands of the Roman army. It predicts the year 70 CE, the seven months of warfare and the seventy thousand man Roman army.

being a student of prophecy (not to be confused with Supernatural hocus-pocus/Religion) I will continue to follow up on this Chronicle Project out of Canada to see what they have got on deciphering/decoding/unsealing the Book of Daniel..

an.thechronicleproject.org.onlinenoffline.com...

thanks

a reply to: winterkill
It is so easy to notice the snakes in the grass. I thank God for the spiritual gift of discernment. If only i had the power to open the eyes of the masses.

originally posted by: Yahwehorthehighway
a reply to: winterkill
It is so easy to notice the snakes in the grass. I thank God for the spiritual gift of discernment. If only i had the power to open the eyes of the masses.

Amen to that. And thank you Winterkill for the heads up about this in your OP.

NOTurTypical, those are great lectures by Missler, thanks for linking them.

This just reinforces my belief.

Merry Christmas ATS

Peace,
Steve

a reply to: stosh64

NP, his is the best exegetical commentary I have seen on Daniel 9, it was extremely enlightening for me.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

He was given prophecies about the Jews and Israel, he was a prophet of YHWH. No need to imagine.

Yes, Holy Land (special dirt) and the Chosen Ones (special people). Thanks, I know where thats leading.

There are no special people, places or things.

a reply to: intrptr


Not to us there isn't, but we need to determine what God says and what is the view from His vantage point. He is the one that sent Gabriel to speak to Daniel in the vision.

In all honesty I haven't given this a thorough analysis, at least yet. But, I think this is much less impressive than it is being portrayed as. Even assuming the basic translation is correct, all of the vital information that makes it supposedly so impressive is being interpolated.

originally posted by: winterkill
For those who can't link to the verses:
v24 Seventy! Seventy (C.E.) therefore to break up your (nation), shall come upon your people and to come upon your revered city (Jerusalem). For all shall begin to revolt. And toward the (people) shall arise continuous atrocities.

First of all, here he is just saying seventy. It does seem a bit odd that Daniel would have used the measurement of time created around the purported birth of Christ, a few hundred years later. It was only centuries later that a system of dating would be created that would create a zero-point around Jesus, making that year 'seventy.' But, there is much more than this.

v25 And continue to know and proceed to inform; a come forth is decreed, derived of the elders and family lines of Jerusalem unto the high priest. Therefore this shall come first, seventy (CE), seven (months of warfare) and seventy (thousand men).

Sixty and (two) years, to proceed to return (*) (*) and to withdraw being to position. And amid distress, the times shall pass.

Now, something needs to be understood. Any time a translation puts something in parentheses, it means that it wasn't actually written in the original language. The translator interpolated it. So, to take the two relevant sentences, it really just says...
"Therefore this shall come first, seventy, seven, and seventy.
Sixty years, to proceed to return..."
The translator added 'CE' to the first seventy, 'months of warfare' to seven, and 'thousand men' to the second seventy. The original actually said 'sixty years,' but he added a two to make it line up.

And just in the rest of it as well, keep in mind everything that was in parentheses wasn't actually in the original writing. But I must give them credit, they were actually honest in their presentation of their translation, using parentheses to indicate what wasn't actually in the text. Very intellectually honest. Though it does reveal that this is really just an interpretation, rather than some newly discovered way of translating it. Not everyone is aware that parentheses means it wasn't actually in the original text. But I do commend people who use parentheses in their translations, as it is useful in figuring out the reality of the original text vs. the way it is translated.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

…we need to determine what God say…

Look within, not to a book written by others. Everyone has a soul, that is the conduit for wisdom and guidance.

A book is a tutorial but not a source. The key eventually is to find out where the people that wrote scripture got their "information".

Personally, I think 'prophets' were taken in spirit and shown the future (now) having no clue what thy were seeing in the modern age. We take our world for granted, they spoke in symbology, struggling to understand what they were witnessing.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: NOTurTypical

He was given prophecies about the Jews and Israel, he was a prophet of YHWH. No need to imagine.

Yes, Holy Land (special dirt) and the Chosen Ones (special people). Thanks, I know where thats leading.

There are no special people, places or things.

Well not now.

Even god got sick of the antics of the jews.

Hence why he destroyed there nation twice in the bible and since jesus they are not his chosen people anymore


I always wondered why god never picked a smarter,loyal, less pig headed people as his chosen people like the japanese or koreans.

a reply to: crazyewok

Not exactly true, they were judged for their sin and they were dispersed amongst the nations like was prophesied, but they were also promised they would be regathered. That they would be back in the land and even their original native tongue returned. I believe the prophesy of the diaspora was given to Jeremiah, and they were regathered to the very day. Paul hammers away for 3 chapters in Romans (9,10 & 11) that the Jews have a prophetic destiny.

The reason God put Abraham in the deep sleep and passed through the animal halves on His own was that the covenant rested on His faithfulness, not man's.

a reply to: intrptr

Look within, not to a book written by others.

Well, the thread and OP is about the book of Daniel.

Personally, I think 'prophets' were taken in spirit and shown the future (now) having no clue what thy were seeing in the modern age. We take our world for granted, they spoke in symbology, struggling to understand what they were witnessing.

Not necessarily, what good is prophecy if no one understands it? In fact the reason Jesus cursed the Jews and put them under spiritual blindness is because they didn't know the "day of their visitation". Gabriel gave Daniel the prophecy when He would ride into town as the Messiah King down to the very day, and Jesus held them accountable for not knowing it. It's the most astounding prophecy in the OT.

a reply to: crazyewok

I always wondered why god never picked a smarter,loyal, less pig headed people as his chosen people like the japanese or koreans.

Because Japan and Korea weren't the hub of world trade back then?

All roads led to Jerusalem (Rome) back then. Follow the money.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

Well, the thread and OP is about the book of Daniel.

Okay, thanks for the reminder. I dig it for its foretelling, too.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: crazyewok

I always wondered why god never picked a smarter,loyal, less pig headed people as his chosen people like the japanese or koreans.

Because Japan and Korea weren't the hub of world trade back then?

All roads led to Jerusalem (Rome) back then. Follow the money.

Oh nonsense, Jerusalem isn't on a seaport and not on a major river.