Let there be light!....(Putin) Ukraine cuts power temporarily to Crimea

a reply to: paraphi

Er, no they don't. That's a starement that flies in the face of the evidence.

What evidence threatening, Serbia, Bulgaria, Iraq, Iran Syria, Libya, Russia and so on ?

Er, Russia is looking out for their own interests, which is why practically all ex Soviet vassals have run from their warm embrace.

No, they have also good connections with other surrounding countries, even to some degree with Ukraine before US had to mess things up. And if that hadn`t been the case, Ukrainians would have been all cheering to join the EU for sure one year ago, which they weren`t.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Your reply is not in sync with what you stated. You need to rewind, read and then reply properly.

It's lazy to blame everything on the US, when Russia has squandered opportunitty after opportunity to keep Eastern Europe within "their" sphere. Countries reject Russian autocracy and corruption and look to the EU where there are better prospects. Russia has totally misplayed Ukraine and to think that after invading Crimea Ukraine still wants to be friends. The niavity and stupidity of Russian policy since te fall of the Soviets is a lesson in how not to run a country.

Regards

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

You keep demonstrating your lack of knowledge of the situation in every post. How is illegally seizing territory from a neutral neighbor "standing up to America?" Was America's invasion of Iraq "standing up to Russia?"

Crimea wasn't illegally seized. Ukraine did not have a legitimate government at the time so they sided with the only power that had it's affairs in order and in a position to take action. There were no democratic elections at the time, the impeachment was done in absentia.

You think that just because the US Canada and the UK put their arm around some goofy ex-central banker in the Ukraine that makes it a legitimate government?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

It said, I was thinking you weren`t capable of looking it at as anything else as, "if you don`t support the The West its foreign policy, you must be a pro-Putin fan."

Except I said nothing of the sort......

Only the OP is the one who might be confused reading the posts, so you were clearly referring to me and stirling when you said guys, because the other two are anti-Putin.

I refered directly to the people who assumed it was Putin who shut down the power........I was also very clear about that...

Just a simple logic conclusion which was right on the money.

Your opinion isnt the same as facts, but thats a very nice brush youre painting all Americans with, perhaps some reflection is in order before generalizing a whole group of people, you effectively made yourself out to be exactly what you were accusing others of being, with that simple accusation....

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Sometimes the Devil you know is better then the Devil you dont.

& sometimes the Devil you know, tells us that the Devil we don't is a Devil, while masquerading as a Saviour...



However I have no Dog in this fight & I agree with your first sentiment.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Crimea wasn't illegally seized.

Ha ha ha

Damn you guys are funny!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Sometimes the Devil you know is better then the Devil you dont.

& sometimes the Devil you know, tells us that the Devil we don't is a Devil, while masquerading as a Saviour...



However I have no Dog in this fight & I agree with your first sentiment.

quite true........

if im honest I respect putin because all in all the guy does exactly what he says hes going to do and doesnt take any guff.....

However the other half of me feels this guy has all the makings of a mob style dictator.......

however his approval rating, if the stats arent fudged , is really high........

So if the people are with him who am I to say anything.......

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yeah I'm the same really pal.


Putin commands respect that's for sure.

I find his dealings with protecting Assad to be a bit much for my liking...



Other than that, can't really fault him.


Happy Holidays matey.

a reply to: paraphi

Georgia being not totally a US puppet regime are making friendly gestures again towards Russia, hence the reason they now have installed a US puppet regime in the Ukraine, same as with the Baltic Sates and Poland.

- Armenia–Russia relations are good

- Turkmenistan-Russia is ok

- Bulgaria-Russia is good

- Azerbaijan was also made an US puppet State because of the natural resources

So, the so called hostile countries have all been taken over by US puppet regimes and the others are not so much into that game, but that`s not something which you will hear from our Western talking heads.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I refered directly to the people who assumed it was Putin who shut down the power........I was also very clear about that...

Seeing that the OP didn`t got one Flag, it was safe to assume you were referring to the only two who had posted in something which could been seen as pro-Putin, because you talked in plural.

Your opinion isnt the same as facts, but thats a very nice brush youre painting all Americans with, perhaps some reflection is in order before generalizing a whole group of people, you effectively made yourself out to be exactly what you were accusing others of being, with that simple accusation....

There`s about 30%/40% of Americans who are reasonable educated about what is going on.

I can give a clear example about the differences regarding other countries...

In `03 on average 90% of the people were against the Iraq War in the rest of The World with only a few % pro and the rest undecided. However the US was the only country which had a number which deviated significantly from that number with 53% who were pro that war, and some who were undecided and between 30/40% (the pro number I still remember exactly, the against not quite, but was between that number) who were against it.

That means you could run up to a random American back then and most likely he wasn`t against it. But if you were running up to a person from anywhere else in the World he was probably against it. That`s not something which can be discarded that easily.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Ah, so any sovereign nation who does not slavishly bow down to Russian authority is a US puppet? Such a simple way to order your worldview, yet how wrong too.

Of course, Georgia is another country Russia has overtly meddled in causing the South Ossetia War and ensuring Georgia would move westward. Why do Russian's and their supporters act surprised by Ukraine wanting to run from Russia's brotherly attention?

Regards

a reply to: paraphi

Ah, so any sovereign nation who does not slavishly bow down to Russian authority is a US puppet! Ah, such a simple way to order your worldview, yet how wrong too.

No, everyone who bows down to what the US wants is an US puppet, that has nothing to do with bowing down to Russian authority.

Why do Russian's and their supporters act surprised by Ukraine wanting to run from Russia's brotherly attention?

The population of Ukraine wanted to stay independent form both sides, which was fine by Russia. Russia even was willing to let Ukraine have a trade agreement with the EU, it would have however put up restrictions to protect its own market. The only thing it didn`t want was a US puppet regime and NATO at its borders (after already having The Baltic States, Poland and other European countries being NATO).

Russia will retore water and power in no time for the Crimea but i think the protests kicking off in Kiev might result in the rest of the Ukraine being without power because the country can not afford to pay its workers ans still needs to pay the rest of its gas bill.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Since Russia is all high and mighty with international law lately

Russia has not attacked five countries in the past five years or has pissed off half the world but the USA has so who's so "high and mighty" when they try to re write what torture is and whats allowed and whats not.

This is Putin getting what he deserves for acting like Hitler and Stalin

In your dreams and your statement goes to show that you skipped too many history lesson whilst at school.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Yeah their government was valid being they were elected in 2012 and those elections were signed off on by Russia.
The valid and lawfully elected government of Ukraine voted to impeach Yanukovych per Ukraine law.
Yanukovych, according to Putin, then fled, abandoning his Presidency.

a reply to: VirusGuard

Georgia, Ukraine, Georgia, moldova...

4 out of 5.

Ukraine could always take a page out of Russias book and ban all protests while arresting those who don't agree with the government position.

and no I didn't skip history lessons. Putin did and its evident by his attempt to rewrite history and their collaboration with Nazi Germany.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

There is no Russian authority... Its Russia trying to bully their neighbors to get what they want.

"Russia was willing to let Ukraine"

That mentality is the problem. Its not up to Russia, its up to Ukraine to decide their future. That mentality is why the USSR lost the cold war. That mentality is why the USSR failed. That mentality is why Putin and Russia are in the mess they are in.

Russia is not more important than Ukraine.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Happy Holidays!

Merry ChrismaHaunaQuansica?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Ukraine could always take a page out of Russias book and ban all protests while arresting those who don't agree with the government position.

Already happening...

The man decided to come to Russia and talk to journalists, because the Security Service of Ukraine and the National Guard intimidated everyone in Ukraine. "People can be beaten for any careless word they say. They can be jailed for any insignificant suspicion of being sympathetic to Russia or the militia," the man said.

Source

a reply to: Xcathdra

That mentality is the problem. Its not up to Russia, its up to Ukraine to decide their future. That mentality is why the USSR lost the cold war. That mentality is why the USSR failed. That mentality is why Putin and Russia are in the mess they are in.

It`s not up to Russia to come up for its own interests ?

It`s of course up the US to decide what`s in the best interests of Russia. LMAO!

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Yeah their government was valid being they were elected in 2012 and those elections were signed off on by Russia.
The valid and lawfully elected government of Ukraine voted to impeach Yanukovych per Ukraine law.
Yanukovych, according to Putin, then fled, abandoning his Presidency.

impeachment was not complete. Impeachment was filed but no completed. Yanukovych claimed in the week after that he was still the president. So he was not fleeing his presidency, he was fleeing violent protesters. Putin obviously said "to hell with that guy" and secured an asset that likely would not have been honoured by the new coup created government.

Seems legit to me.

How is Ukraine doing now anyway? Seems things may have been a little better under Yanukovych. At least they had allies that would stand up for them. Now they have nothing. Good job!!