Bizarre Twist In Sony / NK Situation: Was The Sony Attack Internal - Made To Look Like NK Did It???

a reply to: cuckooold

Players - plural. More to come.

a reply to: Hefficide

Intriguing as always, Daryl. Im of the opinion that either the hackers did this of their own volition and the US government simply capitalised on the situation... or else they subcontracted out the job to wash their own hands of it.

Either way it seems to have benefited the victims, and painted a crosshair on the alleged purpetrator...



a reply to: AdmireTheDistance
You are exactly right, who would vouch for north korea?

originally posted by: cuckooold
I am personally suspicious regarding the involvement of North Korea, but there are valid reasons suggesting why it is not in Sony's interest either. It seems Sony have little to gain, and a lot to lose.

Another player perhaps?

I have no doubt that SONY was hacked by "someone", they didn't hack themselves.
However it was very unlikely North Korea, and it was NOT about this mediocre movie.

If you read what has been published of the hacker messages/emails, to me it looks like we don't have the entire picture here.
(Easily proven since no-one knows what the EXACT demands of the hacker(s) were...nor an actual given reason where the hacker would have said WHY exactly he/she/they have hacked them. For example, the hackers use phrases like "you know us"...or make it seem like that SONY knows exactly WHY they are getting "punished" etc....there is information missing and I BELIEVE that SONY might hold something back. And they hold something back because it might be damaging for them. What we see here is merely the tip of the iceberg I think.

Also..don't forget that for the hacker(s), the sudden idea brought in by the press that it was bout the movie, after some thinking, likely was a god-given! After the 3rd or 4th email they *suddenly* pretended rather halfa$$-ish they'd care about the movie, but likely more as a welcome tactic to help them disguise their identity. (Because if they were NOT North Koreans, what better could happen than the world and possibly the FBI and everyone really believing it WAS them Of course you would play along. And add some "remember 9/11" nonsense too to make the illusion perfect : )

I really hope I'm wrong on this (as no one has mentioned this angle yet), but after looking at the attack from China picture that Hefficide posted (on page 1), it seems all the attacks are listed as being targeted at Saint Louis?

Could it be that after the Ferguson and now the Berkeley shootings, and the protesting - that they now want to take out the internet in that area - so whatever transpires in the next few days cannot get out via social media?

I'm not sure how China fits into this, but is it not beyond the realm of possibility that certain agencies are doing their own work and just making it look like China is responsible?

Perhaps this Sony hacking/Interview movie is just a sideshow before the main event.

Or possibly I am up too late/early and my mind is spinning into overdrive. @_@

Happy Christmas all.

Looks to me like they did it for the free publicity!
the film is reclining for X-mas.

I will not pay to see this film.

a reply to: buddha

There are several articles, threads, and posts discussing the fact that Sony stands to lose a LOT of money over this episode. Not just receipts from a film, but a flurry of lawsuits from the leaked internal documents. They are also likely to lose several of their biggest contracted actors and possibly even lucrative franchises.

And we still do not know if all of the "embarrassing information" that "Lena" obtained has been leaked yet or not.

As for scorekeeping: So far the hack has publicly blamed upon:

North Korea
Sony
Guardians of Peace
Lizard Squad
Lena

There are further actors / suspects that are part of a future thread - once due diligence is finished.

Watching the Norse ( IPViking ) is not watching a cyber war, it's like watching a war game.

I don't think it officially Sony or NK. There is some 3rd party doing it for some game. Never count out the individuals in the US government working to influencing Congress by example.

a reply to: roadgravel

Fair enough... Explain to me how real time packet traffic equates to a war game as opposed to an actual attack? IPViking is not a simulation - it is a traffic monitor.

The more stuff I read in this thread the more I'm reminded of this movie. Come to think of it, some of this isis stuff seems the same way. What do you think?

originally posted by: cuckooold
In an interesting although somewhat dismissive article from Gizmodo, it is discussed why it's probably not I the interests of Sony to hack themselves.

www.gizmodo.com.au...

The Sony hack is a terrible, awful thing that’s going to leave thousands of everyday employees dealing with the repercussions for years to come. But! At least there’s a crazy, ranting, sheeple-slaying silver lining. Friends, allow us to introduce you to the Sony hack truthers. There are a lot of them.

Their theories inhabit a wide range of crazy — from maybe-something’s-up scepticism to jet-fuel-can’t-melt-steel absurdity — but each is beautiful in its own, special way. Is it all just one big PR stunt? Did Obama orchestrate the Sony hack with the FBI to reintroduce SOPA legislation? Is this the same Big Brother group that went after Donald Sterling? Can we get Michael Jackson involved somehow? Sure! All of the above. Let’s take a tour.

Ok, fairly dismissive so far, but also showing a lot of 'tweets' from people who support the idea of a possible Sony hack.

This however makes me question if it was in Sony's interest;

It’s important to keep in mind that, in reality, all this leaked data was devastating, both to Sony and its employees. Thousands of social security numbers were plastered up for the world to see. Sony may be releasing The Interview in a few hundred US theatres now, but that’s nothing compared to the thousands that they had been slated to previously. Plus, Sony is going to be dealing with the residual lawsuits for years.

Not to mention the fact that this isn’t a movie that Sony Pictures even likes very much! There will be no Oscar buzz. In any other scenario, the movie would have premiered to ok-ish box office numbers and immediately been forgotten about. There is absolutely no reason for Sony to risk its own livelihood — not to mention committing a federal offence or two in the process — on such a dumb, unspectacular, mediocre film.

I am personally suspicious regarding the involvement of North Korea, but there are valid reasons suggesting why it is not in Sony's interest either. It seems Sony have little to gain, and a lot to lose.

Another player perhaps?

Lol Sony truthers.
Love the term.

Let's get down and conspiratorial....

We all know there is a history of Hollywood clandestinely doing propaganda for the US govt, just look at the WWII era.
What if the US govt. hired out Sony to make this N Korea spoof film? So Sony would chug along thinking money in the bank and Uncle Sam as backup. Then the controversy hits, they get hacked, and bam.....team Obama throws them under the bus after his crack team of race baiters go into Sony and get what they were really after, racially incriminating evidence they use to set up their man Al Sharpton as racial overlord over all of their cinematic content.

This is better than jet fuel, chemtrails or reptilians.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: roadgravel

Fair enough... Explain to me how real time packet traffic equates to a war game as opposed to an actual attack? IPViking is not a simulation - it is a traffic monitor.

Because the targets are not real world targets, they are set up specifically for monitoring. Sure it is real traffic, much like real bullets can be fired in an exercise. But it is not showing attacks against specific business targets.

a reply to: roadgravel

The Norse monintoring posts are part of the information flow, like hubs are. They are not destinations - but selected points on the backbone to monitor traffic - specifically known exploits, such as packetstorms and port attacks.

SWIM told me that what makes it even more silly is that there is now a digital copy floating around on the internet for free download.
So even if this was a major political or PR stunt, them it backfired because they let it go on too long....

a reply to: IWasHereEonsAgo

Sony decided to show it in theaters and online ( for a fee ) and, as it stands now, just in roughly fourteen hours it is poised to be the most pirated movie of the year.

a reply to: Hefficide

All they can say is they detect a certain volume of traffic which is intent attacks against sites. Those sites are not actual businesses or institutions.

Norse operates a global Tier 1 carrier-grade network of more than 8 million sensors, purpose-built for being attacked.
...
When our sensors are hit, they trace those threats back to the source, then deliver that information to you

Off-topic but does anyone remember what this guy said? Make sure to take your cameras out and look up at the sky. Incidently, someone said that they are spraying chemtrails in Arizona(if you remember, this chemtrail thing coincided with the UFO/Blossom GoodChild movement), where Sedona is. However, they said it will be cities throughout the world, so please, take your cameras out.

gfbymikequinsey.blogspot.com...

a reply to: Hefficide

Hefficide,

Am I right in thinking Sony is a Japanese company and Japan has a poor relation with NK,

Everyone is jumping on the wagon about this film, but wasn't the Sony PlayStation network also hacked recently???

It looks like an inside job to me, but there may be some truth to the NK spin also. As more of Sony has Been attacked

Maybe we are all looking at this wrong, maybe it is about NK vs Japan???? And America does what it does best..... Use someone else's disaster to their own gain

a reply to: np6888

Galactic Federation... dont count on it. Well known for not following through. Also, dont send them any money



a reply to: Phatdamage
While they do have a rivalry of sorts, and Japan feels threatened, I dont think NK would shoot itself in the foot overtly... they know its suicide to piss off the United States in anything other than rhetoric, and NK's been on America's any-excuse-to-invade list for years...

That's not to say it couldnt have been. But this was Sony of America, not the Japanese headquarters.

originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
You know what saddens me? people bought into the NK attack hook line and sinker just because the government told them so. even on ATS, so much for critical thinking.
right off to trust the government, the same one that told you there were weapons of mass distruction, the government of "we are not reading your emails" and "you can keep your doctor if you like it!" the government that thinks julian assange is a terrorist and that the people that caused the recession need bail out.
That is the government you guys trust?
Good to know. I'm sure you will be fine.
Also NK got internet what 5 years ago? they are probably still using 56K modems

What makes you think that all those who bought into it, are actually real people behind a computer?

Remember not long ago we found out about all those intel agencies programs and sophisticated computer software?
The ones where they were using them to make fake facebook profiles that me and you couldn't tell the difference between the fake and real ones? The ones where they were using them to influence online polls and discussion forums?

Anyone noticed lately what's going on here at ATS?
Delve into a thread about Russia or Ukraine. There's a handful of "people" who shut down any actual debate with their anti-Russia pro-USA/Ukraine rhetoric.

You then have other threads and topics, which have a bunch of posts basically trumpeting the mainstream bs.

I'm not saying that's whats going on here. But I wouldn't rule it out, given how popular ATS is.

Of course there's also just as much probability if not more that it's actually real people behind the posts.
In which case I truly pity such ignorant individuals in the age of information.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: roadgravel

Fair enough... Explain to me how real time packet traffic equates to a war game as opposed to an actual attack? IPViking is not a simulation - it is a traffic monitor.

IPViking/Norse only shows a select amount of traffic.
It scratches the surface.
There's far more going on then that site is able to show you.