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originally posted by: Entreri06
I disagree about the brown situation. I think he definatly was a garbage person and definitely hit the police officer. However I think all the shots but the shot in the car came as the kid was running away, then trying to surrender.
My personal theory is that the cop did try to grab him through the window to arrest/question him. At that point the officer didn't have browns identification. So brown figured if he could punch him a couple times and escape he was golden. However as the cop started shooting he tried to turn around and surrender but the officer never stopped shooting. No issue of racism, just a possibly good cop who was scared and angry (from being punched) with a body full of adrenalin. That said the citizenry is held accountable for our actions adrenaline or not.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Entreri06
I disagree about the brown situation. I think he definatly was a garbage person and definitely hit the police officer. However I think all the shots but the shot in the car came as the kid was running away, then trying to surrender.
My personal theory is that the cop did try to grab him through the window to arrest/question him. At that point the officer didn't have browns identification. So brown figured if he could punch him a couple times and escape he was golden. However as the cop started shooting he tried to turn around and surrender but the officer never stopped shooting. No issue of racism, just a possibly good cop who was scared and angry (from being punched) with a body full of adrenalin. That said the citizenry is held accountable for our actions adrenaline or not.
I might agree except for the cop looks a little on the soft/wimpy side (not sure how to describe him better), and Brown was a 6'5" 280 pound thug. You really think the cop tried to grab him though his window... I'm 6'5" 285, and muscular. Most of my dealings have cops backing away to create space almost unconsciously. I really do not think this cop was the aggressor, but adrenalin got the best of him.
originally posted by: Entreri06
I think Wilson was put in a crazy situation by Brown and chose wrong. Like you said he seems like a wimp. So when brown punched him a few times he was legitimately afraid and shocked so he started shooting. Brown
Got hit in the hand , realized the cop had let go of him and turns and runs. Wilson scared and pissed steps out of the car shooting. Brown gets hit in the back of the arm. Realizes he's shooting him and turns around to surrender, but Wilson never stopped fireing.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Entreri06
I think Wilson was put in a crazy situation by Brown and chose wrong. Like you said he seems like a wimp. So when brown punched him a few times he was legitimately afraid and shocked so he started shooting. Brown
Got hit in the hand , realized the cop had let go of him and turns and runs. Wilson scared and pissed steps out of the car shooting. Brown gets hit in the back of the arm. Realizes he's shooting him and turns around to surrender, but Wilson never stopped fireing.
A couple of other points...
Wilson missed fired like 3 times, this means that Brown had his hands on the gun to the point he was able to moved the slide back ever so slightly, so Wilson was already in the position he needed to fire, or felt the need to fire, and I can not Monday morning quarterback that.
The eye witnesses were the weakest link. Some said outrageous things like Wilson executed Brown while he was knelling, or shot him in the back... These didn't help at all and only help the grand jury to make their decision as they did.
Some eye witnesses and Wilson's account matched the bullet entries and this was the biggest point to all this in the grand jury's decision.
In the end Brown screwed up and the only thing he might have done to save himself was to just flop on the ground, arms out...anything else meant more bullets.
I mentioned this before but the vast majority of cops are trained, but not in a real situation that causes the fight or flight response. I'm what you would call a harden war vet because I do not get that reaction anymore. Real world events gets you over it after a time, but cops do not get real world events, just practice.
The same thing is seen with MMA/Boxers compared to studio Martial arts. All that training goes out the window when a studio Martial artist gets into a real fight, they end up throwing hey-makers and roundhouses...hehe.
I'm totally convince this is the same case with Wilson... No real right or wrong here though...
originally posted by: TechUnique
A video recorded on a cellphone can be viewed here. Something is seriously not right in your country at the moment guys.. I think it's gonna pop off very soon. Be prepared.
For those who can't watch the video the song goes like this.. "And He’s Dead, Dead, Michael Brown, Deadest man in the whole damn town. His whole life’s long gone, Deader than a roadkill dog"
I can't embed the video as I don't think it is on YouTube yet.
The Free Thought Project
I have a bad feeling about this.. the police and DHS are ready for a full scale war, so are a lot of the people it would seem.. I can feel it throbbing from across the pond.. Be safe guys.
This is making me feel sick..
"Michael Brown learned a lesson about a messin’
With a badass policeman
And he’s bad, bad Michael Brown
Baddest thug in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
Meaner than a junkyard dog
Two men took to fightin’
And Michael punched in through the door
And Michael looked like some old Swiss cheese
His brain was splattered on the floor
And he’s dead, dead Michael Brown
Deadest man in the whole damn town
His whole life’s long gone
Deader than a roadkill dog"
The person who took the video of the incident gave it to TMZ because they were offended by the song and were upset that no one in the room was objecting. A trustee at the Elks Lodge told TMZ many of the hundreds of members of the Glendale Elks Lodge are upset about the song, saying, “It’s deplorable and inappropriate and the Lodge will take disciplinary action against [Fishell] and possibly the people who organized this event.” The trustee added, “We don’t stand for any racist things like this.”
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: nachal
He didn't have a record.
The DA's office even said so.
originally posted by: SubTruth
Empathy and compassion is missing dear reader........If does not return the country is going to fail. The police state will continue to rise and and PTB will win.
Empathy and compassion are the key to fixing 90% of the problems facing this country. These are learned traits so please tech your children and loved ones. Mr. Brown I believe was criminal who by his actions caused his untimely death. That being said he was also a son and grandson and brother. He made a mistake and sadly..........Yes I said sadly paid a terrible price for it.
originally posted by: SubTruth
Empathy and compassion is missing dear reader........If does not return the country is going to fail. The police state will continue to rise and and PTB will win.
Empathy and compassion are the key to fixing 90% of the problems facing this country. These are learned traits so please tech your children and loved ones. Mr. Brown I believe was criminal who by his actions caused his untimely death. That being said he was also a son and grandson and brother. He made a mistake and sadly..........Yes I said sadly paid a terrible price for it.
originally posted by: opethPA
originally posted by: SubTruth
Empathy and compassion is missing dear reader........If does not return the country is going to fail. The police state will continue to rise and and PTB will win.
Empathy and compassion are the key to fixing 90% of the problems facing this country. These are learned traits so please tech your children and loved ones. Mr. Brown I believe was criminal who by his actions caused his untimely death. That being said he was also a son and grandson and brother. He made a mistake and sadly..........Yes I said sadly paid a terrible price for it.
The good thing is, you can make a change by following your advice..
If a criminal ever tries to steal from, murder, rape , hurt you or anyone you care about please make sure to disarm them with empathy and compassion.
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Entreri06
I agree and if you look at my past posts you will see I have called for 24/7 cameras while on duty. I also have called for police departments to not directly get the money they collect by tickets and seizures.
I would also stop the flow of military grade kit and stop no knock raids. Swat team use should be very rare and not a every day event.
originally posted by: TechUnique
A video recorded on a cellphone can be viewed here. Something is seriously not right in your country at the moment guys.. I think it's gonna pop off very soon. Be prepared.
For those who can't watch the video the song goes like this.. "And He’s Dead, Dead, Michael Brown, Deadest man in the whole damn town. His whole life’s long gone, Deader than a roadkill dog"
I can't embed the video as I don't think it is on YouTube yet.
The Free Thought Project
I have a bad feeling about this.. the police and DHS are ready for a full scale war, so are a lot of the people it would seem.. I can feel it throbbing from across the pond.. Be safe guys.
This is making me feel sick..
"Michael Brown learned a lesson about a messin’
With a badass policeman
And he’s bad, bad Michael Brown
Baddest thug in the whole damn town
Badder than old King Kong
Meaner than a junkyard dog
Two men took to fightin’
And Michael punched in through the door
And Michael looked like some old Swiss cheese
His brain was splattered on the floor
And he’s dead, dead Michael Brown
Deadest man in the whole damn town
His whole life’s long gone
Deader than a roadkill dog"
The person who took the video of the incident gave it to TMZ because they were offended by the song and were upset that no one in the room was objecting. A trustee at the Elks Lodge told TMZ many of the hundreds of members of the Glendale Elks Lodge are upset about the song, saying, “It’s deplorable and inappropriate and the Lodge will take disciplinary action against [Fishell] and possibly the people who organized this event.” The trustee added, “We don’t stand for any racist things like this.”
IMHO your right, is the song really crappy morally? Hell Yes!! Is it racist? No
originally posted by: mythots
Why is this racist? Was anything in the song directed towards MB's skin color or is this another case of the boy who cried wolf. In poor taste maybe but nothing about this is racist. I have to assume the OP is racist and likes to whine and cry about nothing to get stars . Or they would have use a headline that was correct when they posted it. This event was not held by the LAPD.