Cyberwar: The Social Singularity Has Happened

Every street samurai worth his salt should be doing all they can now to fight the forces darkness before its too late. Cynicaly it already probably is though.

a reply to: Hefficide

Thanks for one of the more interesting OPs I've seen around here in a while!

This cyber war is, unfortunately, inevitable. Some believe it was always the goal, since the internet originally evolved from ARPANET. But I suspect plans evolved as the internet evolved.

It may get very personal within our lifetimes. I've seen GPS and Google location services locate me down to the exact spot where I was sitting on a couch in my home at my laptop. My location inside my home was clearly marked on a satellite photo view in Google maps - within inches.

Search engines, social media, intelligence agencies, and corporations know way more about most of us than we would probably prefer. And with most people carrying a GPS-enabled phone around, we're not too difficult to locate. And it's not clear whether Google may be changing their motto ("Don't be evil") now that they make military robots for the Defense Department. And of course Sony has their own robot projects.

Posted something online that the government or anyone with money and power doesn't like? Watched a movie that was hacked from Sony and put online? Is that an Amazon drone at the door delivering a Christmas package, or the latest Terminator model?

Or maybe it will be a soft takeover, one we even all buy into voluntarily. Google hired one of the leading proponents of merging human and machine intelligence to be a director of research. He predicts that moment of singularity by 2025 or 2030. Media brainwashing or the CIA's MK-Ultra may become as outdated as neolithic pounding stones. How will anyone hooked in ever know again whether the thoughts in their head are their own?

I am not buying this sorry.

One would think IF sony was engaging in 'cyber warfare' think they would have better IT security.

Chalking this up to another 'corporations are evil thread'.

It's OK. They are showing it now albeit in limited areas. It's shown down the road from me so I will go see it Christmas day.

a reply to: neo96

To think that corporations are not actively engaged in cyber warfare is pretty naive in the extreme.

Proceedings of the 9th International Conference on Cyber Warfare & Security

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
As strange as it sounds, I fully believe that the Internet will be the front line for the next world war. We'll call it "Cyber warfare: The Battleground of the future"

I am not sure how this will come about, but it seems to me that Hackers are the new Terrorists and are becoming a bigger threat than anyone ever imagined. An unseen anonymous enemy is the scariest kind of enemy.

Interesting Article Here Regarding This

You know, before the internet, we had TV, we had telephones, we even had over land mail services. I can just imagine back then someone saying that the next world war would be fought on the telephone system. Ewwwww, scarry! The internet is almost like a virtual reality, therefore we could have an almost virtual world war I suppose, but where is the physical damage? Web sites go down, boo hoo. The internet gets turned off, sh!t happens. People seem to make the internet out to be some form of electronic god, when in actual fact it's just a tool, like a wrench or a screwdriver. Some people know how to use the tool and of course others really need to unplug and send their computers back to the manufacturers. Arpa was much purer than this new "internet," when I started back in 1978, back then only intelligent life swam in the sea of electrons.

If governments were comprised of intelligent people (which they aren't), rather than greed driven power hungry assclowns, they would remove all of their critical systems from VLAN's on the internet and run their own backbones. This of course applies to the idiots running generating stations, water systems, natural gas systems, traffic lights, etc. as well.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: neo96

To be clear: You are refusing to "buy" a proven, admitted, and documented fact as being real because it displeases your political inclinations and narrative?

NOW I understand Republicans.

a reply to: Hefficide

Taking Eisenhowers speech out of context is not 'proof'.

Don't even get me started on what Kennedy said.

But then again what do EITHER have to do with a GD japanese corporation?.

Now I understand Democrats.

a reply to: neo96

Have you read the thread or just knee-jerked to the title and pictures. Sony has openly admitted to DDoSing. They don't need an IT department to hire a botnet. That requires $$$. Sony has $$$.

a reply to: Hefficide

Yeah i read it so WHAT the hell does a JAPANESE corporation have to do with American politics/politicians?

a reply to: Hefficide

I totally agree with you and have been saying the very same thing for a while now.

I guess we should have expected such a thing to happen. Corporations as they are today are our Golden Calf's, our Idols we've constructed to replace a God who no longer listens or engages with man, if he ever did at all. They hold all the power and all the Rights of Man but are free from the troubles of Men. The don't need sleep. They feel no pain or remorse or guilt. They also fear nothing, not even death. They are the ultimate Frankenstein's Monster we've created that now control us as we freely give ourselves to them and we sacrifice our lives for their benefit.

So let's get this straight.

Sony is evil for targeting illegal P2P file sharing.

That is karmic justice.

Two sources told Recode that Sony is using hundreds of computers in Asia to perform distributed denial of service, or DDoS, attacks on sites that are hosting exposed files from the original hack

a reply to: neo96

They are also operational in the US, heavily steeped in the gaming and movie industries.

Sony has used Amazon Web Services to launch Distributed Denial of Service attacks on sites carrying files stolen from its network, according to Re/code.

Those attacks apparently involved "hundreds of computers" in Tokyo and Singapore.

Amazon reportedly issued a statement to Re/code denying the claim, but the language it used was vague: "The activity being reported is not currently happening on AWS."

Oh and just for fun, Amazon ( another huge evil company ) is a co-conspirator

As to why? Because they are above the law, angry, and want to.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: TM62

We would also die in the millions. No food or water or electricity or communications, hospitals, police, fire, ect ect.

Ever seen the movie Metropolis?

We need the system as much as they do at this point.

No anarchy. That would just be suicide for us all.

This ain't no movie Tad, this is a real as it gets.......funny you post about a movie like its the truth?
Shut off your fancy tv and join the rest of us if you dare.
Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: Iwinder

Seriously?

Please tell me then what we will do for food, water, electricity, heating and every other basic need for survival when everything is shut off?

What is an average family to do on day one? Leave to the woods with no survival training to live off an eco-system that has not supported human populations in a meaningful measure in hundreds of years?

Also, metropolis is a classic from a by gone era that any one even talking about this should at least take in once. what you are saying is that 1984 is just a story, animal farm is just a fairy tale and that every piece of literature of the western world about liberation and struggle is invalid.

I dont see how your fantasy world would play out. What? you guys strike and the next day the worlds elite surrender out of anger that we won somehow? I will tell you what would happen if people like yourself could do what you propose.... sane people and myself would sign up with the globalists tomorrow because they are not suicidal and genocidal over ideals....well not as bad as you apparently.

Millions would die if our civilization just shut off one day. I have no idea how you think differently. Unless you have the secret code word for god to rain Mana from the skies or something....

a reply to: tadaman
Well I was simply addressing the fact that you are using a movie to make a point and insinuating that the said movie is what the future will hold for us if we do A or B. What amused me was the thread in fact Involves if the largest Movie studio in the world if not, certainly one of the leaders.

Myself I tend to read facts and every now and then I will dust off our TV for the odd occasion.
It's kind of like quoting the Pentagon citing facts and figures when they cannot account for billions of dollars.
Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: Iwinder

No, I mentioned a movie in passing.

My point was entirely independent of that and you have yet to even address it. I even asked you to clarify the logical counter argument to my point.

Your rebuttal is nonsensical.

I made a recommendation after a lengthy post elaborating on my thoughts.

You have yet to answer me how in your fantasy world of "magic strike power" how people are not going to die in the millions when they are suddenly without food and water and heating.

Please.....tell me. How do you feed millions of people in the US or UK alone with no survival training or natural habitat that they are familiar with? No leadership, provisions, tools, ect ect ect ect. and do so all of a sudden one day when righteous workers decide to shut it all off out of anger and rage. Tear down the machines.....die in the process while killing their own in droves.....Nice.

Regards.

EDIT TO ADD:
I dont even watch TV. We own ONE TV and my wife uses it for news before bed and my kid for kids shows, so ask first. Also the movie I recommended was lost for almost a century after being black listed with almost all copies destroyed. It has only been discovered in its entirety recently. We used to have to watch a botched version with fire damage to the original film on VHS that was missing half the reels. Its a freaking GEM. I dont even think it is available on TV.

I cant resist. So here is this:

Metropolis is a 1927 German expressionist epic science fiction drama film directed by Fritz Lang. A silent film, it was produced by Erich Pommer in the Babelsberg Studios by Universum Film A.G.. It is regarded as a pioneering work of science fiction genre in movies, being among the first feature length movies of the genre.

Made in Germany during the Weimar Period, Metropolis is set in a futuristic urban dystopia, and follows the attempts of Freder, the wealthy son of the city's ruler, and Maria, a poor worker, to overcome the vast gulf separating the classes of their city. Metropolis was filmed in 1925, at a cost of approximately five million Reichsmarks, making it the most expensive film ever released up to that point. The motion picture's futuristic style is influenced by the work of Futurist Italian architect, Antonio Sant'Elia.

The film was met with a mixed response upon its initial release, with many critics praising its technical achievements and social metaphors while others derided its "simplistic and naïve" presentation. Because of its long running-time and the inclusion of footage which censors found questionable, Metropolis was cut substantially after its German premiere: large portions of the film were lost over the subsequent decades.

I'll have to try and find it, but there was a documentary done some years back by the same guy who hosted the British show "Connections" ( In fact it might have been a special episode of Connections ) - that showed how quickly the US would fall if the electrical grid were to fail - which is a very real and frightening subject for another thread - the antiquity of our electrical grid...

Anyway a Cyberattack that could take the power grid offline would have the same effect. Think of NYC. All of those giant buildings, housing millions of people, suddenly become multi-story ovens without air circulation. NYC relies upon small markets and bodegas for the bulk of their shopping - stores that would soon be cleaned out.

In short an exodus would happen within a couple of days - out of the cities and into the countryside - a countryside not equipped to deal with an influx of millions of people.

Things could turn wild west in a big hurry.

a reply to: Hefficide

So here's a question for you. If we take the idea that botnets and DDoS attacks are atleast in part using our own infected computers directed at a target, and if those botnets are being directed by the government. Are we in a sense being made to quarter government troops in our home?

I realize that the constitution doesn't apply between private companies and individuals if Sony declares war on NK but we have a whole arm of the military that has these capabilities and is backing them up.

a reply to: Aazadan

That is a very interesting question - one that I think a Constitutional lawyer would probably have to address. Quartering troops may or may not be equivelant to hosting malicious software on ones computer without knowing it.

Another snafu is that the Government not actually need to have their own botnets. One of the things they are very good at is finding and arresting "hackers" on dead to rights charges ( often severe, such as hosting child porn ) only to see the hacker released a day or two later with no charges.

To me this screams "deal". That the hacker in question has been recruited in exchange for dropped charges.

So if Big Brother has dragged in the herders of several large botnets? Then it's not really them doing the DDoSing. It's individual citizens who are quietly and secretly endebted to do so under the threat of prosecution for past crimes.