The True Christ and his Plan for the Future

a reply to: Teetotaler

The idea that Yeshua died for our sins gained traction in the latter medieval period (12th century) which was not really thought out properly as it implies that God accepts human sacrifice as a down payment for forgiveness. That concept was brought into favour by bishops that won office through influential family ties not from spiritual enlightenment.

So I view Yeshua's life and his unwavering belief in God (even in the face of death) the true inspiration. Celebrating and/or focusing in his death anti-Christian. Yeshua was a great prophet for God, our Father.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I havent got the slightest clue of what you are talking about...9 dimensions? Jesus was perfect because he was born without sin, which is carried by the mother but passed by the father, hence the virgin birth. Jesus taught that eternal life was through faith in His sacrifice as the Lamb of God. His message was simple. Who do you have to complicate thing with your "9 dimensions"?

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Jesus was perfect because he was born without sin, which is carried by the mother but passed by the father

Sin is a set of chromosomes?

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Teetotaler

If Christ was not perfect, then He died in vain. The whole point of His ministry was to get people to understand that He was the Spotless Lamb of God.

If the plan was that he would be the perfect teacher then his words would have been precise and he would have given the objective truth in a way that no one after him could alter his words without everybody knowing they where false prophets. Since humanity is still not doing the works (being a soul brother or soul sister to all) and still playing the wolf game his teaching have clearly not given the fruits on all level that it could had if people was prepared and he could teach on the higher level. He had times when he gave into anger and lost control. But then there are many of El that have done that in the past and will do in the future. Control on earth is harder for people with empathy when they see the wolves snapping at the sheep.

But then this place would not been a good testing ground if all souls knew and understood on christ/buddha awareness level. Yeshua did what he was supposed to just like Nanak, Rumi and Siddhārtha Gautama did.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I havent got the slightest clue of what you are talking about...9 dimensions? Jesus was perfect because he was born without sin, which is carried by the mother but passed by the father, hence the virgin birth. Jesus taught that eternal life was through faith in His sacrifice as the Lamb of God. His message was simple. Who do you have to complicate thing with your "9 dimensions"?

It is only when you go after the "all spanning truth" on all levels and do not simplify that you will know part of objective truth and therefor not fall into idolizing (creating a simplified subjective view that is a lie and believe in it).

a reply to: windword

The sin nature is in the flesh, so yes, there is a genetic aspect to sin. Ive believed that for a long time, but just recently, a book was written on the subject, "Corrupting the Image", by Doug Hamp.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Perfection is always just out of reach. I've believed for a long time now, and have come to understand that being human isn't a crime, and being alive and enjoying life isn't a sin.

Christianity thrives on self hatred. It doesn't embrace life, it worships death, torture and suffering.

I don't understand how anyone could think that's a healthy state of affairs.

a reply to: windword

All humans have lied, cheated, stolen, and/or hated at some point in their lives. Those things are crimes against God.

Christianity thrives on self hatred. It doesn't embrace life, it worships death, torture and suffering.

That is just plain offensive. Christ taught forgiveness and love, which is the opposite of hatred. How can Christians worship death, when we are born again and look forward to resurrection. No death worship there.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

All humans have lied, cheated, stolen, and/or hated at some point in their lives. Those things are crimes against God.

There is no such thing as a crime against God. That's ridiculous. God can't be a victim.

Why is lying a crime?

What is cheating?

Who decides who owns what?

Hate is a natural human emotion. It has a purpose.

How can Christians worship death, when we are born again and look forward to resurrection. No death worship there.

You're in denial. Christianity is a death cult. It's all about worshiping death. You don't get anything until you die. Pick up your cross, you're next!

a reply to: windword

Why is lying a crime?

What is cheating?

Who decides who owns what?

Hate is a natural human emotion. It has a purpose.

All these sins are committed out of disregard for our brothers and sisters. They lead down a path of selfishness and hatred. Its ironic that you accuse Christians of hate, when you turn around and justify the sins that are the seeds of hate.

Help me understand that please.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Help me understand that please.

The doctrine of "Original Sin" is a projection of self hatred. It's easy to see, when you don't hate yourself or humanity.

Lying originates from self preservation, not from a desire to harm. Children lie to avoid rejection. All sin originates from insecurity, and self hatred and projecting self hatred onto others just leads to more distrust and insecurities. Its a vicious cycle.

What is cheating? Nature cheats all the time! We wouldn't be able to survive if there weren't cheaters and thieves stealing life from our own bodies in the form of bacteria and viruses.

Who is anyone stealing from when they snatch an apple from a tree? Who decides who owns the apples?

Morality evolves and is complicated, but we don't need a god to give us written commandments to know what is right and what is wrong. And, it's wrong to instruct children that they can't trust their own inner compass, to hate themselves by teaching them they are wretched sinners in need of salvation by that dead guy hanging on the cross.

a reply to: windword
I dont think you really comprehend the detrimental effect of sin on the world or on self.

Animals steal from each other to survive, but man does not have to do that. Our ability and responsibility to choose against hurting our brothers and sisters is what separates us from the animals. When you steal, lie, and cheat, you harden your heart to love. It is hypocritical to preach love in one hand and justify sin in the other.

Morality does not evolve, if it did, then love would become antiquated and useless. By attributing evolution to morality you are giving yourself an excuse to endulge in sin...but remember, if morality evolves, then love becomes outdated. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

I was raised in a moderately Christian home and I was never taught to hate myself, infact, I was never disgusted with my sin nature until I grew up and indulged in it. The idea that Christians teach self hate is a stereotype.

I dont think you have any real answers. If you did, you would not contradict yourself so much. You just have an axe to grind against Christianity. That is the impression that your words leave on me. Nor do I really believe that you practice the level of love that you like to preach.

originally posted by: babybunnies
No such thing as the True Christ. Lots of false prophets out there.

You're welcome - from atheists everywhere.

Read Deuteronomy 13; it calls Jesus a false prophet that should be killed. Jesus isn't mentioned until Matthew...hmmmm

Deuteronomy 13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I dont think you have any real answers. If you did, you would not contradict yourself so much.

You asked me to help you understand my viewpoint. I haven't contradicted myself.

Animals steal from each other to survive, but man does not have to do that.

Yes, we do. Human are no better than animals, we're just further evolved in some ways. But, make no mistake, we humans are animals. Imagining anything other than that fact is denial and self hatred.

When you steal, lie, and cheat, you harden your heart to love.

You still haven't answered my very basic questions on those issues. You're dodging them in favor of some sort of empirical morality. You want me to agree that all stealing is bad. Anything less than 100% transparency of truth is bad! Life doesn't work that way. Nothing is black and white.

Morality does not evolve, if it did, then love would become antiquated and useless.

but remember, if morality evolves, then love becomes outdated.

Of course morality evolves. If it didn't we'd still be stoning rebellious teenagers and girls who don't bleed on their wedding night.

Why would love become antiquated and useless due to evolving morality? Love isn't a question of morality. Besides, morality applies to people that you don't "love" too, you know.

I was raised in a moderately Christian home and I was never taught to hate myself

Good for you and your parents. I can't say the same.

the Question I ask is if there Was a real God why did he send his Son to Earth and die on the cross knowing full well if God was a real God he would have known that man what ever you do will continue War for over 2,000 years there have been more wars over Religion and even if it was not over it there was still WW1 WW2 and the Coming WW3 So really Jesus' died for nothing and God would have known this right from the beginning and any God sending there kids to Death for nothing I can not think very highly of that knowing the out Come he must have seen ,I know there is some out there that will say like a broken record he died for our Sins ,I dought very much on that One but yet I think that there is some sort of God or Energy that made everything am sure there was a person like Jesus' same as there was a Gandhi and Martin Luther King,
people don't need a book to tell them what is right or wrong you don't need to go to Church to ask forgiveness if you know what is right or what is wrong

a reply to: Teetotaler

Uh... true and false. Christ doesn't 'need' us to perfect his works, because they are perfect already. He doesn't need you to suffer, as he has suffered FOR you. You demean His sacrifice by trying to juxtapose your own experiences with Christ's. While it is true that Christians will suffer for their belief, it is neither a requirement, nor inferred that we 'suffer as Christ suffered.' That goes along with the whole 'beat myself into salvation' crowd, and was proven to be a false doctrine.

a reply to: Teetotaler


His works were perfected through His own suffering.

Were do you morons come from anyway?

DP

a reply to: darkwarrior

Those verses referred to people trying to use signs and wonders to dissuade people from the Lord, something Jesus was here to do the opposite of, something that really blows holes in your theory. I personally think it was referring to the Anti-Christ, with all his 'lying signs and wonders.' You, being somewhat familiar wit the OT, should now post all the versus describing Jesus by everything but NAME in the text. That, also, blows your theory out of the water. Reread your OT, just about any time that someone sees an 'Angel of God,' or 'the Captain of the Heavenly Host' they are talking about Jesus. Jesus is not an Angel, but to OT experiencers, he would have been mistaken for an angelic messenger. The third 'Angel' that visited Abraham, and declared the sentence of Sodom and Gomorrah, was an unnamed Jesus!

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: windword

Why is lying a crime?

What is cheating?

Who decides who owns what?

Hate is a natural human emotion. It has a purpose.

All these sins are committed out of disregard for our brothers and sisters. They lead down a path of selfishness and hatred. Its ironic that you accuse Christians of hate, when you turn around and justify the sins that are the seeds of hate.

Help me understand that please.

The only thing anyone wants you to understand around here is that Christianity is the root of all evil in the world and never mind anything else you may see. You may want to understand what direction some of the posters here are coming from. They have "Christianity Myopia". That is they have zoomed in on Christianity like a heat seeking missile.