The whole criminal justice system relies on the good will and good judgement of LEO's

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: SlapMonkey
I call it how I see it im afraid. And if im in some way generalising and tarring all LEOs with the same brush its simply because they do the same to the general population most especially so regarding the lower classes of our society. After all what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

I just can't subscribe to the "but-they're-doing-it,-so-I-should-too" mentality when generalizing. If you think it's wrong for them to do it (which they don't always do), why would you want to do it back?

I just view the over-generalization of groups in society being one of the most potent poisons to our problems as a whole.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

So what should we do then SlapMonkey, just sit back and accept the fact that rather a significant proportion of law enforcement officers these days are corrupt, display racist tendency's, or are just down right hostile towards the people they are supposed to serve and protect?

People who maintain a position of authority cannot be perceived to be corrupt or at odds with the very laws there are supposed to protect and enforce. Simple fact is that Police maintain what essentially amounts to a "them and us" philosophy regarding a significant proportion of the general population. Why should we not view them with the same contempt and disrespect that they display and direct toward a so many of our fellow human beings?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: SlapMonkey
So what should we do then SlapMonkey, just sit back and accept the fact that rather a significant proportion of law enforcement officers these days are corrupt display racist tendency's or are just down right hostile towards the people they are supposed to serve and protect?

I would challenge you to prove your claim that "rather a significant proportion of law enforcement officers these days are corrupt display racist tendency's or are just down right hostile towards the people they are supposed to serve and protect."

Unless you have more to go on than just the reports you see in the media, then you're just mouthing opinion based on skewed reporting.

People who maintain a position of authority cannot be perceived to be corrupt or at odds with the very laws there are supposed to protect or enforce. Simple fact is that Police maintain what essentially amounts to a "them and us" philosophy regarding a significant proportion of the general population. Why should we not view them with the same contempt that they display and direct toward a so many of our fellow human beings?

I just argued this point on another thread, but I will assert the position that the extreme individuals on both sides maintain an us-versus-them mentality, and that it's not only the officers who need to make some changes on how they mold the LEO/citizen relationship. So, your "simple fact" (which, of course, is actually and generalized opinion) works both ways. The only difference is that your average individual has interactions with LEO maybe a few times per year, whereas LEOs interact with individuals multiple times a day, never knowing what type of indivdual they will encounter--for their own safety, they should be on guard every time they engage an individual, whereas your average citizen can assume that, unless they act like a jackass with the LEO, things will go smoothly and they'll just move on.

I think may people who argue that it's all the LEOs' collective fault forget exactly how potentially dangerous their job is on a daily basis, and when the increasing anti-LEO sentiment is palpable in certain places of NYC (which is warranted in the Garner case), or Ferguson (which is unwarranted when tied to the Brown case), if you're not increasing your defensive posture as an LEO, then you're a gullible, ignorant officer.

I fully agree with your comment about LEOs not being perceived to be corrupt or at odds with the laws, but they also can't be seen as always giving an inch, or pretty soon they run out of inches in their position of authority, and then that authority is null and void. As I stated in my other comment, this is a very fine line that LEOs and civilians must ride--civilians can't have unreasonable demands on the authority of LEOs, but more importantly, LEOs absolutely cannot abuse the power with which they are entrusted.

Both sides are guilty, but I still ask you to cite proof about your claims of the "significant proportion" of law enforcement being these corrupt, lawless individuals, because I see the vast majority of them doing their jobs properly and well, with appropriate levels of respect for the citizenry with whom they interact. I don't deny that large, densely populated cities tend to have higher corruption, but for the whole of average America, LEOs are good people until you prove otherwise.

a reply to: andy06shake

How about personal experience then. I have had Police break my front door down with a battering ram and into 3 pieces nearly killing my dog, then been knocked to the ground, handcuffed by 6 so called officers of the law. Same happened to my then 9 month pregnant girlfriend(Not knocked but forced to the ground). Asked if I could read then been presented a warrant for someone else who I have never herd of before in my life. Then Strip searched to the point of being asked to bend over so they could see I had nothing up my arse. Turns out the fellow in question listed on the warrant was black me being white I would say that's a dead give away they have the wrong person. It gets better, then i had my entire flat searched, carpets, fire surrounds, floorboards all pulled up. New baby's unopened clothing and nappies all opened and thrown all over the place, and for what, apparently to find a kilo, of what I have no idea, which they obviously did not find me being in no way what so ever involved with drugs. End of the day they leave with my front door in pieces and unsecured and with no apology, that being an admission of guilt you see. Cant even sue the scum because apparently where I hail from the Police have to actively show malice toward you before you may peruse legal action against them. There's my proof right there of what they are or have become, speaks for its self if you ask me. Thats just my own experience regarding Police im sure there are many other people who have also suffered similar assault, humiliation and disrespect at the hands of our so called officers of the law! And at the end of the day those reports of which you speak that we see on our media networks exist simply because they happened.