Cops go ballistic on 'misbehaving' preschooler

a reply to: DrunkYogi

I would be pushing for a law suit. Completely and utterly ridiculous. Hell, the way things are going right now, I guess the kid is just lucky he didn't get tazed!

a reply to: InTheLight

I agree with you on that. I don't know how my generation and the ones prior to mine survived without all of these mind altering drugs. Then we had the paddle and as one person mentioned, the ever fearful "I am calling your father."

It's amazing what parents, leeway in the school for punishment (the paddle) and old fashioned common sense accomplished back then.

In this case, the cops over reacted but they shouldn't be the ones called. If the mom was 10 minutes away, it seems we had a drama queen somewhere wanting to escalate this and decided to call the cops to get more attention out of this.

I'll bet the drama queen is still talking about how this 4 year old terrorist almost brought law and order to a stand still. What a hero..

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

I hear ya. Every time I see a kid acting up in a store and the parents take a hard line with them it warms my heart. I have never ran into a situation where a kid is taking a wooping and someone spoke up against the parents. Everyone just goes about their business. That is the way it should be everywhere.

I understand you don't beat your kids with a switch but a few whacks on the behind never hurt anything but pride.

p.s.
Spoken by teacher or Mom, the "I'm calling your father" was the dreaded and final nail in the coffin.

a reply to: truckdriver42

Oh man, that line always sent chills down my spine.

I was a bit of Tomboy growing up and tended to get into trouble. The moment that line came around, it was immediate.

My dad never hit me like he did my brothers, but just the look of disappointment on his face was enough to send me to tears. that "If you were a boy I'd whomp you one, but you're my only daughter so here's this look of complete and utter disappointment and long lecture on how he thought he raised me better" look. It's still burned into my retinas.

originally posted by: truckdriver42
a reply to: InTheLight

I agree with you on that. I don't know how my generation and the ones prior to mine survived without all of these mind altering drugs. Then we had the paddle and as one person mentioned, the ever fearful "I am calling your father."

It's amazing what parents, leeway in the school for punishment (the paddle) and old fashioned common sense accomplished back then.

In this case, the cops over reacted but they shouldn't be the ones called. If the mom was 10 minutes away, it seems we had a drama queen somewhere wanting to escalate this and decided to call the cops to get more attention out of this.

I'll bet the drama queen is still talking about how this 4 year old terrorist almost brought law and order to a stand still. What a hero..

It appears that these authorities had only the 'fear' factor as a choice in the control of this unruly child. Why aren't there procedures in place so the school authorities and police know how to handle an unruly child who is having a tantrum? Would not a timeout in a quiet room and a 'think about what you did wrong or how could you have behaved in a better way' be in order until the mother arrived to take over the disciplining and/or talking with the child to find out what the problem is? Maybe the child is being bullied in class and won't snitch. Did anyone attempt to find out what was the child's problem?

a reply to: DrunkYogi

To all who think the school did the right thing...you're part of the problem we have here in the U.S. If you can't handle a 4 yr old acting out, then you shouldn't be a teacher or a parent. Sorry OP I couldn't reply to the thread for some reason so I replied to you.

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: sdcigarpig

You're joking surely.

A 4 year old toddler...not a disgruntled and rebellious teenager is what were talking about here...essentially a baby.

Yes a baby but everything sdcigarpig is true no matter the age.

If you want to have the child sit alone to calm down and he won't what do you do? If the child threatens to hurt other kids what do you do? You can't use your strength to force anything and if you golden tongue fails what do you do?

If you call drug addicted messed up Parents who feel no responsibility and don't show up while the other kids are not terrified and all crying what do you do?

There is no forcing the child to sit in a closet or take him forcibly from the room, he will fight and you may bruise him and the school be sued you are responsible for ALL or the kids not just one, how do you protect the other kids?

If you actually think calling the cops on a toddler is acceptable, then (giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming you're not twisted beyond the point of recognizing sanity) *please* give these videos a watch, or at least a perusal:





Video 1

Video 2

It's based on something called "Peaceful Parenting", not to be confused with "Being best buddies with your kid and letting him/her walk all over you".

PEACE (literally)

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I agree with you. I cannot fathom a cop cuffing and stuffing a 4 year old child. Something isn't right about this story. I sense embellishment. Maybe a hoax.

Don't forget, there are people out there right now with an agenda toward cops. There is a lot of cop hate going on out there right now. So people falsely character assassinating cops isn't that surprising to me. Anything to put cops in a bad light...truth be damned...

I suspect we'll be seeing more of this type of fakery going forward.

HAHA - this is actually funny!

How many time do I want my 4 year old ( yeah I got one of these, too) to go to jail - let's see .. like every day :-D

Everyone here commenting that the school did the right thing should be aware that a 4 year old acting out is actually pretty "normal" and happens quite a lot! They throw things, they hit you, they bite you (and it hurts) and they talk you down! All part of being a 4 year old!

If this is really true .. than I would sue the school to the ground and police department with it! If my 4 year old acts out and the school can handle it, they need to find a new job! Hahaha .. what has this nation become??

a reply to: DrunkYogi
If that was MY kid? I'd own that school and the PD.

This did nothing to straighten out the TODDLER, only traumatized him. A lot, probably. A four year old acting out like that needs a hug, and a nap...Not cuffs, shackles, and speaking with jailed inmates.

Unreal.

originally posted by: mugger
I'm curious whether the parent can go to their local DA and have abuse charges filed against the cop and teachers involved. Most likely the DA won't do squat.

A civil suit would get their attention quicker. Ideally, an attorney would file both criminal and civil. If the criminal suit flies, the civil suit is a guarantee. But, chances are both suits will be dropped in favor of an out-of-court settlement. That way the city can force the parent(s) to not disclose or talk about the incident.

a reply to: lovebeck
You have to wonder what the inmates thought or said...probably something like..WTF.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: lovebeck
You have to wonder what the inmates thought or said...probably something like..WTF.

Let's hope that's all they thought. This story is so ridiculous, it seems like it should be a hoax. It seems these schools, and now pre-schools, just continue to escalate normal child behavior into something else. They're out of control, the LEO's are out of control, all power hungry and ready to teach everyone, anyone, a freaking lesson.

a reply to: lovebeck

I agree, a bit of TLC would have helped the situation.

Parents don't parent anymore I guess, they send a spoiled, wild and unruly child to school. Teacher has literally no recourse but to call the cops. I agree that this case is ridiculous but we brought it on ourselves.

It is a teachers job to teach, it is a parents job to parent. If you send an unparented child to school, then the teacher must first try to parent the child and then to teach the child. From what I hear, teachers say they spend all their time focusing on the unrulies and the well parented kids learning gets slowed way down. Having said that, I was an unruly, they should have kicked me out.

But I wasn't like the "kids" in this video.
Can you imagine teaching these "kids"?
www.youtube.com...

a reply to: DrunkYogi

Have you guys never watched the Discovery ID series, "Scared Straight" Its when they take juvenile children and teens who think they are hard and live a "gangsta" lifestyle involving drugs and gangs. They make them speak to select inmates who have been told to try and show them that this is not the way they want to spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Most kids make a change after the visit and no longer affiliate themselves their gangs anymore or sell or take drugs.

they have even made them stay in jail overnight.

maybe they shouldn't have taken a kid so young, he must have been doing things that truly called for them to do this.

originally posted by: ShadowZion
a reply to: DrunkYogi

Have you guys never watched the Discovery ID series, "Scared Straight" Its when they take juvenile children and teens who think they are hard and live a "gangsta" lifestyle involving drugs and gangs. They make them speak to select inmates who have been told to try and show them that this is not the way they want to spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Most kids make a change after the visit and no longer affiliate themselves their gangs anymore or sell or take drugs.

they have even made them stay in jail overnight.

maybe they shouldn't have taken a kid so young, he must have been doing things that truly called for them to do this.

It's a 4 year old. How you can think it is the right thing to do or much less work.

a reply to: DrJunk

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I'm not saying I agree with child abuse, but I wholly support corporal punishment (which is NOT abuse). If you want to spoil your child and treat them like a special snowflake then home school. It isn't fair to the other students to have their educational experience interrupted by your unruly, undisciplined brat. We've neutered schools, forcing them to to extreme measures, when a non-sexual, disciplinary slap on the ass would solve 99% of the cases of misbehavior.

But as a caveat, I also believe that the cutting of P.E. and recess have led to many of these incidents. Kids aren't designed to sit still for hours on end without some sort of physical activity.

originally posted by: Lipton



I'm not saying I agree with child abuse, but I wholly support corporal punishment (which is NOT abuse).

Of course it is abuse. If you decide to spank, slap or maybe punch another adult because you are upset with that person for whatever reason, it will be seen as assault and physical abuse by both the law and every normal person around you. You could get arrested or sued for it. So why is it OK to spank, slap or punch a child that is smaller and weaker than you - basically assault someone who is defenseless? Makes no sense.

What you teach a child by using corporal punishment, is that conflicts and problems are solved by harming and inflicting pain on others. This all too violent world do definetly not need more of that mindset....

Positive fact: In 1979 Sweden was the first country in the world to make it illegal to strike a child as dicipline, and today more than 30 nations have fully banned corporal punishment. Progress.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: DrunkYogi
When they took away the rights of the schools to deal with or punish a child who was misbehaving, it left the schools only one option, and that is to turn to the cops. The schools hands are tied, they can not, by various laws and rules do anything to a child that is misbehaving.

If the child fails a course, any more it the parent blames the school, not the child, even if the child did not do anything to warrent a passing grade. If the child complains, the school is considered the bad guy, and the school is often in a lose/lose situation. So most school districts turn to the only option left, when dealing with a child that is misbehaving, and that is the cops.

Corporal punishment was done away with years and years, many decades ago. We don't have cops in our schools and called for young children in Canada. It takes some major stuff.