Stratfor spy chief admits it: the US behind the coup in Ukraine!

originally posted by: MrSpad
Stratfor is never right about anything. They like to just make stuff up. I though they had been called out on it enough that they had gone under awhile ago. I guess not. I think most silly thing is trying to tie Syria to Ukraine.

Very true....

www.greanvillepost.com...

a reply to: Echtelion

I am not buying this one bit. Ukraine has been trying for over ten years to get away from Russia. Putin even had their soon to be President poisoned just because he wanted to go with the west and not Russia.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge
a reply to: Echtelion

I am not buying this one bit. Ukraine has been trying for over ten years to get away from Russia. Putin even had their soon to be President poisoned just because he wanted to go with the west and not Russia.

You believe in whatever you will. Ukraine has not been trying to "get away from Russia", because Ukraine was not part of Russia in the first place. But Russian hegemony? Of course.

Get me a country anywhere in East Europe that isn't under either heavy NATO/EU/US hegemony or heavy Russia/China hegemony or -OFTEN- both. Doesn't exist. Especially Ukraine is well-known for being a jackpot for Western and Russian fat cats. I think those views you reproduce are just based out of a lack of knowledge on Eastern Europe, whcih basically is a huge buffer zone between two systems.

But big lol's if you actually believe the current anti-Russian regime in Kiev is about sovereignty from foreign domination, with Nathalie Jaresko, a US government employee, in charge of the Ministry of Finance...

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MrSpad
Stratfor is never right about anything. They like to just make stuff up. I though they had been called out on it enough that they had gone under awhile ago. I guess not. I think most silly thing is trying to tie Syria to Ukraine.

Very true....

www.greanvillepost.com...

That's a good article, and I knew from earlier stories that Kaplan was a wingnut who's been spouting crap for a long time, though this thread isn't even about what Strafor, but what George Friedman has said.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Xcathdra

The simple fact that its ignored by anti western / anti US / whatever posters says a lot.

That's because they are too busy trying to be right they fail to see the problems with articles such as the OP has posted.

Though I don't see any problems in that article. Some already-biased people with an agenda may have a mental block against the source, for it being Russian and also non-pro-US domination, but Kommersant isn't the Pravda. It's a very old liberal capitalist newspaper.

a reply to: Echtelion

Which still doesn't change the fact the source you used lied. Friedman never stated the US was behind the coup in Ukraine.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Echtelion

Which still doesn't change the fact the source you used lied. Friedman never stated the US was behind the coup in Ukraine.

To the hell with Stratfor or Friedman or Kaplan.......whatever they said they said, they are no authority like CIA or Secretary of State Kerry etc.

Better authority than Stratfor is the Darling Nuland who accepted in the phone hack that US spent $5B to do this or that in Ukraine and that proves it.

World knows the geopolitical games being played in Ukraine, Syria etc. No need to discuss and throw fists in the air as to who is behind what. Come to accept the reality..........behind the curtains. That would bring peace to the internet warriors.

US is behind the Kiev Junta and Russia is behind the Donbass rebels. End of the story.

so what? there are military contractors that have revealed far more important things than this and it doesn't amount to anything. its non news. no matter what this guy says or who he says it to is going to do a damn thing. anyone with half a brain knows that the US had a hand in ukraine, and it basically set off the events and the civil war that transpired, but popular opinion doesn't dictate foreign or domestic policy so it doesn't matter.

a reply to: victor7

Friedman never stated the US was behind the coup.

There is nothing to support your claims either.

Political interests are present everywhere. When the Russians start asserting the United States was behind the coup in Ukraine - yes, someone saw an opportunity and took it. There's more to consider than meets the eye though --

Consider the simple fact that Russian banks, Russian business interests, Russian FSB personnel, and millions of native and/or ethnic Russians have been firmly entrenched in Ukraine for a century. That includes hundreds of billions of dollars of Russian money, thousands of people working for the FSB in positions of authority in SBU, local militias, the courts, etc., etc. -- and all of them could not prevent a civil uprising, sponsored by $5-6 billion or not?

For Russia to have lost political control of Ukraine goes down as epic incompetence. One only need look at who Russia thought was the "best man for the job" - Yanukovich to see the relation. The president/dictator of Belarus publicly criticized Yanukovich as to the manner he was siphoning money from the Ukrainian treasury for himself and his son. Fortunately, while Yanukovich could be defined as a thief, he did not have the intestinal fortitude to be the kind of brutal dictator to keep himself in power.

a reply to: stumason
It all just depends on what history book your reading. For instance some 15 years ago I was in another country and somebody told me that Augustus Caesar was the son of Julius Caesar, and well I looked it up on there history book and yup there it was. So I suppose it must be true, after all it was in a book.

Basically the Russians have a bit different look on the history and all that happened in ww1 or ww2 then we do, and so do other countries. Let me just put it this way, everybody has there own version of what went down. History for the most part is a game ques who, its like a long running argument between creationists and religious conversationalists, and they all wrote there own book complete with facts and everything.

Everybody has there take on things. And everybody offcourse believes there right, and really the only difference between who is right or wrong is who writes more history books and gets people to believe it. Its why history is always written by the winners, and its always written for there specific reasons. Basically its like opinion and assholes, everybody has one.

a reply to: victor7

Better authority than Stratfor is the Darling Nuland who accepted in the phone hack that US spent $5B to do this or that in Ukraine and that proves it.

And Putin admitted to invading Ukraine with Crimea, but that fact seems to disappear from the minds of a few...

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that Russian forces had been deployed to Crimea last month to support local defense teams, the first time he has admitted such involvement by Russia.

www.businessinsider.com...

And that proves it.

Now as for the 5 billion it was sent over the course of a decade, so your insinuations are unfounded and have been debunked many times already.

US is behind the Kiev Junta and Russia is behind the Donbass rebels. End of the story.

Just can't stop using the word Junta can you?

Do you even know what that word stands for, because honestly I don't think you do...

1. A group of military officers ruling a country after seizing power.
2. A council or small legislative body in a government, especially in Central or South America.

www.thefreedictionary.com...

Learn it, understand it, and for gods sake quit using it for Ukraine, as it was never a Junta government and still isn't.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Which still doesn't change the fact the source you used lied. Friedman never stated the US was behind the coup in Ukraine.

We all know that the US was behind the coup and they have even passed a resoloution to send more weapons to the Ukraine.

Look at a map of the world and plot all the US military bases around the world on it to see the cancer spreading

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And Putin admitted to invading Ukraine with Crimea, but that fact seems to disappear from the minds of a few...

Yes and remind me again just how many people got killed in the Crimea.

if we want to call this an invasion then the yanks comeing to Europe during WWII was also an invasion and they are still here in Europe holding a gun to our heads.

Russia was invited in by the majority, it was no Russia D-Day invasion thats for sure.

a reply to: Echtelion

Though I don't see any problems in that article. Some already-biased people with an agenda may have a mental block against the source, for it being Russian and also non-pro-US domination, but Kommersant isn't the Pravda. It's a very old liberal capitalist newspaper.

Good... then I assume you agree with Friedman when he says:

Americans, as I have said, it is important to prevent the emergence of hegemony in Europe. But recently they have started to seriously worry about the potential of Russia and its intentions. Russia is beginning to move from the defense position that she has held since 1992, to the restoration of its sphere of influence. The matter is a fundamental mismatch of national interests of the two great powers.

kommersant.ru [Trans. Google, emphasis mine. --DJW001]

Friedman agrees that Putin's actions in Ukraine are not defensive, but an aggressive attempt to restore Russia's imperial hegemony. That is all that any of us critics have been saying.

a reply to: VirusGuard

Yes and remind me again just how many people got killed in the Crimea.

Seven ethnic Tatars have been the victim of racist violence since the Russian invasion. This was either done with the collusion of occupying forces, or Russian troops are incapable of controlling the ultra-nationalist racists, what you would call "Nazis," in their midst.

unpo.org...

Of course, thousands have died in the region occupied by Russian "vacationers."

a reply to: Echtelion

The sources make this completely unreliable.

originally posted by: MrSpad
Stratfor is never right about anything. They like to just make stuff up. I though they had been called out on it enough that they had gone under awhile ago. I guess not. I think most silly thing is trying to tie Syria to Ukraine.

Syria is not tied to Ukraine. But Russia is tied to Ukraine. Russia is also tied to Syria. The US is tied to Syria and Ukraine.

You would never know news is fact or fiction if the operations is done covert. So you can not blame the messenger. But that is quite popular With Your kind.

a reply to: VirusGuard

Yes and remind me again just how many people got killed in the Crimea.

You do know an invasion doesn't have to have casualties to be considered one.

if we want to call this an invasion then the yanks comeing to Europe during WWII was also an invasion and they are still here in Europe holding a gun to our heads.

Nobody is saying it wasn't.

Russia was invited in by the majority, it was no Russia D-Day invasion thats for sure.

The majority of who...and again an invasion doesn't have to be a balls to the wall to be considered an invasion.