London police: we believe claims of ‘VIP’ child sex abuse and murder

a reply to: elementalgrove

Nobody sees them as the ''leaders of the free world'' anymore anyway. The NSA scandal, the plutocracy, the infringements on their own citizen's rights and many other things all give it a rather cynical twist anyway. I believe that if we want to be free we should distance ourselves a bit more from the USA as at least in the last years/decades, they've seemingly taken many wrong turns when it comes to freedom and civil rights.

Thus spoke a European who admittedly does not know everything about what the USA exactly does Just from what I gather(ed).

I hope we see the downfall of sick people in positions where they shouldn't be in and even more credibility damage to secret services as they likely not only knew and know about it and didn't stop them, but also probably facilitated these crimes. However, this report is only about the UK let alone the USA. People and deeds from the past...

Anyway, if this continues it'll be interesting to watch how secret services and the like will spin it because they'll probably lose a major chunk of credibility.

Didn't know what happened? ==> you aren't worth your privileges and suck at your job.

Knew what happened? ==> You're accomplices in habitual child abuse and lose every shred of credibility.

a reply to: Tangerine

@Tangerine.

Listen here for a minute. It doesn't matter one iota what you believe, hell, not even what I believe. It's what they believe that counts. Period.

If they believe in Lucifer and that they have to be part of a secret society and indulge in ritualistic pedo activities, that's what they'll do. Get it?

So no matter what we think, it does not matter, and won't change one darn thing about what is happening.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Flesh699

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Ph03n1x

Dirt attracts dirt.

By that I mean, that it is perfectly possible that there is a group of high powered child molesters out there, but I still find it highly unlikely that the incidents have anything to do with any pretence of ritual, no matter how dark in its aspect.

I tend to agree with this. I also suspect that it's not widespread, meaning not something that most of the rich and powerful are involved in. Nevertheless, it is horrific and, if true, I hope justice is swift and horrible for the perpetrators. I think it's important to remember that a couple detectives believing it's true does not make it a fact, although I suspect it probably will turn out to be a fact.

Franklin Cover up, Google it. All democratic governments on this planet are run by sick crazies with ritual tendencies.

Sorry, I don't do your research for you. If you have testable evidence to cite, please do so. If you just have unsubstantiated claims, well....

Ritual tendencies? What in hell does that mean? If people go to work at the same time each day and park their cars in the same spots and eat pork chops every Wednesday, that's ritual. Explain what you mean by "ritual tendencies". And it it's only a tendency, that suggests that it's not actualized.

I don't think anyone was asking you to do research on their behalf. This was likely posted as it happened somewhat recently and is absolutely relevant to the OP. If you are interested and can't be bothered to " do someone else's research for them" you could always watch the conspiracy of silence on YouTube.... Or would that be watching someone's documentary for them?

As far as the ritualistic aspect is concerned it very well may be happening. We need look no further than the Nazis in this past century and for an example of bizzare ritual, murder, torture and child abuse there is the example of colonia dignidag in Chile which until relatively recently was operating with extraterritorial status and functioned as an interrogation and torture center for the DINA under Pinochet. One needs to recognize that the Nazis were not simply a political movement but a cult modeled to some extent on Theosophy and Jesuit organizational structure. They were openly pagan and had no qualms about commuting atrocious blood sacrifices. At wars end may of the criminals found themselves employed in the western intelligence apparatuses and with them the brought their ideologies. This just one example of how this has happened in the past and as possible source for ritual practices as these Nazis in many cases seemed to take over theinstitutions they were meant to serve. Also as any student of history know the Nazis were never defeated and they never surrendered their steadfast beliefs, they simply moved. Other examples of government officials involvement with the occult and ritual can be seen in JPL's Jack Parsons and the OTO Agape lodge and the founding of the Temple of Set by Michael Aquino, a ranking U.S. Military intelligence officer and psychological warfare specialist. Obviously that's just two people but their re likely many more.

originally posted by: Conluceo
a reply to: Tangerine

@Tangerine.

Listen here for a minute. It doesn't matter one iota what you believe, hell, not even what I believe. It's what they believe that counts. Period.

If they believe in Lucifer and that they have to be part of a secret society and indulge in ritualistic pedo activities, that's what they'll do. Get it?

So no matter what we think, it does not matter, and won't change one darn thing about what is happening.

Oh, I get it. Do you get that, to date,there's not a shred of actual evidence that Satanic ritual abuse has happened?

originally posted by: s3cz0ne

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Flesh699

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Ph03n1x

Dirt attracts dirt.

By that I mean, that it is perfectly possible that there is a group of high powered child molesters out there, but I still find it highly unlikely that the incidents have anything to do with any pretence of ritual, no matter how dark in its aspect.

I tend to agree with this. I also suspect that it's not widespread, meaning not something that most of the rich and powerful are involved in. Nevertheless, it is horrific and, if true, I hope justice is swift and horrible for the perpetrators. I think it's important to remember that a couple detectives believing it's true does not make it a fact, although I suspect it probably will turn out to be a fact.

Franklin Cover up, Google it. All democratic governments on this planet are run by sick crazies with ritual tendencies.

Sorry, I don't do your research for you. If you have testable evidence to cite, please do so. If you just have unsubstantiated claims, well....

Ritual tendencies? What in hell does that mean? If people go to work at the same time each day and park their cars in the same spots and eat pork chops every Wednesday, that's ritual. Explain what you mean by "ritual tendencies". And it it's only a tendency, that suggests that it's not actualized.

I don't think anyone was asking you to do research on their behalf. This was likely posted as it happened somewhat recently and is absolutely relevant to the OP. If you are interested and can't be bothered to " do someone else's research for them" you could always watch the conspiracy of silence on YouTube.... Or would that be watching someone's documentary for them?

On the contrary, I was told to research something that would supposidly prove that Satanic ritual abuse had occurred. Remember that? What "this" happened recently? Do any of you actually have any evidence? Cite it!

originally posted by: s3cz0ne
As far as the ritualistic aspect is concerned it very well may be happening. We need look no further than the Nazis in this past century and for an example of bizzare ritual, murder, torture and child abuse there is the example of colonia dignidag in Chile which until relatively recently was operating with extraterritorial status and functioned as an interrogation and torture center for the DINA under Pinochet. One needs to recognize that the Nazis were not simply a political movement but a cult modeled to some extent on Theosophy and Jesuit organizational structure. They were openly pagan and had no qualms about commuting atrocious blood sacrifices. At wars end may of the criminals found themselves employed in the western intelligence apparatuses and with them the brought their ideologies. This just one example of how this has happened in the past and as possible source for ritual practices as these Nazis in many cases seemed to take over theinstitutions they were meant to serve. Also as any student of history know the Nazis were never defeated and they never surrendered their steadfast beliefs, they simply moved. Other examples of government officials involvement with the occult and ritual can be seen in JPL's Jack Parsons and the OTO Agape lodge and the founding of the Temple of Set by Michael Aquino, a ranking U.S. Military intelligence officer and psychological warfare specialist. Obviously that's just two people but their re likely many more.

The Nazis were modeled on Theosophy and Jesuit organizational structure? How so? For your information, neither theosophy nor the Jesuits are pagan. A few of the top ranking Nazis were pseudo-pagans but most were not. Hitler certainly wasn't. He was a good old Christian who endorsed Christianity at public events and in his writings. The Nazis wore belt buckles that said (in German of course) "In God we trust" or similar words. Yes, the Nazis did horrible things but not as part of any sort of religious ritual of which I am aware. If I am mistaken, please be specific in your claims and note the religion and the specific ritual.

Jack Parsons was not a government official. He simply worked at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Michael Aquino is a member of the military. There is absolutely no evidence that either performed acts of religious ritual abuse on any unwilling persons. You may not like their belief systems and neither do I but that doesn't make them ritual killers. If you know something about what they did that I don't know, please share it with us.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: funkadeliaaaa
What I said was that it is unlikely that the ritualistic practices of the upper echelons are connected to the molestation of young people by this unidentified group.

But how can you say that? What are you basing this on? Personl experiences of those ritualistic practices? How do you know ritualistic behavior is not in any way connected to the protection of a perverse society of pedophile rapists and murderers?

The fact that a percentage of people in any demographic are capable of appalling acts, is not an indictment of the organisation , but of the individuals responsible for any criminal acts committed, and perhaps of the human condition itself

In principle maybe, but in this case? Why would they have said on so many occassions that they are not persuing investigations because of the damage it would cause the British establishment? If we are talking about a few individuals here, like Jimmy Saville, the media would have been allowed to rip into them months ago and end their careers on the spot, but no, it is being dragged out for as long as because the corruption is obviously endemic and they want to buy toime to get rid of as much evidence as possible.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: s3cz0ne
As far as the ritualistic aspect is concerned it very well may be happening. We need look no further than the Nazis in this past century and for an example of bizzare ritual, murder, torture and child abuse there is the example of colonia dignidag in Chile which until relatively recently was operating with extraterritorial status and functioned as an interrogation and torture center for the DINA under Pinochet. One needs to recognize that the Nazis were not simply a political movement but a cult modeled to some extent on Theosophy and Jesuit organizational structure. They were openly pagan and had no qualms about commuting atrocious blood sacrifices. At wars end may of the criminals found themselves employed in the western intelligence apparatuses and with them the brought their ideologies. This just one example of how this has happened in the past and as possible source for ritual practices as these Nazis in many cases seemed to take over theinstitutions they were meant to serve. Also as any student of history know the Nazis were never defeated and they never surrendered their steadfast beliefs, they simply moved. Other examples of government officials involvement with the occult and ritual can be seen in JPL's Jack Parsons and the OTO Agape lodge and the founding of the Temple of Set by Michael Aquino, a ranking U.S. Military intelligence officer and psychological warfare specialist. Obviously that's just two people but their re likely many more.

The Nazis were modeled on Theosophy and Jesuit organizational structure? How so? For your information, neither theosophy nor the Jesuits are pagan. A few of the top ranking Nazis were pseudo-pagans but most were not. Hitler certainly wasn't. He was a good old Christian who endorsed Christianity at public events and in his writings. The Nazis wore belt buckles that said (in German of course) "In God we trust" or similar words. Yes, the Nazis did horrible things but not as part of any sort of religious ritual of which I am aware. If I am mistaken, please be specific in your claims and note the religion and the specific ritual.

Jack Parsons was not a government official. He simply worked at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Michael Aquino is a member of the military. There is absolutely no evidence that either performed acts of religious ritual abuse on any unwilling persons. You may not like their belief systems and neither do I but that doesn't make them ritual killers. If you know something about what they did that I don't know, please share it with us.

Firstly I would like to point out that I HAVE NEVER said that Parsons or Aquino were ever involved in any ritual abuse. I was simply demonstrating the pervasiveness of occult rituals within the cooridors of power. That said Parsons was not merely a member of JPL but rather a founding member with a Top Secret clearance who worked on solid rocket fuel formulas that had crucial military applications. He lost said clearance for removing documents, of his own authorship, to study so that he might help the Israeli government start their own rocket program.

In regards to the Nazi party you are horribly misinformed. Himmlers SS for instance was strictly pagan and followed occult rituals of Himmlers own making. Christians were forbidden membership and Christian rituals were replaced with Pagan counterparts. The Old Norse Gods of Wotan, Thor and Odin were worshipped with religous fervor especially in Lebensborn communities to which many SS men belonged. Furthermore even a cursory examination of Anenerbe SS demonstrates an intense interest in occult topics from Celtic Studies, to Rune Studies to the World Ice Theory. Vast resources were commited to the Nazi's occult agenda during the war that could have gone towards the war effort. The concentration camps with there wholesale slaughter of Jews, Gypsies, Communists and Others provides a perfect example of this as the camps served absolutely no benefit to the war effort. Additionally the organizational structure of the SS can be traced to the Jesuits directly by way of Himmler who had remarked on a number of occassions about there hierarchy. Also I NEVER SAID that the Jesuits or Theosophists were pagans.

Just to give you a very brief overview of the connection of Theosophy and other Occult Secret Societies to the birth of the Nazi party one needs look no further that the Thule Gesellschaft. The Thule proclaimed itself to be a literary and cultural society that was infact a front for the Germanenorden(Which was well known at the time)/ The Thule was responsible for organizing the Freikorps and the overthrow of the Bavarian Soviet. the Freikorps in many ways were the direct precursor to the dreaded SA or Stormtroopers. The Thule, a group of Social Elites and Academics realized the need to organize the working class against the communist threat and thus the Nazi party was born under the leadership of one Mr. Drexel. The Thule itself shares a direct line of descent back to Blavatsky's Theosophy and other Occult secret societies. It would certainly do you well to acquaint the likes of Guido Von List, Lanz Von Liebenfels, Rudolph Von Sebottendorff, Dietrick Eckhart and Alfred Rosenburg to name just a few.

To your point about Hitler being pro-Christian, it is widely acknowledged that this is not the case. While it may be true that Hitler publically had good thing to say about Christianity that was simply a matter of conveinence as the Christians would have been next in line after the Jews, Gypsies, Gays and the rest. The Nazi Anti-Christian position is a matter of public record from documents siezed from the SS after the war. Had Hitler not played to the Christian majority in Germany he would have never been able to consolidate power. It was simply a calculated political move on his part. Additionally to say the Hitler was "A good old Christian" is disengenous at best but in reality simply untrue as can be seen in poem which he authored in the trenches of WWI in reverence to the Pagan God Wotan. That is a matter of public record. Hitler once made the statement(and I'm parapgrasing just a bit) that "anyone who thinks that Nazism is a political movement is missing the point" and he also remarked on the dangers posed by secret societies and that he was now in control of those dangerous mechanism. The Nazis did not surrender at the end of the war, they went underground via die spinne and ODESSA with assistance from Vatican run ratlines coordinated by the likes of one Father Dragonivich for example or were employed by various intelligence agencies. The Nazi philosophy was NOT defeated it simply moved. Colonia Dignidad in Chile provides a rare insight to the sexual abuse occuring there and the likely Occult and Ritual nature of it. These people also came to America and were integral parts of such vital national interests such as NASA to CIA. These people absolutely held their loyalties elsewhere and most certainly passed on their disgusting ideology based on pseudo-science, lies and "occult" secrets in regards to the purity of the Aryan spirit and the Sub-Human characteristics of others.

As for sources I won't be posting any links. I read books for my information and I'm not going to do your research for you.

If you are interested in facts mainly from primary sources in regards to Nazism and the occult I would suggest the following selections as they are my source information:

Unholy Alliance - Peter Levenda
Sinister Forces : The Nine - Peter Levenda
Sinister Forces : A Warm Gun - Peter Levenda
Sinister Forces : The Manson Secret - Peter Levenda
Ratline: Soviet Spies, Nazi Priests and the Disappearance of Adolf Hitler - Peter Levenda
Nazi International - Joseph P. Farrel, PHd
Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler - Simon Dunstan and Gerard Williams
Rise of the Fourth Reich - Jim Marrs

In regards to the scandal in Franklin Nebraska involving Lawrence King and the Monied Nebraska and D.C. Elite sexually abusing young children I can again recommend "A Conspiracy Of Silence" which is available on YouTube. "The Franklin Coverup" Authored by John DeCamp has come highly recommended though I haven't yet read it. In short if this is a topic your are genuinely interested in it might be beneficial to come with facts and to have well researched that which you arguing as opposed to making nasty comments about not doing somebody elses research. The member who mentioned doing a google seach on Franklin was doing it for yours and other members benefit, not their own as they likely didn't need you to do "their research" as they had already done it themselves and were thus recommending something for those who were interested.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Starling

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Starling

There is something very suspicious about the taking of Madeleine Mccann and the british government were all over it.

What I would like to know is who was nearby in secret was it a vip that is being protected? Although the parents are a doctor and surgeon, and all the money given to them hasn't resolved this issue I can't help wondering if they have been compromised in some way about this.

I must own that I have always wondered though whether as parents probably tired out with little ones and the pressures of work, if a dose of phenergon or whatever is the guaranteed good night's sleep for the little ones drink is now, whether a dose too much was not the cause and a dreadful accident occurred - I hagte seeing those parents, especially the mother looking so sad. Madeleines' little face on the tv still makes me sad for them as she looked such a little angel.

I wouldn't be surprised if Maddie was pimped out by her parents to the pervs in both the medical and political realm.
I do believe her death could have been a 'mistake' and then concealed by the heavily guilt ridden parents.

If that was the case those who abused her and caused her death were 'one of them', the party of friends that were dining out while neglecting their kids who were abandoned by adults in their hotel room...while the guys of the group took turns in abusing her while the rest of the group got sozzled on wine back at the restaurant.
I also have reason to believe that the kid inherited an alcohol driven condition from her seriously alky mother.
They probably knew, as doctors, that Maddie was 'beyond repair'. So they allowed her to be sacrificed...so to speak.

Do you realize that you're accusing specific individuals of horrific crimes? Are you aware that libel laws apply to the internet? If you have evidence, report it to the police.

Well you are a piece of work, aren't you...
What's your interest in all this?
Kate?

a reply to: s3cz0ne

Yes, I'm aware of who Parsons was. Much that you've said is accurate. However, when the OP topic is about child sex abuse and murder and you bring up the occult and ritual and name Jack Parsons and Michael Aquino, even though you did not directly state it, it did seem that you were implying that they were involved in extremely horrific and illegal activities.

Of course there are occult rituals in the halls of power. As you know, occult simply means hidden as in hidden knowledge and ritual is nothing more than a meaningful repeated activity. Any powerful (or not powerful) person who is a Mason or member of Knights of Malta performs occult rituals. For that matter, any group of children who form a secret club with a secret password and spin around three times before entering their handmade clubhouse are performing an occult ritual. In itself, occult ritual has absolutely nothing to do with heinous activities. The Nazis were (and are) monsters but were not made so by occult rituals. Nor were occult rituals necessary for them to perform atrocities.

Himmler was a pseudo-pagan, to be sure. That makes him as much a pagan as Hitler was a Christian. As you pointed out, Hitler used perverted Christianity to further his goals. Himmler used perverted paganism to further his goals. Just as Christianity shouldn't be condemned because Hitler used Christianity, paganism shouldn't be condemned because Himmler used paganism. Any attempt you use to tie Nazi atrocities to paganism should also apply to Christianity. I'm guessing you don't 'want to go there. By the way, Odin is Wotan. They are not separate deities and neither is remotely Satan-like.

There are many so-called secret societies, most quite benign. Are you condemning Theosophy because the Thule grew out of it and Naziism out of that? After all, the Klan grew out of Christianity. Satanism grew out of Christianity. Does the fault lie with Theosophy or Christianity or does it lie with individuals who perverted those beliefs and used them to serve their twisted agendas?

Yes, I'm aware of Operation Paperclip and the integral role the Nazis played in the formation of the OSS. I have no doubt that there is still a functioning strain of them in those corridors of power.

Bottom line, I'm arguing that ritual and the occult are not the cause of sexual abuse and murder of children. Sick, twisted humans can walk to find their victims or drive cars. They can sing show tunes while they commit crimes. The people, not their shoes, cars, and musical preferences are to blame. The "secrets" that they may pass down to their proteges can be delivered in the form of sudoku or sonnets while wearing robes or pirate attire. That, in itself, doesn't matter. It's the crimes they commit that matter.

a reply to: Pitou

Unethical monsters drunk on power behaving like unethical monsters... it's tragic, but I can't say I'm particularly surprised. A little surprised that they thought they would get away with it, maybe.. but then again - politicians have never been known for their ability to think rationally and behave in a humane & honourable manner.

Child rape and murder is some next level s#!t though. I hope justice is served to these sick & twisted professional psychopaths if they are indeed guilty (and again, it wouldn't surprise me at all).

a reply to: Tangerine

As you know, occult simply means hidden as in hidden knowledge and ritual is nothing more than a meaningful repeated activity.

You are either very naiive or deliberately ignorant. In society, rituals can be very important, especially to people in positions of power. Where rituals are performed, from the most subtle form that would be unnoticed in a crowded room except to initiates, to the most grossly obvious occult rituals, there is always an in crowd and an out crowd. Now imagine a conspiracy involving ritual that sought to establish connections with people at the top of society in a way that was only known to initiates. Once iniatiated newcomers are introduced to a world perversion that is not seen outside of the world of the initiates, even if the society seems a lot larger ostensibly.... Now imagine for example people intentionally chosen to be initiated into the secret group because they exhibit certain character traits that are recognised as being those of an individual potentiality with a degree of already present moral perversion, such as the the absence of an independent moral conscience (many people don't have one) and there you have the perfect puppets to manipulate and blackmail if they step out of line or not follow orders. From what I gather this is exactly the kind of sick perverted system we are under. The idea of a democracy looses all semblance of meaning. We didn't go from being a Monarchy to not being a monarchy overnight. We are still very much a Monarchy. We need a republic!

Edit: understanding this should help you to understand how brainwashed we as a society really are.... The scale of this cover up / conspriacy its actually more monumental than people even on here realise.

a reply to: funkadeliaaaa


Let's start at the beginning. There are ALLEGATIONS, as yet unproven, that a group of unspecified powerful individuals have formed a child molesting "cabal". Do you agree that this is the allegation?

There are ALLEGATIONS, as yet unproven, made in this thread that this cabal ritually abuses children as some form of occult practice. Do you agree that this is the allegation?

There are implied ALLEGATIONS, as yet unproven, made in this thread that occult ritual is integral to child abuse committed by this cabal and the child abuse committed by this cabal would not take place without this occult ritual. Do you agree that this is the implied allegation?

The implication of these allegations is that the members of this cabal commit these child molestations in worship of or in service to or as a sacrifice to a supernatural deity or deities. Do you agree that this is the implication?

I am neither naive nor ignorant. I could easily retaliate by suggesting that you have an overly rich fantasy life. Instead, I ask that you, and the other posters, answer my questions. Of course there are informal and formal initiations into groups and many groups have secrets. Of course groups participate in formal or informal rituals. Of course some groups participate in occult rituals. I am simply pointing out that the men's desire and willingness to sexually abuse children pre-exists any alleged occult rituals and any alleged occult rituals are incidental and not a cause of the criminal behavior. Do you agree or disagree with this?

a reply to: OrphanApology

Oh, but it does. Sure, there's no difference to the victims, but our leaders dealing with dark powers does make it quite different. There's a difference between random arbitrary acts of corruption and a system supported by and depending on a negative spiritual hierarchy.

Of course, most people would deny the reality of such things and would think of such rituals as nothing but tomfoolery but the people practicing such rituals know better and certainly wouldn't do it just for the sake of the rituals themselves.

Though I believe in the reality and effectiveness of such rituals I'm more on the fence about the elite dabbling in such things than I used to be. I think that perhaps the conspiracy is not as monolithic as I used to think, or at least not as simple.

a reply to: Tangerine

First of all to answer your last point, I completely disagree.

Lets be clear about something. This is more than simply an alleged conspiracy. We know its a conspiracy! What and who is involved is not completely known for reasons of "national security". But it has been alleged many politicians and establishment figures are involved.

Read this:

www.exaronews.com...

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Yea i notice we have two seemingly divergent interpretations about this.... IMO, knowing the city of london, there is every possibility of a synthesis... Perverse occultist pedophile satan worshipping puppets. Sick