Creationist Quackery, Part 150, 001 : Creationists Say Aliens Don't Exist, So Let's Stop Looking!

originally posted by: the2ofusr1See ,we know that science can be proven wrong but I know that nobody can prove God wrong .

It's not science's job to prove god wrong, it's your job to provide evidence for god's existence. You can't prove Zeus wrong, or Thor, or Aphrodite, Bacchus, Poseidon, Marduk, Ishtar or any number of the thousands of gods man has conjured throughout history. Do you give these gods equal credence to your personal god?

I don't think God is a crybaby and thinks that all of created beings are going to believe He exist .That makes Him sad but there will come a time when He will get mad .Or so He says and I believe Him. a reply to: Krazysh0t

And science cant prove the Big Bang happened .Whats your point ? a reply to: GetHyped

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Actually, there's lots of evidence for the Big Bang had you bothered to research it. Again, you show your ignorance:

lmgtfy.com...

I also notice you didn't even attempt to address my rebuttal of your fallacious logic or answer my question.

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Anger, jealousy, rage these are all human flaws. When humans act out those emotions, we call them flaws and reasons for why humans aren't perfect. Yet, god, a supposedly perfect being uses these emotions on a bunch of microscopic beings within the vast universe and suddenly it is to be celebrated? Double standard here.

Oh no a bunch of humans are doing things I don't like! Time to destroy two of their cities in the most violent way possible. Never mind the fact that I should be able to smite the evildoers one by one with the same amount of effort, they ALL must die violently. Oh yeah, and any life on a planet other than earth is inconsequential and doesn't matter.

There may be lots of evidence for a big bang that you can believe but there are plenty of people,some scientist that don't .I guess it must be the inconclusive nature of the prof that is in question . a reply to: GetHyped

Anger, jealousy, rage these are all human flaws. When humans act out those emotions, we call them flaws and reasons for why humans aren't perfect. Yet, god, a supposedly perfect being uses these emotions on a bunch of microscopic beings within the vast universe and suddenly it is to be celebrated? Double standard here.

a reply to: Krazysh0t Once again I notice your lack of study into the bible by the comments you make . I could direct you to specifics like the last time but I will leave that search up to you to correct yourself . When I have a legitimate reason to be angry and am it's not a flaw .You just need to get in touch with your understanding of emotions and how they are tools to be used correctly . I suggest you not turn to science though .You have to start with the subjective ...peace

a reply to: the2ofusr1

No, I understand the story of Sodom and Gomorrah just fine. I don't need to "study" the bible any more than I have already. I know that your go to response to me was going to be that all the people in the cities were beyond saving, but that is a bulls# claim. Surely, children existed in that city? Surely, THEY weren't being awful people? Though I see you completely ignored my point about being able to kill all the sinners one by one instead of a giant explosion.

Emotions are a chemical reaction to external stimuli based on past experiences with that stimuli. I don't care about the subjective, it is useless to hear how someone "feels" about something. It doesn't explain anything and that person could be lying anyways. I'll stick to science. It does a much better job of explaining things.

God kills untold number of humans indiscriminately and his followers celebrate him for it... Such travesty...

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
Fact of the matter is that nobody can prove that God exist and that is why He said you need to use faith .Anybody foolish enough to think they can, can go for it .See ,we know that science can be proven wrong but I know that nobody can prove God wrong .Science can prove how some of what God created but they probably wont get answers to all their questions .Besides ,science does not ask all the questions about life and death. a reply to: Barcs

AGAIN. Science is about physical evidence. If a proposition is not testable it is not scientific. Stop with the drivel already. Leave the science to the experts. You are not an expert, therefor your opinion means nothing when it comes to science or evolution. You are just in denial, and that's your problem, not mine. Science can't prove Santa Claus doesn't exist either. That doesn't mean he does.

And science cant prove the Big Bang happened

Liar liar pants on fire.

There may be lots of evidence for a big bang that you can believe but there are plenty of people,some scientist that don't

Who? Please name some top scientists that don't accept big bang as science. Be sure they are actual scientists and not creationist hacks. Sorry bud, but you gotta back up statements like that with more than conjecture.

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TL;DR

"I deny scientific evidence when it's philosophically convenient for me to do so"

Nope you are wrong again as to why .I wrestled with some of the why's in the past but kept studying to get the answer that made sense and found it .Once you find it ,it actually opens the door to understanding other things as well . Well that is what I have found . a reply to: Krazysh0t

AGAIN. Science is about physical evidence.

a reply to: Barcs How many other universes have they found ? How much Dark matter have they found ? How many black holes have they found . How many different big bang theory's do they have .They do have lots of models and lots of equations but they do not have the empirical evidence .So you will just have to believe them for now ,or not .

"I deny scientific evidence when it's philosophically convenient for me to do so"

a reply to: GetHyped Not true but I will decide how to interpret the scientific or non scientific data on my world view . You can do the same :>)

a reply to: the2ofusr1

You should have just let go. That's what I did. It certainly opened my eyes to new possibilities. I'll let god, if he exists, come to me. I'm done searching for him. If he wants me, he knows where to find me. He should also know how to get my attention in a way that I'd believe him. If that is too much to ask from him, then forget him.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1

AGAIN. Science is about physical evidence.

a reply to: Barcs How many other universes have they found ? How much Dark matter have they found ? How many black holes have they found . How many different big bang theory's do they have .They do have lots of models and lots of equations but they do not have the empirical evidence .So you will just have to believe them for now ,or not .

I fail to see how this has anything to do with the discussion. They do have empirical evidence for ALL of them. There is only one big bang theory. There is no theory of dark matter. There is no theory of other universes. We know black holes exist as we can measure their affects on surrounding starts and galaxies. You are ranting and raving about things you know nothing about and have yet to make a valid point about anything. Leave the science to the experts. You are only digging yourself deeper into oblivion with your ignorance.

Not true but I will decide how to interpret the scientific or non scientific data on my world view . You can do the same :>)

You can decide to bury your head in the sand if you'd like in favor of a complete guess, but it doesn't make you right. It makes you look foolish, and if you are trying to recruit followers you are failing miserably. Scientists are out there in the field trying to figure out how things work because it can benefit us as a species. You sit at home and have not even taken a basic science class, yet have the nerve to criticize science. There are books out there. There is information all over the internet. All experiments in the field are public knowledge. You can act like a child and deny it until the cows come home, but without conflicting data or evidence you just that guy on the corner preaching that the end is near.

The Bible says God chooses the fools to make wise . I am a fool for Christ .Man does not make converts for God . That is Gods domain . a reply to: Barcs

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
The Bible says God chooses the fools to make wise . I am a fool for Christ .Man does not make converts for God . That is Gods domain . a reply to: Barcs

Unfortunately fallible man wrote the bible, so there goes that logic. If you believe the bible you are placing your faith in man, not god.

My question to you then is, what are you trying to accomplish in this thread? You aren't debunking science only denying certain cherry picked fields that you don't like, while at the same time utilizing knowledge and technology gained from science to send this message. You aren't convincing anybody of anything, you are only showing that you don't really understand how science works. What you are doing is akin to going to a Kurt Kobain tribute show, only to badmouth the guy and talk about how much you hate his music without giving a single reason why. It begs the question, why did you even go to the show? Why are you trying to fight with science? Look at all the great things we have learned from it.

Man is fallible but God told them what to write down .Should He have used a monkey ? I am thinking that there must have been the first man to create a fire .I don't think his name was Eddy . So we see scientific men moving from caves to labs .A carpenter can build you a house but he is not a scientist .A mechanic can build you a car but he is not a scientist .A scientist can write a paper that some other none scientist can actually make something out of .The paper is a concept ,a abstract that a engineer will have to convert to a real empirical thing . That first man that made fire didn't need a scientific paper telling him that rubbing two sticks together would get hot enough to make fire . You don't need a calculator to make calculations .You do need to be able to calculate to make something real . Scientist make wrong calculations . They are fallible in what they do and think . They are not the only ones to get thing correct . A cave man can do that as well .


a reply to: Barcs

a reply to: the2ofusr1

...which is the textbook definition of bias and cherry picking. Luckily we have the scientific method to eliminate such bias. It's of no coincidence that your "interpretation" amounts to a rejection of scientific evidence that conflicts with your strict religious beliefs.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
Man is fallible but God told them what to write down .

Seeing how you got that information from the bible you really aren't proving a point here. You are STILL putting your faith in men in that they are telling the truth when they say the bible is the inspired word of god. Not to mention it is circular reasoning.

Should He have used a monkey ?

Well seeing as how monkeys don't write books, that probably wouldn't have been a bad idea. Then we'd have at least SOME evidence of supernatural occurrences (if you could prove that a monkey really wrote it).

I am thinking that there must have been the first man to create a fire .I don't think his name was Eddy . So we see scientific men moving from caves to labs .A carpenter can build you a house but he is not a scientist .A mechanic can build you a car but he is not a scientist .A scientist can write a paper that some other none scientist can actually make something out of .The paper is a concept ,a abstract that a engineer will have to convert to a real empirical thing . That first man that made fire didn't need a scientific paper telling him that rubbing two sticks together would get hot enough to make fire . You don't need a calculator to make calculations .You do need to be able to calculate to make something real . Scientist make wrong calculations . They are fallible in what they do and think . They are not the only ones to get thing correct . A cave man can do that as well .


a reply to: Barcs

Faulty reasoning. You are comparing an experiment (caveman creating fire) with the scientific method (scientists writing up their findings in a paper). Experiments are PART of the scientific method they aren't the same thing though. Anyone can do an experiment and discover a property, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are following the scientific method and are correct.