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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Hi SO...

Thought you might find this interesting.

Websites Suing Google Over AdAense



This bit did have me wondering....

website may have been banned because it used news that had been reblogged from other sites. Google does not allow "scraped" content.

Could the fact that a lot of ATS content comes from other News Sources have been the problem?

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I think pushare was a scam site. Its not there now.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: brookster18

aol killed the golden age of the internet and the old BBS systems.

Thanks for bearing witness to the 'golden age'.

Part of the problem these days is people DONT REMEMBER and they look at you like your an old man saying how much better it was before electricity.

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

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I think part of what I was trying to ay was that forums are rubbish. Oooops. not really, but in essence. The point I was trying to move to in my mind was that the forums dont work like they used to. So I looked for a typical example. I was thinking, Look at ANY topic, any at random, and you'll probably find a site on it. They have always been there BUT one thing that has happened is that people have moved from forums to just creating their own sites.

So I looked for history of babylon and came up with this site:

etc.ancient.eu...

Its not a perfect example as it looks well funded and grounded in the mainstream. BUT, if the author came onto ATS with an article they wouldn't be respected by all and would probably get flamed at some point and made to feel like an idiot. As such, they dont bother other than for tea breaks now and them.

Whilst i was trying to think in another direction, I think that ATS would do better with a similar model. Thats how it all seems to me. A place where ATS gets quality writers to write a quality post and then all the idiots just comment it.

Im not sure if im still on topic but the problems that ATS are havign intrique me as I have studied it all for years having been blocked by Google for so long in so many ways.

I actually wound up on this page for Babylon:

ww.ancient.eu/babylon/

I dont know anything about Babylon.

So what im saying is that to some extent, if anyone can start a post they they should in theory be able to run their own site. I know that people do all that with blogs and Wordpress sites already. What imsaying is that the forum posters or years ago have sort of left and are just doing their own sites. I took the strategy that if I was going to be ignored on forums that I might as well be ignored on my own site. I have forums where I have extend conversations with myself ever!!! Its actually sort of funny.

Back to the Google ban though.

i think much of it is to do with many things including the placement of ads that can be accidently clicked. Too many ads. Ads appearing on such poor threads that it breaks standards, forums where drug use is accepted, and very anti-social ideas.

In fact im lolling at th e moment with all the NLBS ads that I see as thats sort of where ATS could go. Instead of writing a thread that gets hijacked abd derailed, just create a read only show, make a clear point and job done.

So instead of just posting about life on Mars just create a site on life on Mars that presents all the facts etc and news. THERE YOU GO - There is NO site dedicated to it. so theres an opportunity.

I nearly started a web site that detailed all the Britsh UFO sitings. I have all the data. I just never got roounds to it. Another site was to detail all the British war medals and their stories.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Could the fact that a lot of ATS content comes from other News Sources have been the problem?

No. Many of those sites were in a category called "Search Arbitrage" -- sites that mirror entire articles via RSS feed scrapers.

Our long, long, long standing policy of respect content originators through snippet, link, and extra comments received applause from the audience at Google.

originally posted by: brookster18
Yes, only 53 donations is typical of the 'REALITY' of forum workings.

We now have 94 donations.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord with Australia's monetary value atm, my 25 bucka dono came to 31.65 and im proud as punch, still need help at the shop though, I've tried asking them, but i'd doubt they'd get a boof in a brothel with a fist full of fifty's eh!

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Yeah I thought that as more likely to be honest.




All I can advise is to sue them

Everyone… your support is hart warming. Not just the financial aid -- which is very much needed, and has been amazing -- but your comments as well. Seriously, the eyes have misted up several times… for real.


I've been exceptionally busy with a number of things, and just haven't had time to respond to the flood of private message that I have yet -- but I will soon.


The attacks are ongoing. We just had another today. Bastards.


For those who follow the ATS Twitter feed, you'll notice that we've stepped things up with hand-picking threads to tweet, and doing so more often. It's working, we're now getting nearly 1,000 clicks through to ATS from those tweets every day… and an average of 1,000 - 2,000 from other people tweeting ATS threads. Traffic helps.

If you're on social media, another very effective tactic to help is to simply tweet threads you like, or retweet what you see coming from us. If you don't like social media, don't bother.


I've engaged an infrastructure expert to begin considering how a the Open Source Platform for Citizen Journalism platform. The working name is jitcen -- Just In Time Citizen Editorial Network… jitcen.com. It hit me in the head last night, not sure yet if it's the right name. But it's a very rare six-letter pronounceable domain name that happened to be available. Once the dust settles, we'll be establishing a dedicated forum for brainstorming. (jitcen.com will not be the new name of ATS, but the site where the platform is promoted and released once we're done)

The forum/discussion software market is somewhat crowded (not terrible), but most of it still based on the forum legacy, which I want to evolve away from. I think engaging actual users in the process of deciding what it is, and what it will do, could create something incredibly unique. Current solutions are all designed by coders/techies.


More updates coming soon. Stay tuned.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Thank you for the info on the analytics issue

But I was correct in assuming the sheer enormity of ATS and its data make this much bigger than many ((including myself)) are aware of

Hence why I am quite sure a sustained SSDI and mitigation are terrifically pricey

Anyway...thanks for the breakdown

People are doing a lot of google bashing here in this thread. Let's not put the blame on any single corporation now... that's obtuse. It's pretty obvious to me but google is the front for the Above Top Secret effort to create the perfect environment for artificial intelligence, aka googlebaby. Researchers a long time ago realized that they could not program the a.i. with lines of code that it had to be done, over time, by the build up of intricate networks cascading onto other networks, eventually reaching a peak density of realization, resulting in a sort of auto-genesis process that gives birth to a.i.

We should keep ATS alive in the forum space of the internet, to generate the content for googlebaby to grow and to be born.

Keep in mind that google has also paid dearly for some of it's mistakes... google glasses are certainly cutting edge technology, but the public has sort of rejected that kind of technology... which makes google go back to the drawing board.

In the end, the give and take relationship is not about you/we/us versus google... it is all about mankind's global relationship with technology... a topic that can get quite heady and esoteric in a hurry. My advice is just to watch the Matrix or maybe eXistenZ or Harsh Realm.

The marriage between man & technology is eternal, for if we didn't have the tech, we would be defined as natural animals.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

No, that wan't it.

jitcen.

Sweet and simple! I like it. Sounds promising.

Gotta admit, kinda reminds me of the Jetsons cartoon long ago.

As an avid lurker, I will definitely contribute. I would even subscribe for $5-$10/mo. Unfortunately, I'm cash-strapped till the 31st. I don't know what I'd do without my daily dose of ATS. I've learned so much on this site and I thank all the site veterans who continually elevate the level of the debate.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
jitcen -- Just In Time Citizen Editorial Network… jitcen.com.

Just for inspiration.


Mike Grouchy

I just contributed towards this cause..... I could not give as much as I wanted...... but every little bit helps. ATS is much much more than a website it is a family of sorts. And when family members are in need you give what you can.



ATS must thrive.......It has to. My gut tells me it will, and my gut is usually right.

It's interesting. . .
When I saw the donate banner, I thought "I probably should. . ." But left it at that.
When I saw this thread I read through 13 pages, and thought. I should talk with my wife about me donating.

And then I thought about how many hours I spend reading on here. So I picked up the book just given to me for my birthday.
$30 for a hardback book.
. . .
$50 for a video game (sometimes plus a monthly subscription).
$10 for a fast food meal.
$15 for a movie
$20 for a Theatre ticket (at least).

Not one of these things has entertained me as long or as constantly as ATS has.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: Daedalus

We've passed up on several direct-buy campaigns (big advertisers paying to run specifically on ATS) because they wanted certain topics removed or suppressed.

Im interested in this..Care to name and shame the company and the topics they wanted suppressed??

Also if "we" the contributing community be it in content or donation fund this site then do "we" also have the right to true free speech? No topic off limit?

Just curious.

I am just as free speech as the next, but I think completely de-regulating all the subject matter currently forbidden may not be in the best interest of all. While I believe topics such as the consumption of certain substances which have been legalized in a specific state should get some leeway, I dread to so much as read a thread title discussing the merits of Torture, Sexual Depravities with animals or other such non-sense. I am certain there will be a fine line.

And dudes thanks for finally giving me an avenue to show you some support. Now the thing is, dont take it down when you finally reach your goal. Your welcome to make it slightly subtler, but leave that choice available for us to make. Just leave that donate button right there, and although I plan on making a substantially larger donation during tax time than what I just did, do what a previous poster recommended and allow others the option to choose their amount. For all we know, keeping the minimum at $10 may have stopped 1000 people from donating $1 each.

Its like yea you can cast day in and day out trying to land that trophy fish. But all the while you can also be keeping some of the smaller catches take home and eat after a hard day of fishing. I think you know what i am saying.

I have been to websites in the past for certain video games that I never ever event went to again but still managed to drop a dollar off if they asked for it. Not necessarily because they needed it, or asked for it, or because the information I found was worth it. because I had extra cash, they had information I needed, and I felt I can do my part top support that infrastructure.

One thousand paper cuts may be able to harm a person, but reverse the philosophy. A thousand people giving the smallest bit of themselves can still make a great big impact.