NASA Brings Scientists & Theologians Together To Prepare World For Extraterrestrial Contact

a reply to: JadeStar

The problem with them was that while they were large in stature their body to brain ratio was such that they had the IQ of a bird.

Thats pretty lame. Birds fly. Can you fly? Birds navigate thousands of miles to reach exact locations time and again. Can you do that?

How about catching insects with your mouth, weaving nests, laying eggs, partnering for life? Have you even come close to the barrel roll an eagle makes, catching fish on the wing?

Now wax prideful and tell me you can do all those things with technology. Yah, that others make. You aren't born to it.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: JadeStar

The problem with them was that while they were large in stature their body to brain ratio was such that they had the IQ of a bird.

Thats pretty lame. Birds fly. Can you fly? Birds navigate thousands of miles to reach exact locations time and again. Can you do that?

How about catching insects with your mouth, weaving nests, laying eggs, partnering for life? Have you even come close to the barrel roll an eagle makes, catching fish on the wing?

Now wax prideful and tell me you can do all those things with technology. Yah, that others make. You aren't born to it.

None of the above requires sophisticated intelligence. You are confusing a bird's physical adaptation to its environment with intelligence.

a reply to: JadeStar

You are confusing a bird's physical adaptation to its environment with intelligence.

I can't imagine anything more intelligent than the ability to fly. You making it sound rote isn't going to change my mind.

Akin to you learning to run, (not walk, run). Takes years for you.

Birds are soaring in months. Sometmes weeks. Penguins fly underwater. Neither adapt to "flying", they are born to it.

Further: A predatory bird like a fish eagle has to plan its attack, from the direction of shadow, from behind the fish on the surface.

Same with a falcon.

I watched a pair of Falcons coordinate their attack on a flock of grouse on the ground. The first bird dove on the flurry of birds who remained on the ground. They knew if they took flight the Falcon would take them. But after the first Falcon passed the second one dove out of the sun and took one that thought it was safe to escape.

This takes genius.

You're still assuming that the speed of light is the limiting factor. I don't know, it very well may be. But, if beings have visited Earth from other star systems, as I believe they have, they have obviously found a way around it. Communication between quantum particles is instant, no matter the distance between them. I know this isn't the same as matter traveling faster than light but it is proof that "something" can. a reply to: JadeStar

What if aliens have a religion that is similar or the same as one of ours?

Wouldn't that boggle some ATSers' minds.

The same would apply for the opposite.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: IWasHereEonsAgo

As human, if another off-world species came and wanted to exchange information, wouldn't you at least be interested in how they view Religion? They may have their own form of religion, wouldn't it be interesting to see the rituals and motions they go through for their own religion?

It would be safe to assume that they too, would be curious about ours.

Or perhaps the way they think is so different from us we can't comprehend it. Maybe like the way native Americans thought of the European way of life.

a reply to: JadeStar

What was that book published a few yrs ago, about the social implications of first contact? Hillary was caught holding a copy at some conference.

a reply to: bitsforbytes

You must've missed my post. Page 5 at the bottom.

a reply to: intrptr

Hardly genius.....moreso a result of evolution and practice in hunting their preferred prey.

Ducks fly in formations, not genius....cause they aint smart enough to not get shot during duck hunting season....genius would be something altogether different.

Ravens on the other hand, quite the intelligent bird, I must say.

Nevertheless, this is a silly argument and a waste of forum space on an interesting topic, and I expect more constructive arguments from you, Mr. intrprtr.

Please stick to the topic and don't mess up this thread with an off topic conversation.

Do not reply to this post.

NASA is doing these things to cope with what? An ongoing problem of constant bombardment of unknowns happening daily. Happening to astronauts, pilots, military, astronomers over centuries of time, etc. And it has accelerated exponentially after the atomic age began, and test bombs detonated. Also right after this same period were higher rocketry and RADAR technologies developed. After these things came to pass, it all began accelerating.

TPTB have been doing damage control ever since. Maybe now instead of damage control, it will change to accommodation for allowing something new. But with so many years of obfuscation, image editing, and lies, I'm curious how they will escape the wrath of truth, if that comes to pass.

originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: SirKonstantin

I'd like to play along with this thread, but I am 100% convinced that beings from other worlds will not be able to travel the great distance involved.
If the nearest civilization is even only say 10 light years away it would take 10 years to reach us at the speed of light. Travelling at the speed of light is not possible in the laws of physics. It is make believe because it does not correspond to the laws of matter. We could only achieve the speed of light if we were physically transformed into light. That is the only way we could match light for speed.

As for other dimensional beings, like a Creator and Angels, etc, well I think that is more likely.

Any beings that had the tech to travel to earth might as well be Gods in our eyes, their form and abilities would be that far above our own.
There may or may not be sentient intelligent beings elsewhere, but travel methods and feasibility are impossible because of the distances involved.

"Hi"

(10 years later) "Hi, who are you?"

Unlike a lot a people on this site, I am pretty skeptical when it comes to the earth being commonly visited due to many of the reasons you cite. I don't find it impossible that it has happened, rather it is either highly unlikely or very rare. Therefore, I would not be so unequivocal as you are. Speed of light travel and FTL travel have so many issues, it is likely they are not resolvable. However, the fact that NASA with the Alcubierre warp drive is even working on it means there are a lot of very smart people who think it is at least a possibility, worth some economic investment and are laying the ground work for the future, which unfortunately none of us will live to see.

Second, I always wonder about individuals who dismiss one possibility and then jump to another possibility, "As for other dimensional beings, like a Creator and Angels, etc, well I think that is more likely" that is both even more unprovable and probably even less likely. All of the higher dimensions are very small, or at least that is what physics indicates. Therefore, the concept that beings could live there, effectively next to us is an act of faith. The math equations may allow for it theoretically, but that does not make it true. I put this in the same category as wormholes. Theoretically possible, but highly improbable. The main problem I have with warping space is that the super massive black holes at the center of galaxies can't warp space enough to create a wormhole. Therefore, how could a human ever do it, much less do so without killing everyone and everything in the process. To not appear to contradict myself when discussing the Alcubierre warp drive above, I almost equate that proposed technology to a time machine...


"There may or may not be sentient intelligent beings elsewhere, but travel methods and feasibility are impossible because of the distances involved." The concept of the von Neumann and Bracewell probes are not technologically improbable. Rather, they require intergenerational patience to be effective. Considering how far humans have come technologically in just over a few thousand years of civilization, it is not a stretch to think that if humans survive 4 or 5 million more years that humans will have populated a large portion of the galaxy. Probably not by cruising around like Star Trek. But rather by using generational ships or shipping embryos with robotic caretakers. Yes, it will be expensive. But, if the human race is to survive long term, it is the only way. What I am trying to say is that space travel will never be as easy as Star Trek makes it look. But at the same time, if the human race wants to invest in colonizing the galaxy, it should be possible over a very long period of time with technology that is conceivable even under our current understanding of physics. That doesn't mean that it will ever happen. But, it does mean that it is not impossible which is what I understood your comments to mean.

Zapp Branigan said it best, "Ever since man first stepped out of his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new of looking at things, we have had but one dream...To kill him! So we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things!"

If we do make contact with a species not of this planet we just might have world peace, but not the way we imagine. Mankind will unite and forget our petty differences...in order to kill them because they are more different. That's human nature. We are set up biologically to see everything as an Us versus Them scenario.

a reply to: HomerinNC
I think that's a bunch hypocrisy by the Vatican. The ones who should make a strong heart against all the corruption and endless killings in wars . Who are involved in ritual killings , bribery and laundering money , want to baptise an intelligent alien race . Don't you think they would laugh them in the face . Because their Intel would be much greater then ours .

Think it would be more thinkable if they would baptise the Vatican and forgive them for all their sins they've done in the past and present.

I can just see the scene, alien craft lands in front of some famous world landmark, the aliens slowly but surely come out, their technology so advanced we are like cavemen to them. They fire up their universal translator and say "We come in peace" and then from in the crowd out comes a priest and says "I need to save your soul and baptise you with this holy water".

Cue much alien laughter and the words "we thought they were more intelligent than this".

The priest now despondent says "well you could at least sit on my lap"...

I find it very interesting that the Word "contact" is used.

Yeah it might just be Microorganisms but I believe they'd rather call it a Discovery then.


The 'We are alone in the universe" guys sure are having a bad time right now ha!

originally posted by: IWasHereEonsAgo
From April 2013...

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Pisses me off that baptise remark, although I don't know who to be pissed at: the media or the vatican guy.

Why do we insist on believing the medieval mindset that is judaism, Christianity and Catholicism??!!
Aliens wouldn't give a bloody damn about being baptised.

Well of the main arguments against disclosure is that it destroys any man made notion of religion.

If intelligent aliens come to Earth and say "There's no Creator God just the Big Bang and evolution" well then The Pope is out of a job

a reply to: SirKonstantin

Guten Morgen- Have You ever seen the movie "Gremlins"? You can't feed the "MagWai" after midnight and you CAN'T GET THEM WET!!! or they multiply..

a reply to: crayzeed

You mean like those gigantic steps that would 'fit' folks that were 20' tall.. Like Cyclops? Like Yeti, Sasquatch? Then when evolution takes over, the Etch-a-Sketch (Mother Earth) is shaken about and a new form takes place...

originally posted by: Oudoceus
You're still assuming that the speed of light is the limiting factor. I don't know, it very well may be.

I made no such assumption and referred to the work of Miguel Alcubierre Drive and Harold "Sonny" White's work on what *may* be away around the light barrier by warping space/time however this work is in the very EARLY stages and NASA has only just begun small scale tests of the warp theory.

As far as we know the speed of light is a limiting factor unless we learn a way around it like the Alcubierre drive which doesn't violate the laws of physics.

Maybe we and others CAN warp space time? We simply don't know yet but are working on it.

See this article: Clarifying NASA's Warp Drive Program - Spaceref.com

Unfortunately simply imagining others are doing it is not at all useful,

But, if beings have visited Earth from other star systems, as I believe they have,

I'd question why you'd believe this but that's for another thread.

they have obviously found a way around it.

Your assumption of this is based on a belief that we've been visited. Science would require good evidence of that before making this assumption so it's probably better that we work on the problem of "if they could get here how they could do it" in a lab rather than chase lights in the sky looking for answers ala Fox Mulder.

Communication between quantum particles is instant, no matter the distance between them. I know this isn't the same as matter traveling faster than light but it is proof that "something" can. a reply to: JadeStar

This a common misconception: That Quantum Entanglement could be used as some sort of faster than light communications device.

It doesn't seem like Quantum Entanglement can be used for communication faster than light though. The way that it works requires taking a measurement which can not be communicated faster than light as far as we know.

However that hasn't stopped scientists from working on ways around that. In fact one at my university is. Physicist John G. Cramer at the University of Washington is attempting to perform one type of these experiments and demonstrate whether or not it can produce superluminal or faster-than-light communication which of course would mean being able to communicate backwards in time.

See this article: Going For A Blast Into The Real Past - If the experiment works, a signal could be received before it's sent - Seattle Press-Intelligencer

Contrary to people like Stanton Friedman who claim science is simply too closed minded to allow for the seemingly impossible there actually ARE reputable scientists working on the very things he claims aliens are using.