Religion / Freemasonry / Witchcraft - Side by Side Comparison - Thieves and Saints

a reply to: SaturnFX

We are all builders. A builder is not the creator, but instead transmutes the creation into other forms. The point is that we used the fruit of knowledge by taking what would have been freely given. Humpty Dumpty was a egg that would have hatched on his own. The fall of man is directly tied to the demiurge that formed us. It was either for a reason or it was by pride. Judging from the bloodshed that continues today, it was (and still is) pride.

As I have said, my belief is that Yahweh is Adam's higher nature, while Satan is the accuser. These are all traits of every mind. As a simulation of creation, we are the image designed for better sacrifices above. Our simulation here builds the world we inherit.

Hebrews 9

23 The copies of the things in heaven had to be cleansed by these sacrifices. But the heavenly things themselves had to be cleansed by better sacrifices. 24 Christ didn’t go into a holy place made by human hands. He didn’t go into a model of the real thing. Instead, he went into heaven to appear in God’s presence on our behalf. 25 Every year the chief priest went into the holy place to make a sacrifice with blood that isn’t his own. However, Christ didn’t go into heaven to sacrifice himself again and again. 26 Otherwise, he would have had to suffer many times since the world was created. But now, at the end of the ages, he has appeared once to remove sin by his sacrifice. 27 People die once, and after that they are judged. 28 Likewise, Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of humanity, and after that he will appear a second time. This time he will not deal with sin, but he will save those who eagerly wait for him.

Although this is not the religion forum, secret societies cannot be disconnected from their source.

a reply to: AlephBet

Well written.

Though, esoteric really doesn’t mean hidden. It means inward. It’s the opposite of the exoteric which means outward.

Naturally the esoteric or inward is more obscure than the outward which is more open.

The word OCCULT means hidden...

People are attracted to the esoteric because it’s where the more genuine exists only because here in the west the exoteric has been emphasized too much therefore the religious system is out of balance.

A TRUE HEALTHY RELIIGOUS OR MYSTICAL SYSTEM HAS A PROPER BALANCE OF EXOTERIC AND ESOTERIC TEACHINGS INSIDE ITS DOCTRINE SO THE EXPRESSION OF THE TRUTH WILL BE BALANCED.

Doing any metaphysics without the esoteric is like trying to walk with one leg.
The deficiency of the esoteric can be laid at the doorstep of clerics who have traditionally distorted the esoteric, misunderstood it, and in most caseS hid it from the people.

This has caused in the west the occult movement. Not any evil intent there, imo.

Just nature abhorring a vacuum

originally posted by: AlephBet

Church - Open to anyone

I would pay money to watch a Presbyterian try to get into a Southern Baptist Church.

Church - No Secrets / Continuously seeking for hidden truth to be revealed

If the truth is 'hidden' how can there be no secrets.

The slimy mentality of organized religion is that the path to God is through them, that is the 'hidden truth'. Tell the Church to piss off since they are just a useless middleman.

Church - Inner and Outer Knowledge - Priests keep the inner knowledge secret

Thank you for confirming that organized religion does have secrets.

SS - Do what thou wilt - Will to take for self disguised as the will to give - Objectivism

Show me where Masonry has this tenet.

SS - Private Associations for the benefit of the few

Show me where Masonry has this mandate.

SS - Liberal Leaning - Liber Al / Service to Brotherhood

Yeah, all mankind, not just the people who share your particular flavor of Jesus-nuttery.


There once was a tool named PosteriorEd, it posted the same tired nonsense and was banned (that was its second time). This reminds me of that garbage.

Are you that person? A 'true' Christian would not lie. Have you been banned twice already?

NVM

a reply to: Willtell

I agree on the definitions, but avoided the word occult to keep the line of reasoning aligned with what should be rather than what is. Occult implies a well formed lie to suppress knowledge. Esoteric must be taught, which is what is required of the guardians. As you state, occult is closer to the truth of the situation. This is the problem in fact. Taking in selfishness is the same as being a thief.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We are all builders formed from the original architect. The mystery is one mystery. The architect (demiurge) is learning the same lessons we learn. And yes, you are correct that we are born again into the system we inhabit.

Deny ignorance and rise to new life. Seek, Find and Adapt. Necessity was the mother.

originally posted by: AlephBet

And yes, you are correct that we are born again into the system we inhabit.

Really? I do not recall saying that.

Deny ignorance and rise to new life. Seek, Find and Adapt. Necessity was the mother.

You did not answer my question; were you twice-banned from this site?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Do I inhabit this system?

originally posted by: AlephBet
Do I inhabit this system?

From your rambling, incoherent posts it is my opinion you inhabit a system of your own delusion.

You still did not answer my question; were you banned twice?

Lies of omission are still lies and good little Christian boys and girls do not lie. Answer the question.

a reply to: AlephBet

Neighbour, where on earth are you getting the information on Witchcraft? For while I am not a Witch/WIccan I am a neopagan, and taht describes very few of the groups practicing today.

a reply to: AlephBet

As a person with extensive knowledge on the subject of secret societies, I feel the need to give you this piece of advice. Delving into the hidden secrets of Freemasons is not a smart move. Take it from me, publicising their secrets will not be well received by official members of the crafts...

originally posted by: IndependentAgent
Take it from me, publicising their secrets will not be well received by official members of the crafts...

Why? They have been published by the public since the 1700's. And frankly, he did not post anything 'secret'.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I was just giving advise for the future, just in case he decides to do so.

It may be true that 'secrets' may have been published, but is that which was published true?

originally posted by: IndependentAgent
I was just giving advise for the future, just in case he decides to do so.

No one would care if he did or did not.

It may be true that 'secrets' may have been published, but is that which was published true?

Maybe.

a reply to: AlephBet

So Mote it Be

Did you know that the word "Amen" also hold that meaning?

originally posted by: AlephBet
Church - No Secrets / Continuously seeking for hidden truth to be revealed

The church of Rome and other churches certainly do not want the truth about their continued child abuse to be revealed!

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Perhaps you missed the answer twice.

originally posted by: IndependentAgent
a reply to: AlephBet

As a person with extensive knowledge on the subject of secret societies, I feel the need to give you this piece of advice. Delving into the hidden secrets of Freemasons is not a smart move. Take it from me, publicising their secrets will not be well received by official members of the crafts...

You clarify your intent with every post. Continue.

originally posted by: IndependentAgent
a reply to: AlephBet

So Mote it Be

Did you know that the word "Amen" also hold that meaning?

AMEN is Aleph Mem Tav, which means true. AMN is the Hebrew root. AMN in Greek means Lamb. There are 8 words made from AMN that paint the picture of the lamb's involution.

AMN - Lamb
AMNI - River of Life (Jordan)
AMNIO - Bowl catching the sacrifice and blood of the lamb
AMNION - Sac covering the baby in the womb
AMNiotic - Fluid of the womb
AMNesia - Condition of the lamb at birth - We forget

AMNesty - When God forgets our trespass, which is what baptism represents in the waters of life.

dAmnation - When God remembers. Taking away the lamb.

True Lamb is what AMEN means. Adam

Understand something folks, masonry is about getting rid of religious bigotry not really anything else like racism and other forms of injustices; in fact it is and has been very elitist.

If masonry was created for anything it was to help dethrone the medieval religious ethic of Europe.

It should be credited with helping eliminate this pernicious religious dogma and intolerance, though on other issues it is still involved with ethnocentric elitism, outside of reliigon, and has much to learn.

Thats so becasue the masonry has not eliminated racism and elitism, again that's probably not thier mission...which was to be a counter to the Church christianity.

Witchcraft is a religion whether they want to acknowledge that or not.

I think some masons practice witchcraft which has nothing to do with masonry.

Both institutions have aided in dethroning (medieval Christianity) which would have made ISIS look like girl scouts