Squeeze the Grape and Get Wine Gilbert - The Nakedness of a Beautiful Mind

As I have wandered this wasteland Above the Top Secret horizon of eternity, I step back to reflect on my naked mind and the clothing I have tried on. When you squeeze a grape, you get wine. Now that the juice has had a chance to ferment in the open air of this forum, I would like to reflect on what I have learned.

Nakedness and Deception

I have learned the full extent of our nakedness (lack of knowledge) and that all nations ARE deceived currently. Despite my best efforts, the deception lingers and widens with every new fact found. Is there Hope? Yes. Is there a foundation for Faith? Of course. Faith is lack of fact. Is Love the object of Supreme Goodness? Yes, because our hope is in love and goodness. This IS the hope.

The Best Candidate for the True God

I have leaned that the true Father and Mother (Holy Spirit) are one. Our hope would be their Goodness and endless Loving Kindness. By all appearances, they entered like a flash of lightening, then dissipated into the depths of mans DNA as Adam. Like a flash of insight uttered in silence, they spoke lightly and softly in Genesis 1, delivering the still small voice crying out for us to listen to the first words spoken. What did they say? Be fruitful and multiply. The fruit of creation belongs to you. They proclaimed a time of rest as their new creation engaged its first few breaths. They rest quietly inside each human being, patiently guiding us to truth as a Shepherd guiding and protecting sheep.

Yahweh and his Snake Satan

I have learned that Yahweh is likely not God, although he desperately wants us to think he is. His character is abrasive, unloving and full of arrogance. He enjoys the shedding of blood, which was expressly forbade by the Father (Elohim) in Genesis 9. I could go on, but this would serve no purpose. If Satan ends his days in the Abyss, what of Yahweh who made him what he was? Are there alternatives to our view of Yahweh? Of course. Our nakedness prevents us from exploring further, yet that still small voice from Genesis 1 calls out. Babel tries to deny us at every turn. We are naked, clothed only by the knowledge we glean from life to life and the still small voice locked by truth in our hearts. We are held in a state of perpetual amnesia at each baptism of life in the water. Even this is not fully known to be a fact. By all accounts, our slate is cleaned at each rebirth. Rising to new life ends when we overcome and are clothed with a new Robe (body) and Crown (mind). It's a process to move from Aleph to Tav.

The Son of God and Lamb Slain from the Foundation

I have learned that Adam is likely the Lamb of God and Son of Elohim (Father) and Ruach Elohim (Mother). If the story in the NT is accurate, then the will of the Father is manifest in the Son. There are many good questions to ask, yet we require asking the question because of Yahweh and his Snake. If we knew, no question would be necessary. Again, we are naked and deceived according to the last book on the subject. Adam is called the Son of God in Luke 3. By this, we know our own identity.

Baptism and Ordinances

I have learned that ordinances like baptism are symbols that have yet to be defined by the church. This is such a sad fact. Baptism, of all the ordinances, is so easy to define. We are born into the waters of life to repent. By this, we rise to new life in the water. It's an opportunity to overcome an enemy each time we are reborn. That enemy continues to gain strength as time progresses. His strength becomes his weakness as it turns to pride. Is this enemy a true enemy, or merely God putting on a mask? Again, good question to ask, but you will find no answer in the mirror. At each point in your search, you will find another question in the reflection between God and his image. The search for the emerald requires the slave to dig among the pegmatite. The emerald is hidden and must be forced out of the rock. Once you find the emerald you were looking for, you realize it was the journey and not the stone that yielded the greatest treasure.

The Greatest Source of Knowledge is not the Bible

Is the Bible the emerald and true word of God? I can honestly say this with a smile on my face. The true word of God is you. Within your DNA, you are expressed by two strands of information called Word. That word is produced by what is hidden in the letters of the Tree of Life. The sWord protects that tree until the fire is removed and the sWord is overcome. How is this accomplished? Overcoming enemies and rising to new life. Enemies are overcome by forgiveness.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

Darkness flees from light. If you become the light, you no longer need to worry about the enemy at your doorstep. You have overcome. Light allows room to forgive. Love is the meaning of the entire exercise. If you can love an enemy, you can love anyone.

The Ultimate Lesson

The ultimate lesson is the truth of God's will. His will is to give and receive only. Anyone who takes (including Yahweh as a principality and power) is a thief. God's first gift to us was Creation. If we learn the lesson, we receive more. He never takes. Seek, Find and Adapt Son of God. You are from the light. Darkness has no hold on you if you are light eternal. If you say you know, you don't. Until you are clothed by the Father, you are unprepared to know. Be satisfied to allow Him room to teach. When he completes his creation of faith in you, you will come to know his will. The Son of God is his work in progress, which is you and I and the entire Loaf of bread baking in the oven. Enjoy the Mother's cup while you are here. She gives birth to you when you are complete.

John 6:65 - 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

The Nakedness of a Beautiful Mind is a terrible thing to waste. Use your time wisely and keep seeking. Don't stop until you find. Until then, squeeze the grape Gilbert. The grape belongs to you and always has. Wake from rest and remember. Judge what has transpired by the filter of truth, then adapt. Learn to give and never take. Love and care for your brother Arnie. He needs someone to look after him.

This is what I have learned.

you are so full of crap every thread i read of yours i got to get my boots on cause the bs is too much

Just when I thought you could't get any more eccentric/cooler, you through a song by Travis with a Gilbert Grape video in at the end of your thread.
Good job on the thread I always enjoy reading your take on religion.

originally posted by: moren
you are so full of crap every thread i read of yours i got to get my boots on cause the bs is too much

I accept the abuse gladly. You are free to read other threads. My next few will be an outline of Rumi the Sufi, which is another story of love. Make sure to avoid clicking if you dislike my threads.

originally posted by: NotMoose
Just when I thought you could't get any more eccentric/cooler, you through a song by Travis with a Gilbert Grape video in at the end of your thread.
Good job on the thread I always enjoy reading your take on religion.

Thank you.

I read a couple of good Rumi quotes in relation:

Graffiti people on bathhouse walls have intelligent origins,
but think of who drew the mind.

How clever is this statement? Baptism is the bathhouse of reality, where we are the ones writing Graffiti on this wall called ATS. Clever origins come from our words as we try to explain our nakedness (as in the bath), yet who drew the mind?

We can understand our own words, yet who can understand God's mind? Amazing!

Really, nothing I say is worth anything. It's the fact I can that speaks volumes.

a reply to: AlephBet

Good for you not listening to haters. Threads like yours is what ATS is about. You do your research and give us your take on the issue. Too many threads now are sourced from MSM. We are here to think outside of the box.

Keep up your work.

a reply to: AlephBet

I heard a great quote here on ATS just yesterday but unfortunately I have forgotten most of it already, exactly. It was in any case Jim (James?) O'Berg. (spelling?)

"Mindless mockery is the last bastion of...." something or other, along those lines, more or less, derogatory. Factlessness? Meh!

I tried to help and as so often, failed miserably... ah well. Back to rock'n'roll.

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

What an incredibly appropriate song at the time, yet inappropriate in so many ways. Talk about drawing graffiti on the wall of the bathhouse. But who drew the mind that sung it?

Thank you for that. Makes me think.

AlephBet ill admit youve a few threads i liked and interested me but lately it seems like your reaching and just too full of sht to keep my interest this one is the lowest of the low in my opinion

As soon as everyone wakes up and admits that the bible is not the word of a god, the sooner we can begin to face the truth and attempt to repair humanity and, hopefully, the Earth as well.

originally posted by: AlephBet
As I have wandered this wasteland Above the Top Secret horizon of eternity, I step back to reflect on my naked mind and the clothing I have tried on. When you squeeze a grape, you get wine. Now that the juice has had a chance to ferment in the open air of this forum, I would like to reflect on what I have learned.

Nakedness and Deception

I have learned the full extent of our nakedness (lack of knowledge) and that all nations ARE deceived currently. Despite my best efforts, the deception lingers and widens with every new fact found. Is there Hope? Yes. Is there a foundation for Faith? Of course. Faith is lack of fact. Is Love the object of Supreme Goodness? Yes, because our hope is in love and goodness. This IS the hope.

The Best Candidate for the True God

I have leaned that the true Father and Mother (Holy Spirit) are one. Our hope would be their Goodness and endless Loving Kindness. By all appearances, they entered like a flash of lightening, then dissipated into the depths of mans DNA as Adam. Like a flash of insight uttered in silence, they spoke lightly and softly in Genesis 1, delivering the still small voice crying out for us to listen to the first words spoken. What did they say? Be fruitful and multiply. The fruit of creation belongs to you. They proclaimed a time of rest as their new creation engaged its first few breaths. They rest quietly inside each human being, patiently guiding us to truth as a Shepherd guiding and protecting sheep.

Yahweh and his Snake Satan

I have learned that Yahweh is likely not God, although he desperately wants us to think he is. His character is abrasive, unloving and full of arrogance. He enjoys the shedding of blood, which was expressly forbade by the Father (Elohim) in Genesis 9. I could go on, but this would serve no purpose. If Satan ends his days in the Abyss, what of Yahweh who made him what he was? Are there alternatives to our view of Yahweh? Of course. Our nakedness prevents us from exploring further, yet that still small voice from Genesis 1 calls out. Babel tries to deny us at every turn. We are naked, clothed only by the knowledge we glean from life to life and the still small voice locked by truth in our hearts. We are held in a state of perpetual amnesia at each baptism of life in the water. Even this is not fully known to be a fact. By all accounts, our slate is cleaned at each rebirth. Rising to new life ends when we overcome and are clothed with a new Robe (body) and Crown (mind). It's a process to move from Aleph to Tav.

The Son of God and Lamb Slain from the Foundation

I have learned that Adam is likely the Lamb of God and Son of Elohim (Father) and Ruach Elohim (Mother). If the story in the NT is accurate, then the will of the Father is manifest in the Son. There are many good questions to ask, yet we require asking the question because of Yahweh and his Snake. If we knew, no question would be necessary. Again, we are naked and deceived according to the last book on the subject. Adam is called the Son of God in Luke 3. By this, we know our own identity.

Baptism and Ordinances

I have learned that ordinances like baptism are symbols that have yet to be defined by the church. This is such a sad fact. Baptism, of all the ordinances, is so easy to define. We are born into the waters of life to repent. By this, we rise to new life in the water. It's an opportunity to overcome an enemy each time we are reborn. That enemy continues to gain strength as time progresses. His strength becomes his weakness as it turns to pride. Is this enemy a true enemy, or merely God putting on a mask? Again, good question to ask, but you will find no answer in the mirror. At each point in your search, you will find another question in the reflection between God and his image. The search for the emerald requires the slave to dig among the pegmatite. The emerald is hidden and must be forced out of the rock. Once you find the emerald you were looking for, you realize it was the journey and not the stone that yielded the greatest treasure.

The Greatest Source of Knowledge is not the Bible

Is the Bible the emerald and true word of God? I can honestly say this with a smile on my face. The true word of God is you. Within your DNA, you are expressed by two strands of information called Word. That word is produced by what is hidden in the letters of the Tree of Life. The sWord protects that tree until the fire is removed and the sWord is overcome. How is this accomplished? Overcoming enemies and rising to new life. Enemies are overcome by forgiveness.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

Darkness flees from light. If you become the light, you no longer need to worry about the enemy at your doorstep. You have overcome. Light allows room to forgive. Love is the meaning of the entire exercise. If you can love an enemy, you can love anyone.

The Ultimate Lesson

The ultimate lesson is the truth of God's will. His will is to give and receive only. Anyone who takes (including Yahweh as a principality and power) is a thief. God's first gift to us was Creation. If we learn the lesson, we receive more. He never takes. Seek, Find and Adapt Son of God. You are from the light. Darkness has no hold on you if you are light eternal. If you say you know, you don't. Until you are clothed by the Father, you are unprepared to know. Be satisfied to allow Him room to teach. When he completes his creation of faith in you, you will come to know his will. The Son of God is his work in progress, which is you and I and the entire Loaf of bread baking in the oven. Enjoy the Mother's cup while you are here. She gives birth to you when you are complete.

John 6:65 - 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

The Nakedness of a Beautiful Mind is a terrible thing to waste. Use your time wisely and keep seeking. Don't stop until you find. Until then, squeeze the grape Gilbert. The grape belongs to you and always has. Wake from rest and remember. Judge what has transpired by the filter of truth, then adapt. Learn to give and never take. Love and care for your brother Arnie. He needs someone to look after him.

This is what I have learned.

You have learned nothing. Many times, by many people, you have been proven wrong.

Lets review what you have learned.

Satan was NOT created for evil, but created perfect and without sin, created to be an Angel of Worship.

Adam's blood was not shed, there are not scripture to support that, and as was pointed out to you, if there was scripture to support that, that was not death of harm done to him.

Adam was not the one who hang on the cross. He died 4000 years before the Crucifixion, and official documents from Pilate and Herod, even letters sent to them by other rulers and king, confirm the identity of the man crucified was Yehoshua.

Noah DID take 7 pairs of selected animals onto the Ark. One pair of every breathing animal was led into the ark, but Noah took the 7 pairs, as commanded, onto the boat for both food and sacrifice.


When keeping that in mind, the most important thing to note is that your thoughts and ideas have no scriptural bases on which it can be built.

originally posted by: centhwevir1979
As soon as everyone wakes up and admits that the bible is not the word of a god, the sooner we can begin to face the truth and attempt to repair humanity and, hopefully, the Earth as well.

Here is some statistics relieving the result of removing Bible from public schools.













Statistics show that removing the Bible from society WAS the downfall of humanity.

a reply to: IndependentAgent

No need to quote the entire OP. It is a waste of the ATS server space. No need to repeat yourself with opinion Ad Hominem. Simply speak to a specific point, then let your own opinion come from the context and not a perceived pretext against my character. This is a very poor tactic and a fallacy at best. Speak to the subject and refuse to step on the object. Most ATS users would prefer that you fix these tactics in place of real discussion on the topic.

You are not the judge of any person other than yourself. The Bible is replete with warnings against bias and condescension against others a judgment, which amounts to a judgment against yourself. Galatians 5 answer is best. Use the fruit.

a reply to: IndependentAgent

Your pretext and not my words.

a reply to: IndependentAgent

Your pretext and not mine. Did I say something about Bibles being bad? The Bible is the central source of truth, but also the source for the knowledge of evil. Both are necessary. Please stop derailing my threads.

a reply to: AlephBet

If I could, I would remove the quote. (I do have international recognition for being a web developer, so I do know that it is possible to quote already existing content without adding more storage. But I don't think that is the case here on ATS.)

But I will stand by my point that you are ignoring scripture that shows your view to be false and misleading.

a reply to: AlephBet

What are you even referring to? I said nothing to you about "Bibles being bad."

a reply to: IndependentAgent

That has seriously got to be the biggest load of bull I've ever seen on this site.

ETA: Please link to where those images come from.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Its on the bottom of the images