Pregnant Woman Perfectly Tells Off Anti-Abortion Protestors

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

I'm not sure if you are under the impression that the lady challenging the protesters is going for an abortion, but if so i'l just point out that she is merely a passer by.

a reply to: skalla

Yes sir I am, I watched the vid.

But that does not change the validity of my questions.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: eletheia
That is an opinion not a fact. Nasa finds a microbe and calls it life.

It is a fact that a foetus cannot exist outside of its present environment

(the uterus) at this present stage of science.

That lady looks to be very far into her pregnancy. Where do you draw the line for abortions? My niece was 6 weeks premature and is a perfectly healthy 10 year old. Could she have been aborted at that stage? To me that's murder. 6 weeks in I think it's still a pile of cells. Where life begins has been debated for years.

I didn't know it was the woman in the vid going in for a termination as

I have little sound on it, but if it is in line with the law .... HER CHOICE ...

Personally I think 14 weeks is long enough to make that decision in this

day and age when a pregnancy can be confirmed within days.

also it makes no sense that a man has no say in the decision to have an abortion. He will be legally responsible but only after the birth. Where is his choice?

Her body ... Her choice ...

Would you be happy for another to make decisions on your body?

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

Men often do get a say in an abortion - contrary to claims otherwise. I've been involved in such a discussion more than once but the final decision should rest with the woman for, imo, obvious reasons.

Obviously if you impregnate an irrational crazy then it's just tough titty and you shoulda been a lot more careful where you stuck it and how you wrapped it, or didn't.

UK Abortion Law

Under UK law, an abortion can usually only be carried out during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy as long as certain criteria are met (see below).

The Abortion Act 1967 covers England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern Ireland, and states:
•abortions must be carried out in a hospital or a specialist licensed clinic
•two doctors must agree that an abortion would cause less damage to a woman's physical or mental health than continuing with the pregnancy

There are also a number of rarer situations when the law states an abortion may be carried out after 24 weeks. These include:
•if it's necessary to save the woman's life
•to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman
•if there is substantial risk that the child would be born with serious physical or mental disabilities

Generally, an abortion should be carried out as early in the pregnancy as possible, usually before 12 weeks and ideally before 9 weeks where possible.

Source

originally posted by: boymonkey74

1) Do you want abortion illegal?.
2) If made illegal how are you going to stop women having a back alley abortion?.
3) What punishment are you going to give them.
4) Who looks after and pays the many more unwanted kids we have in the world seeing we are not looking after the ones we have now?.

I don't think you are going to get any satisfactory answers to these questions. These questions are too inconvenient to answer. All that matters is that the child wasn't killed before birth to them.

a reply to: boymonkey74

As abortions are part of medical care and we have a right to medical anonymity, surely those filming the women should have been arrested as they were invading those womens privacy? They are potentially exposing a confidential medical choice that these women have made.

Take it further, what if one of said women has a partner that has serious domestic violence issues - he could then see these pictures, leaving the woman / women involved in danger.

Basically, it is not only immoral, it is decidely dangerous behaviour. I think my response would have been to sit opposite them filming them filming the women. Something tells me they wouldn't really like that.

a reply to: Flavian

I'm pretty sure that medical history information confidentiality only extends to hospital staff. A civilian filming you walk in the door of the hospital isn't subject to that confidentiality. They don't have a medical license to lose.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

Not when your on the other end of it

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I agree it is a hard choice but hers alone to make.


Before the people who are pro life come in I want them to answer these questions.

1) Do you want abortion illegal?.
2) If made illegal how are you going to stop women having a back alley abortion?.
3) What punishment are you going to give them.
4) Who looks after and pays the many more unwanted kids we have in the world seeing we are not looking after the ones we have now?.

1) Yes, murder should be illegal.
2) The same way any criminal activity done in a back alley is handled. Specifically murder, since that's what this is.
3) Whatever the law states for murder.
4) Adoptions. Orphanages. Any non-murder solution.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Surely it is still an invasion of privacy without permission to film though? If i objected to the Police that someone was filming me without permission, they would have to delete the film. What is different here?

a reply to: Flavian

Says who? How many youtube videos exist of someone filming some random event only to see some stramger completely embarrass themselves? In this day and age, expect to be filmed by someone. The only time you are allowed to object is if the people are going to make money selling the video (like being put in a television show or movie).

a reply to: eletheia

I agree with the 14 week thing. There should be a cutoff.
But after that cut off its not only her body, it's the human living inside her body that deserves a choice.
Where does the fetus become a life?

Would I be happy with others making decisions about my body? Not really, but it happens all the time.
I can't buy a 32oz soda in nyc.
I can't smoke a cigarette in my car in a hospital parking lot.
I have to wear a seat belt while driving.
My body, my choice right?
The world is full of contradictions.

How about too young. Or unmarried or hell I just don't want to be a mother? Any reason at all. It only needs to matter to the woman . No one else. No woman has to justify this choice. It's a decision that is never easy and for some may color the remainder of their lives but that decision no matter the reason is hers and hers alone to make. She could say the reason is because it's Tuesday and that's her business.

reply to: intrptr

Great video. I can't believe women who've exercised their choice to have abortions and then go out and tell other women that they shouldn't have the same choice! They're disgusting hypocrites!

originally posted by: pheonix358
The one problem that I have with the abortion debate is that no one ever asks the dads for their input.

NO ONE EVER asks the dad??? Are you serious? All women have abortions without talking to the father about it? Are you saying that NO MEN ever encourage women to have abortions? NO MEN ever say, "I'm not ready for a child. Have you considered an abortion?" NO men are ever consulted???

That's hyperbole at least and more likely complete BS! I would guess that most women who find themselves pregnant go to the father first thing!

I'm sure there are some women who don't consult the man for whatever reason, but to say that no one ever asks the dads is just false, and ruins your credibility.

I see you asked someone else:

originally posted by: pheonix358
Why did you go for the extreme view.

Why did YOU?

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: boymonkey74

As abortions are part of medical care and we have a right to medical anonymity, surely those filming the women should have been arrested as they were invading those womens privacy? They are potentially exposing a confidential medical choice that these women have made.

Take it further, what if one of said women has a partner that has serious domestic violence issues - he could then see these pictures, leaving the woman / women involved in danger.

Basically, it is not only immoral, it is decidely dangerous behaviour. I think my response would have been to sit opposite them filming them filming the women. Something tells me they wouldn't really like that.

women go to clinics for birth control and pap smears too. They are not just for terminating an unwanted pregnancy.

And to the person above who said its murder.(Not you monkey boy) According to the law it's not. That is what we have to live by. Laws. Not some half fast moral judgement.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I could never agree with anyone getting an abortion for any reason short of rape. But it was a treat to see a black woman speak perfectly intelligible.



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I can't believe you just said that. Oh my God I really am flabbergasted. Really? Classless just totally.

a reply to: PaJoe52

a reply to: PaJoe52

Are you implying that black women are usually incapable of intelligent speech?

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

Just for clarification, do you feel a woman can have an abortion at any point during the pregnancy? "Even tuesday" lol. Or do think that there should be a limit?

originally posted by: PaJoe52
a reply to: boymonkey74

I could never agree with anyone getting an abortion for any reason short of rape. But it was a treat to see a black woman speak perfectly intelligible.

just in case you edit

ETA: i'd report you, but I actually think it better that folk see you for what you are

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
I can't believe you just said that. Oh my God I really am flabbergasted. Really? Classless just totally.

a reply to: PaJoe52

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to catch that..