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originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: Rex282
You are lying I know for a fact you have said YOU were the one crying in the wilderness before.This is a very easy discoverable fact and is forever documenting on the WWW.
If you are going to call me a liar, at least provide the LINK:
THREAD
And then quote me:
"Self-righteousness is as bad as wickedness. I choose to follow the story to its end and be honest about what it says. I may be a lone voice crying in the wilderness. So be it. I will cry out here in this place."
originally posted by: AlephBet
originally posted by: IndependentAgent
I may be why out of line here, but I think I understand something, I see people do this all the time.
Why are you so desperately trying to find reasons not to believe, or respect Yahweh?
If you can read the OT and respect the one that Shed Adam's blood, made the Snake to be an accuser / deceiver and proclaimed himself God, then have at it. I am beyond that day in my life. Now that I know the truth of the names, and the higher axiom of Elohim as Father and Ruach Elohim as Mother, the entire story and my former presuppositions must change. Theology is founded on the Bible with wrong names intentionally blotted out for God and Lord. Even Adam was changed to the word mankind. Restoring the original form then allows a far different story to be read.
Make sure you know that I have remained honest about my view from day one. As it changes, you read it in my threads. I repeat myself as an update to what I have found. Seek, Find and Adaptation. That's the reason for involution (baptism) and rising to new life (evolution). Our directive is to deny ignorance, both in the Bible and here in this place.
originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: IndependentAgent
I though we had agreed that bias and condescension would be left behind?
originally posted by: IndependentAgent
originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: IndependentAgent
I though we had agreed that bias and condescension would be left behind?
The problem is that we are not arguing about sport or politics. This is the most important issue we can argue or debate upon. This is the "life or death" argument.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
Why didn’t Elohim punish Yahwey straight away for those crimes against mankind, why wait 4000 plus years, to punish him…???
And more to the point, why didn’t Elohim put a stop to Yahweh in the beginning, or punish him sooner…especially considering that Elohim is the most High God…???
Originally posted by AlphaBet
Asking why God does something is answered by his will.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Also if Yahweh created the snake, then why is the snake hounding him in the New Testament, surely he would still have power over his own creation…???
Originally posted by AlphaBet
I love that you asked such an insightful question.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
First, he has command over his pet snake.
Job 1:12
Yahweh told Satan, “Everything he has is in your power, but you must not lay a hand on him!” Then Satan left Yahweh’s presence.
Second, he says this to his obedient pet:
Zechariah 3:2
Yahweh said to Satan, “I, Yahweh, silence you, Satan! I, Yahweh, who has chosen Jerusalem, silence you! Isn’t this man like a burning log snatched from a fire?”
Then, in the wilderness, Jesus tells Satan the same at the temptation. Does Jesus have command over demons? Like I said, we have a mystery to solve here and it's not what we have been told.
Originally posted by AlphaBet The Kore Kosmu, better known as the Virgin (or eye) of the World, is an ancient Egyptian Hermetic fragment that has been widely read and studied by scholars and theologians. If there is one thing I have learned in my studies, the Hermetic documents from Egypt open up the various hidden stories in the Bible. Consider the years that Joseph and Moses spent in Egypt, the flight to Egypt that was taken by Jesus and his family, and the exodus from Egypt to the Holy Land. What was learned by Moses in Egypt before writing the Bible? I think this document may hold a clue. As well, the Corpus Hermeticum is a valuable document to read in relation to this treasure from Egypt.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Also, getting back to my original reply. Jesus message would have looked totally different if he was the one who caused original sin…
I mean, just read the whole of John 8…and ask yourself the question, “would anyone, who had a hand in original sin, have had the audacity, to say some of things Jesus says, in that chapter…???
Originally posted by AlphaBet
I only have so much time in a day and so much energy, but I do need to now reread the entire NT to glean from this different paradigm I have found. It is required. Once you rise to a higher axiom, then all former presuppositions change.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
If I say, fold it in half, then you need to go back to the sentence to redefine the word double. Truth is in the presuppositions. If you assume LORD is GOD, then you have assumed the wrong thing. Translators were counting on it.
Yeah, he has power over him, because He created him, but why is the snake even bothering to try and tempt the one who created him…???…why even take the risk;
Additionally, don’t you think that all these stories are actually metaphors and coded mystery teachings, that are not meant to taken literally ...i.e. that they’re mainly about our internal inner struggle with ourselves, and our own nature etc…?
Ironically, you’ve already found some key truth IMO, but have somehow dismissed it, by continuing and persisting, in your own multi-layered literal interpretations…
A “presupposition”, is defined as believing something to be true, without any evidence or proof; so NO, truth is not found in presuppositions…IMO
originally posted by: AlephBet
originally posted by: IndependentAgent
originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: IndependentAgent
I though we had agreed that bias and condescension would be left behind?
The problem is that we are not arguing about sport or politics. This is the most important issue we can argue or debate upon. This is the "life or death" argument.
First, you are the one arguing in this discourse. I am sharing my view.
Stick to scripture for your arguments if you wish to argue scripture.
originally posted by: AlephBet
If you are implying that I am ignorant, you will suffer judgment for even calling a person a fool according to scripture.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Yeah, he has power over him, because He created him, but why is the snake even bothering to try and tempt the one who created him…???…why even take the risk;
Also, he is tempting the one who has command and power over him, which seems like a strange thing to do IMO…considering that he only takes orders, from the one who created him…
I mean, who’s giving the snake his orders, to tempt Yahweh, the one who created him…??? Isn’t Yahweh the one, who commands him (Snake) what to do…???
Originally posted by AlphaBet
Can I say it again.Your are confusing the two threads. This thread explores the idea that Adam is the Son of God, which implies that Adam was the one being tempted by Satan. Adam, being the Redeemer. What thread are you in right now? Keep the two straight. The thread on Yahweh was the last thread.
We are exploring two different ideas in two different threads.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Additionally, don’t you think that all these stories are actually metaphors and coded mystery teachings, that are not meant to taken literally ...i.e. that they’re mainly about our internal inner struggle with ourselves, and our own nature etc…?
Ironically, you’ve already found some key truth IMO, but have somehow dismissed it, by continuing and persisting, in your own multi-layered literal interpretations…
Originally posted by AlphaBet
Again, different threads exploring different ideas and speculating as to how the pieces fit together in the overall mosaic. Yes to metaphors/allegories and coded mysteries in symbolic form. I do agree that they are in this form for a reason. Like the temple with no stone left overturned, the bits in the Mosaic by Moses must be fit together exactly right.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
Presupposition: a thing tacitly assumed beforehand at the beginning of a line of argument or course of action.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
If I say, fold it in half, then you need to go back to the sentence to redefine the word double. Truth is in the presuppositions. If you assume LORD is GOD, then you have assumed the wrong thing. Translators were counting on it.
Originally posted by AlphaBet
Assumptions are founded on how we define words and names. As Humpty told Alice:
Originally posted by AlphaBet
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'
Presupposition
noun
noun: presupposition; plural noun: presuppositions
a thing tacitly assumed beforehand at the beginning of a line of argument or course of action.
"both men shared certain ethical presuppositions about the universe"
originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: IndependentAgent
Prophecy - a prediction from special revelation of future events. I have not prophesied any future events, although I have speculated a great deal in the past about when I think certain biblical events would take place. As for teaching, I am here in a web forum speculating / debating on the Bible, expressing my own unique and individual theology as a believer in God's providence over creation. There is one Father and one Teacher. The Spirit of God teaches. As for the Holy Spirit and Blasphemy, I would never speak a bad word against the Ruach Elohim. God is Love and the Spirit of the true God is Holy. That Spirit does not seek to divide, although it is clear who did divide God's image. It is also clear who created the Snake he then calls his enemy. The Snake was trained to be cunning.
In all of this, you should start by defending the Devil and the reason Yahweh made the devil. Start with this foundational truth of theology (Genesis 3), then the entire building crumbles. While it falls down, the Father (Elohim) and Mother (Ruach Elohim) patiently wait for us to see why the building IS crumbling.
Man was divided by Yahweh, then deceived by the Satan he made. Adam was the unblemished Lamb before his blood was shed by Yahweh to divide God's original image (both male and female). What part of this story do you not understand or think is not Biblical? From here, this thread then takes a look at the possibility that Adam is the Redeemer that hung on the cross.
This might be the most amazing twist to the story. If Yahweh truly deserved to pay the blood cost, but Adam hung on the cross in Yahweh's place, then Adam Redeemed Yahweh. Who shed blood in the OT? Well, Man and Yahweh, but Yahweh is the original sin of division and deception by a Snake.
This story needs to be seen clearly.
Deal with these two verses first, then try to dismantle my argument.
Genesis 3:1
3 The snake was more clever than all the wild animals Yahweh Elohim had made.
Genesis 9
6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.
From here, you might find better answers to the verses you listed earlier. If you are looking for me to be the fulfillment of those verses, you are looking in the wrong place.
I'm trying to find the real snakes in this story.
In previous posts you said that the Spirit of Yahweh (or Elohim) is showing this 'new truth' to you.