**HOAX** Experiences with men in black **HOAX**

originally posted by: CallmeRaskolnikov
a reply to: duaneology

just finished the whole thread and i just wanted to thank you for sharing all of this with us here. i can only imagine how shaken up you must be and how hard it must have been to try and relate even a modicum of this story to other people, especially strangers here on ATS. i myself have been victimized in a way that when i tried to explain it to friends and family i was seen as being "crazy" so I know how you feel.

i was thinking that what you experienced was the military testing in the field their back engineered alien technology on people like yourself and making it look like the classic alien abduction to keep the attention away from the military industrial complex. like you said they try their best to discredit you and make you look like a nutter.
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Has it occurred to you that all of those "alien abductions" are really this sort of thing and not "alien" at all?

originally posted by: duaneology
a reply to: Realtruth

I had the shotgun because I figured it would make whoever I pointed at do what I told them to do. I was wrong.

Anyway I'm not going to argue about what I could of or should of done. I did the best I could at the time. I guess I could change or edit the story to make myself sound more brave or smarter but I'm just telling like it happened.

You don't have to justify yourself. Some people think they're living in an action adventure movie. Reality is far different and if they ever find themselves in a similar situation they might actually realize that.

a reply to: duaneology

The government rents a lot of vehicles from Hertz. I do know that much.

@Midnight13

Um.....no.

It's the OP's property,who may choose to share or not. Since we are on one of the largest conspiracy forums on the internet, basically you are asking him to give up his anonominity just to make you happy/believe his experiences.

REALLY???

How about you give us your address etc...first? Same difference.

At the onset of this thread the OP plainly said he WASN't going to provide concrete proofs, pretty much why this topic is in the Gray Area. Reading comprehension is an important skill my friend.

Which is why before demanding posters run the OP off completely I suggested employing some google-fu and get such proofs that are in the public domain. I for one have read about other experiences similar to the OP's so I have no problem accepting anecdotal evidence at this point.

Until proven to be a teller of tall tales the OP should be taken at his word. I'm sure the rest of us who post would like the same courtesy applied to ourselves.

What's interesting to me is the correlation of the drone used to incapacitate the OP. and the almost same circumstances as described in cattle mutilations. Without the removal of bovine parts of course. It's not very far fetched to listen to someone describing a technology that paralyzes someone temporarily knowing out Govt has been working on these projects for years. We assumed they were going to be tested on the battle field, but you know what happens when you assume?
LOL

a reply to: Tangerine

Actually yes I have given this considerable thought.

Okay I have a couple of questions for the OP regarding the specifics of this story.
1) I was wondering when this happened. No need for a specific date, but maybe a month and year.
2) Could you further elaborate the sequence of events after you ended up back at your car. You seem to indicate that you had blood drawn by a nurse. Was this at a hospital? What did the blood results show? What did the doctors say? You also state that you drove with a police officer back to the scene on that same night. Was this before or after getting your blood drawn? The hospital just released you and allowed you to leave after you told them this story? That sounds highly unlikely.

Also, being that I was highly suspect of this story from the very beginning, although certainly willing to keep an open mind, I dug up a few of the OP's past posts. And sure enough, after reading a few select posts, I am 100% convinced that his story is made up, albeit a very well made-up story. Here are the posts that got me.

1) "My question is how did it become this way? Why is it that regardless of a persons background, education, character, etc, they are written off as a joke if they take serious interest in this phenomenon. My best sense is that it's a result of an intentional campaign of disinformation, hoaxes and character assassination. I also believe that many of the players in the disinfo and hoaxes are completely unwitting pawns duped and used as the means to an end. Often with horrible consequences.

When I take someone like Jacque Vallee and attempt to read between the lines of his sometimes vague and cryptic statements what I come away with is that PTB has no idea what it's dealing with yet they use the phenomenon for their own purposes. A high percentage of what we are seeing maybe 90-95% are explainable, military testing, hoaxes, etc. but that small percentage of inexplicable events are just that, completely inexplicable. The military is most definitely testing various "things" on its own citizens and using the ufo/abductee phenomenon and as cover. They can basically do anything they want to any of us and if they mask it as an alien encounter there isn't a credible media outlet or any law enforcement agency that will take anything we say seriously.

Its obvious to me that the propaganda campaign to suppress any sincere discussion of this subject is very active on the internet. I was just somewhat surprised to see it so blatantly at work here on ATS...and so accepted. "

2) "Greetings.

I am new to ATS and was compelled to join as a result of stumbling across this thread. This may sound odd but after reading so many of these amazing posts I feel like I already know some of you. I've grown quite fond of the regular contributors and have been absolutely blown away by the profound nature of the discussions.

It's taken me quite some time to catch up, in fact I'm still only on page 90, but I just had to comment because I needed to ask if any of you have noticed anything...um..."peculiar" happening IRL during your participation in this thread? Since immersing myself in your research I've begun to experience strange things. I see oddities in my peripheral vision. I have unusually vivid and feverish dreams. I've been feeling a deep sense of being observed. I hear inexplicable sounds in my yard at night. I've also noticed some very odd things happening with my electronics, like my mobile phone dialing random numbers or my computers turning themselves off and on.

Maybe these kinds of things happen to you folks often but to me these are not the norm. My wife (a mathematician and Spock-esque logician) thinks that I have an overactive imagination and said that I've just given myself the "heebie jeebies by reading that crazy thread". I don't think this is the case. I sincerely believe that something unusual is manifesting itself around me and it's directly caused by my observance of this thread.

Forgive me if I sound like a crazy person. I just wanted to share this with you to see if you had any opinions on it."

3) "I'm sure the question has been asked before but I'm going to ask it again anyway. Is it at all possible the the entire thing was set up by the powers that be? They chose someone with some holes in his background (possibly even some exaggerated academic achievements) but bright enough to justifiably convince him that he has the necessary skills to accomplish what they need done. They put on the big performance of bringing him out to S4, parading him in front of some saucer mock ups (or possibly the real thing), feed him some plausible scientific gobbledygook and then make his life hell until he quits. Then you have this guy out there who you can easily discredit but has a credible enough story, told with the heartfelt sincerity of a honest man, and all that's left is to find a way to ensure he talks. A good way to do that might be to continue to make his life hell and convince him that his life is in danger and going public is the best way to ensure he doesn't end up swinging from a chandelier by his tie.

If you listen to the Coast to Coast interview Bob sounds genuinely perplexed as to why they chose him. I wonder if he has ever considered that he might have been used in this manner. To spread disinformation? To make people believe that the United States military has sophisticated captured ET technology? As a distraction from some other event? Who knows? There could have been any number of reasons. In fact, there could have been a number of Bob Lazars...other similar S4 new hires who went through the same scenario. Only we've not heard their stories for reason of another.

Maybe George can answer if Bob has ever talked about this possibility with him? "

I've never told anybody about this with the exception of those I will mention in the post. Now I'm thinking otherwise. I will share my story and you tell me what you think.

As I've mentioned in probably every thread I'm involved with, I used to work in a sheriffs dept as a dispatcher. The midnight shift in this old courthouse was the creepiest by far. 8pm to 8am, alone not only in the building but the entire section of town was empty at these times too. this took place around 4:30am, the one deputy on duty had just radioed in that he was at home and on-call.
Approx 5-10 minutes later I receive a call on the non-emergency line telling me (without identifying themselves, which I asked for and did not receive) to keep my eyes on the camera (how they knew there was a cam is anybodies guess) that looks out back at the Sally port (garage door where cops pull in) and be ready to receive a vehicle. Around 5 minutes later a big black suburban pulls up out back , a tall gentleman wearing sunglasses (at night, I thought he might be blind) jumps out and punches In our 6 digit code to open our door. He then walks in, opens the garage door and the suburban pulls in. At this point since they knew the code and looked official, I was content to watch through my cameras. THEN I saw them bring a big black bag on a stretcher out of the back of the suburban and kind of mess with it a little, tying it to the stretcher. As I'm watching, the guy who got out first is poking around the garage and looks up at the camera, speaks to the driver and they roll the stretcher out of view of the cam.

This was very strange, but got worse. I lose sight of them on my cams, until I hear a gentle rapping at the secure front door to the office. The tall gentleman in the glasses is there. I buzz him in, he walks up to my window and tells me to keep an eye on the garage cam and let's me know someone will be there soon to collect "the bag" (his words). I ask him if my boss, or the sheriff, know about this/were expecting it, whatever. This is something they would let ME know ahead of time. He gives a sly grin, tells me that everyone knows who should and all I need to do is watch that room and mind my own. The unspoken insinuation i felt was that if anything went wrong with that bag, it was my ass.

I nod, complacently, and he leaves. They mount up (with me watching) and leave, closing all the doors and stuff behind them. To be honest, I watchd the camera for the rest of my shift and didn't see any movement in or out of that garage. I got a few 911 calls and was a little busy, but i know The doors didn't open, nothing. When my relief got there, I told him all about it. I asked him if he knew about it and he was clueless. We watched the footage over again and he saw exactly what I did.

As I was leaving, I had to walk past that room. Of course I looked in, and to my utter astonishment there was NOTHING. No bag, no stretcher, nothing, I immediately went back to my relief and told him. He was just as shocked as I was. At this time the office is starting to wake up, and I got the chance to ask the sheriff himself about the incident and the bag. He looked at me like I was crazy. So back to the footage we go. He also had NO clue what was going on.iLess than a 4 months later I was given the choice to resign or be fired due to very strange reasons, (an "unprofessional quote from hunter s Thompson on my MySpace page, which I honestly don't remember posting). When I asked my friend who was also my relief that morning about the incident, he told me that there was a strange visit from an official shortly before I was let go, that the special copy of the tape from that night we made was taken and everyone involved was told to forget. Except me of course, I Was forced out.

If this account goes dark, you'll know what I say is true and not appreciated by "them". I can't say that I've felt like I was being followed or observed, but that doesn't mean I haven't been. Since this, I've tried my best to move on and not talk about it, and to my knowledge this is the first time anyone involved has spoken about it publicly. So, wish me luck. I'm looking out my window as I type, and will try to get ANYTHING weird documented.

a reply to: duaneology

I must hold my hand up and say I am one of the people who believe you.

For whatever reason this is happening to you I do not believe it to be fictional.

It is good you are surrounded by people who understand and trust you to protect them..


watch the void.

a reply to: duaneology

I'm glad you shared what you did OP. This is called
Psy-Ops and its designed to debunk you're credibility.

Its used all the time.

Rebel 5

a reply to: Char-Lee

throw it out , never , that could be the only surviving dna of MIB *non-glove wearing permitting* .. that's something that isn't all that usual tidy people by all accounts .. and besides if op has tapes , well don't be that guy ..



funbox

This is the False Flag Alien Agenda theory mixed into a personal story.

You continue to repeat that you have video evidence, while refusing to share it.

A story is a story, and I'll appreciate it as that. But it's very unfortunate that you would hoard undeniable proof at the risk of "looking crazy", considering how unbelievable your testimony already is.

I like the old False Flag Alien Agenda theory as much as the next guy, though.

a reply to: kayej1188

What is it about those posts that makes you disbelieve the OP?

a reply to: Ensinger23

Bizarre and very interesting. Thanks for posting.

a reply to: Tangerine

Are you serious? Okay, well I will explain although I assumed it was pretty self-explanatory.

Post 1) He talks about his general thoughts on alien/UFO sightings, abductions, experiences. He theorizes clearly that he believes many of the UFO/Alien stories we hear are actually in fact the military/gov't conducting experiments on people and masking it as aliens/UFO encounters. Now, is it not odd that this is the EXACT circumstances of the encounter that the OP said he experienced? And keep in mind the fact that all of these posts were before the OP reports to have had this encounter. Does it seem odd that an absolutely outlandish and absurd set of events happened to the OP, and it happened such that it verifies his exact specific theories?

Post 2) So in this post, the OP talks about how after he began deeply delving into the ATS threads, he started experiencing strange things, such as the sensation of being watched, hearing sounds, having his phone dial random numbers, having his electronics randomly turn on and off, seeing strange things in his peripheral vision. Does this not give the indication that the OP is a bit paranoid, and may indeed experience some delusions? He flat out states that he thinks he's being followed and observed solely because of his involvement in ATS threads. Now lets be real...how realistic is this? Does this sound reasonable? It suggests to me that he has elements of paranoia and delusions at times.

Post 3) This is another bizarre theory of his in which he, similarly to post 1, theorizes that the government and military target vulnerable individuals and stage events with the goal of having that person spread disinformation regarding the sophisticated extraterrestrial technology the gov't has or something strange like that. AGAIN, this sort of theory is strikingly similar to many aspects of what he claims happened to him. And again, he made this post before his alleged encounter.

It seems to me that this person is so obsessed with Aliens/UFOs (judging by his incredible number of posts on various UFO threads) and has so many unique theories regarding the military/gov'ts role in it all, that he made up a story that directly coincides with his specific viewpoints, to help validate his views. It's fairly obvious actually

originally posted by: Josephus
What your describing sounds like 'gaslighting' a form of group or gang stalking. They are usually subtle tactics utilized to decrease credibility and increase feelings of paranoia. The Manson family used to do it but they called it "creepy crawling" as a psyop tactic it was developed by the Stasi.

I think it goes further back than that... I read a folk tale when I was a tot about a peasant who finds some treasure and wants to prevent his wife from telling anyone about it, knowing she can't keep a secret. He plants all sorts of crazy things along the path before he led her to it, so that when she retells it, they all think she is nuts. Funny how I remember that little tale I read so long ago!

originally posted by: Tangerine

You don't have to justify yourself. Some people think they're living in an action adventure movie. Reality is far different and if they ever find themselves in a similar situation they might actually realize that.

No one is living in an action movie.

Personally I have held someone at gunpoint, more than a few times.

Once at an apartment I lived at, someone thought that no one was home, but found out that wasn't the case.

Other times were when I worked in law enforcement.

When someone enters someone else's home without permission, it's called "Breaking and Entering". In most parts of the world, it's against the law.

All this video footage and the OP doesn't post a small clip

I would ask the OP to post the video, or a clip of the utility worker coming into the house. The OP can even blur the faces, or addresses, but post something to back up the claim, but I highly doubt that any footage exists.

Since this is in the Gray area without proof to back the claim we'll have to take it as purely a story.

This is one of the most intriguing threads I've read, and there have been some doozies. I have no reason to question OP's credibility and to me he sounds highly sincere. Until I learn otherwise, I give the benefit of the doubt.

I have so many questions:

How much time passed from the time you pulled over to the time you came to?

Was there much traffic on the road? Are there any nearby businesses or homes from which others might have seen things?

Is there a military base nearby?

Ever hear of any similar circumstances in the area? Have you been back that way with no incident?

If I followed correctly, you were taping while the bright light was in front of you and I guess you dropped your phone on the seat or the floor when you opened the door and fell out? Was it still recording until it ran out of space or battery?

Any ideas on who moved your car and how? Did you wake up in the driver's seat?

The intimidation later is mind-boggling.

Aside from when you boxed the guy in, did you ever try following any of these guys to figure who they are and, more importantly, who is paying them?

If you have them on video or photo it seems someone should recognize them. Were they always male? Did they seem local? Are they physically intimidating, young, old, strange attire? Do you think they have any idea why they are doing whatever they do?

When the guy walked through your front door, was it unlocked? Have you rekeyed your locks? Ever try to get fingerprints, like putting baby powder on something they would touch?

Did the utility company car look legit, and did you catch any serial type of number or lic plate? If so, contact the util co?

Was the rental car record traced? How about the license plate of the other car? I feel like I want to send you money for that ticket you got; it's like adding insult to injury.

Have you had plain conversations with any of them related to the video or the experience?

My theory is that the gov has acquired or reverse engineered some powerful technology and they are beta testing it.

PS To Sherlock Kaye, you need to read the entire thread. Posts were made under OP's account that he didn't write.

a reply to: lindalinda

Oh yeah and you believe that? You actually believe in your heart that somebody besides him was posting on his behalf? Really? Pretty convenient that it fits right into his story that "strange things are happening." What convenient proof. How would this happen? Somebody hacked his password? Used his computer when he wasn't looking? He didn't care to look into this any further? Just brushed it off as your everyday oddity? I think not. Use your mind.