Finally saw the full effect of Illegal Immigration in Los Angeles. We're in trouble.

a reply to: FyreByrd

And Orange County is being overrun by Illegals too.

Because all the STUPID White contractors in the Construction business there thought it a good idea to hire all of them in the 90s.

THAT is what is going on in the OC

a reply to: FyreByrd

No biggie...

We do have a serious problem not knowing who these people are.

I really do have nothing but love for all races.

America could handle taking these people in.

But, what we have now is completely out of control and dangerous.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Pssssst.
Mexico is a country.
Not a race.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
Hey if you had health insurance you could have gone anywhere.

Sweetheart they were here first - don't forget it. You could use this as a learning experience. A taste of what minorities go through everyday.

Better learn to speak Spanish.

viva El Pueblo de la Reina de Los Angeles

So because minorities experience difficulties, this somehow makes illegal immigration alright? And when the Mexicans become the majority, you can bet they will still be speaking Spanish. Shouldn't they be speaking English then, since they are the majority? This is what I don't get. People throw around the word "minority," but if the whites were the minority then things would be different. It is people like you, those who claim to be wanting equality, etc., who actually promote inequality. And it is utterly ridiculous that everything would be in Spanish in the United States. Why is it that WE should learn Spanish? And no, the Mexicans were not here first, Mexican meaning from Mexico. And even if they were, why do people throw this around like it means anything? Where did Mexico come from? Spain. Via a revolution. Just because centuries ago one country was founded through conquering another does not give the vanquished nation the right to ANYTHING at all.

a reply to: JiggyPotamus

Someone that gets it!

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
America doesn't have an official language - speaking only Spanish is no indication of anything.

Sucks to make racist assumptions huh!

press 1 for English...

that' s where it started.. why didn't they do that with the Irish, Asians, etc...hmmm??

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I'm originally from L.A., we moved in the mid-ish 80's. I can only recall fond memories of the place, but have heard recently that it's become a crime hole. I've also seen some pictures that show news stations advertising L.A. as the new Mexico. Quite abhorrent if you ask me.

I suppose that Atzlan movement is making headway.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Yep, the system is broken. I've been living in LA since 2002 and have seen a big change for the worse … What happened to you at the hospital is not right. No buts about it!

There are schools in LA (LAUSD) where the majority of the class doesn't understand English, but the curriculum is taught in English. I'm counting the days when Spanish speaking parents will sue the school for that. Actually, …

edsource.org...

In the U.S. there are approximately five-thousand-seven-hundred-fifty-four ( 5754 ) anchor babies being born to illegal immigrants each week.

Report: $2 Billion Medicaid Program Mostly Helps Illegal Immigrants

$6 Billion a Year for Mexican “Anchor Babies?”

Some inaccuracies in the video. It grossly underestimates the annual costs for U.S. taxpayers, and the impact on hospitals. Medicaid alone paid $2.2 billion last year to partially reimburse hospitals for unpaid illegal alien delivery bills, double the news report’s estimate.

And the amount not reimbursed to hospitals is in the tens of billions. A staggering 84 hospitals in California alone, have been forced to close their doors because of unpaid bills by illegal aliens. Hospitals which manage to remain open, pass the unpaid costs onto the rest of us, which translates into more out-of-pocket expenses and higher insurance premiums for Americans.

source: toprightnews.com...

Homeland Chief Unable to Explain How Executive Amnesty Helps Americans

Jeh Johnson: "Congressman the fact is as I'm sure you know that we have lots of undocumented in this country working off the books, and if that's not apparent then I suggest you spend some time in a restaurant here in the Washington D.C. area and see it for yourself. What we want to do is to encourage those people to get on the books...."

Interesting how Jeh Johnson fails to mention the most obvious solution, and that is to simply enforce U.S. laws.

Jeh, why don't you shut up, get to work, begin enforcing our laws, and start citing some of those dishonest restaurant owners who are illegally hiring illegals "off the books" in the DC area?



"Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants"
source: www.legalmatch.com...

I can speak more then one language but I'm half so it came with my upbringing I grew up with it. Sure I sound like a moron in some but I know enough to get around and not step on any toes.

Living in the US I think we really should pick a set language, that way we no longer have to make more then one copy of legal documents and such. It would save us money, and make it easier for some people coming over that don't speak Spanish or anything near it. I say we just have derivative-english made the set language for the country. It's what most people speak here anyways. We don't speak kings english like they do in the UK, we have an adapted english that pulls from the 200+ other languages here, but uses a strong english base.

Language is a bridge and having a set language is just letting people know what bridge to take if they want to have an easier trip over, and not a way of keeping them out.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
America doesn't have an official language - speaking only Spanish is no indication of anything.

Sucks to make racist assumptions huh!

"america" doesnt, but most states do.

california being one of them.

originally posted by: Night Star
a reply to: Krazysh0t

We appear to be functioning just fine with Spanish quickly becoming a secondary language in this country, so why fight it?

Why fight it? People are now missing job opportunities because they are required to speak Spanish and they aren't good at learning a foreign language. Many people just can't pick up another language well enough to converse and get by. Why fight it? Because never before, until millions upon millions of illegals came here, has any American citizen been forced to speak a foreign language in their own Country just because of one group of people. ALL others came here, learned the language and it was never an issue. No one ever had to speak a foreign language in order to get a job to provide for their families. No American citizen should have to speak a foreign language to be treated at a hospital or order in a restaurant or whatever just because of one group of people.

Mr. Dylan has some insight for you.

a reply to: FyreByrd

The OP never indicated to me that he did not have insurance for one. His choice of hospitals was one of convenience. I am in the medical field and allergic reactions can be serious. Two if I go to a foreign country I have my ducks in a row in case of emergency. The whole point is that these minorities are HERE ILLEGALLY!! I do not care about their damn problems. If you want to be legal come through the front door and do it right. For all you back door illegals TOUGH poo.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: Krazysh0t
This is not fueled by the drug war at all. As I stated before, before the Mexican cartels set up, there were the Columbian cartels and those in Mexico, were simply mules and the middle men, with getting very little in the way of money to transport it across the country. It was not until after the fall of the Columbians, that the Mexican cartels started to gain prominence and more of a role in the local and area politics.

So all that violence the illegals were fleeing that Obama talked about during the beginning of the year wasn't drug related? News to me.

The Mexican federal government is more interested in maintaining control over the individual states. Money flows into the pockets of the politicians and they do not ask where it is coming from. So if they were having those who were selling illegal firearms or weapons, there is a good chance they would look the other way with the right bribe.

How much of that money is illegal drug money? I bet quite a lot.

The problem with the drug war, is not that it is not a good idea, but it was done in a bad way. Money was spent on trying to stop the people from using, but not on rehabilitating, combined with the fact that agencies of the US federal government were getting involved in such, and bringing such in.

No it's a terrible idea. Legislating morality is the LAST thing any government should be doing. Especially one that espouses freedom as its motto. Rehabilitation isn't a war on drugs. Rehabilitation is recovery from drugs and I'm all for government sanctioned programs to help drug addicts.

You stated: “Well with the WOD gone, all fo the money put towards it is freed up. We won’t need as much border sercurity, so that is more money that is freed up.

The issue is not that illegal immigrants are coming from the north, but from the south up through the Mexican border with the USA.

I don't know what this has to do with the quote you just quoted from me...

Really? Name one country in the past 20 years that the US has tried to fix, that did not end in diseaster? Iran, we tried to fix that country and now that country hates us. Russia, well that went over like a lead balloon. Iraq, is falling apart. Afganistan is having a lot of inner turmoil. Cuba, well last time I checked that did not go over so well. Korea, a country in perpetual conflict with no peace in sight. Vietman, well that went south, and we are now just having relations with such. China, I guess Mao is very supportive of that we did not go in, wait we did support Chang, and his government fled to Tiwan. Pannama, well that is one dictator that is still spending time in a prison. El Salvador, I am sure the victims of the Sandanista’s really appreciate the help we gave. And the list goes on. And what about the people of West Africa? After all I am sure the homosexuals are very grateful for the religious ideas that we gave them. And I am sure glad that we are so supportive of the corrupt government of Ethiopia, people that the US federal government supports. And what about Egypt, I am sure the victims of the dictators were so happy for the US aid.

Japan. By the way your example of Korea is bad, because South Korea is one of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world. Also stop bringing up South American countries. Our government never tried to rebuild any of those countries. Our government destabilized them to support greedy corporations and to prevent the local populace from making money on their own exports (see: Banana Republics). You are trying to compare apples and oranges again.

Really, then why did the US accept all of the children that came in without an adult? If they are showing up in mass numbers, send them home. Do not just let them sit and wait for a trial, there should be no trial what so ever, it is they show up, put them on a bus, or plane and deport automatically. Why should the USA be so lienent as it has been, when the very same countries have more of a tougher immigration stance?

Planes and buses have a limited amount of space and we only have a limited amount of them. Fuel costs money. Scheduling drop offs into the other country. These things all cost money and time. It's not like we have a magic door we can just funnel all the caught illegals through back into Mexico. Be realistic.

It used to be people showing up, would first be quarantined, then have to go to class to take history lessons, pass a test, speak English, and then would be welcomed in. But these people do not want to make this country their home, they are here to get what they can and then leave. Most legal immigrants come here to seek for a better life, the leave their old country behind and the allegiences to such. Big difference.

Ok let me clear something up for you. I'm NOT against deporting illegals. They broke the law, they should pay the consequences. You seem to have lumped me in with the Democrats who just want to nationalize them. I just want to stop the problem at its source. Seems like it would be a much easier solution than constantly dealing with this mess.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
Really, if all of the illegal immigrants were fleeing the violence, then why are they traveling thousands of miles away from home? If the violence was so bad, why are other Latin and South American countries not stepping up to offer them refuge, and setting up camps and shelters, along with upping their patrols of their borders to prevent such from spreading into their country? The facts are that the violence may be bad, but however, the USA can not simply just absorb and take on a mass influx of refugees into the country, due to violence in their home country. Why is the UN not getting involved to try to stem the tide and prevent a mass diseaster? Did not the promise of preventing another Rwanda have any meaning? After all when it came out that there was a genocide in that country, the promise was made that this would not happen ever again, and that the UN would move immediately to take steps to prevent such from occurring.

While there is violence due to drugs, but then again, is there not violence in the US, that is also do to drugs? Or could it be that we are seeing the inept nature of some of the dictatorships in these countries that are unable or unwilling to take care of a problem?

Yes, there is a large amount of money involved in illegal drugs. However, human trafficking is equally profitable, as is arms. Funny how the concern is about non military hardware is travelling south, yet nothing about how the cartels actually go ahold of military hardware and is using such. And ultimately, it goes back to the very people that this is effecting to either stop it all together, or to just live with it.

Yes, but welcome to the USA, where they try to legislate a person into having good habits and behavior. They have been doing such for the past few years, in an attempts to push and nudge the public into being healthy. Every thing that is perceived bad, there are laws against in the USA, until the courts decide what is and is not too far and crosses the Constitution. US history is loaded with such examples, the best known would and should be the 19 amendment.

It is a bad idea to cut border patrol, it should be the opposite, there should be more along the borders of the USA. Did you know that there are some parts of the United States, along the Mexico border, it is ill advised to go walking? Or how about the Rape tree that is just south of San Diego? You know it is in a park, just 5 miles from the Mexican Border, where there are panties of the victims of human traffickers, who were brutally raped and abused all along the way up, and then sold or killed or just simply disappeared into the culture of forced into being a prostitute. And in that area, if one is not Hispanic, it is not uncommon for a person to be shot, and more areas are getting to be like that. Private citizens threatened, property vandalized, and homes robbed, that is what is the ear marks of the illegal immigrants who come up from Mexico and those who would transport them.

And what is more interesting, is that the Mexican Federal government, actually gives and tells those wanting to so such how to, making them complacent in this issue.

I am being realistic. Yes planes and buses have a limited space and fuel costs money, gee lets think about this, money to send illegal immigrants home, and the cost to say fight a war in a country that never seems to end. I think that the public would agree with the cost of deporting people more so than watching a futile war happen.

Yes South Korea is doing oh so well, but you know funny how North Korea is no doing so well. I hear the conditions are deplorable, mass hunger, sickness and a dictatorship that is ultimately crushing its people. Yet it was the USA that was involved in the Korean conflict, there was no peace accord, and the USA is still involved in what happens in Korea. If the policies of the USA were so good, then there would not be that much tension in Korea, and the North would not be marching off to try to develop long range missiles to launch and carry nuclear wars.

Japan, was rebuilt, but it was not just by the USA, I believe England had a bit of a hand in it, along with other countries, though it was the USA that provided the manpower and support. And funny thing is that from what I hear, according to the news and several Japanese friends, the USA is not so popular any more. Further to make things interesting, speaking of Japan, did you know that in Japan, one has to be at least ½ Japanese to live there on a permanent basis? If you are not that much, it is against the law to immigrate there. Their immigration laws are far tougher than the USA.


I did not put you in any political camp. I am merely pointing out that there has to be a change in the immigration system. It needs to deal with 3 issues, and if congress would get its act together it could do it, but it would be politically inconvienent for those elected. One would be to enforce the laws of the country, that means if there is a sanctuary city or state, well they lose all federal funding. 2) The border needs tighter security, to where a person crosses they are picked up, and then sent home immediately. 3) By giving the speech about deporting millions of people, it serves 2 purposes, the first is that it would give the congress and the federal government time to act, to come up with a plan on what to do with the millions already here and to come up with a new immigration system. That would also encourage those here in the country to leave on their own. 4) Once the new system is in place, then ultimately and slowly open the boarders up to where people can come in.

Don't get me wrong, immigration to a degree is a good thing, as it brings in new ideas and innovations, but when it is through the back door, then it causes more problems than it should.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe

originally posted by: FyreByrd

Better learn to speak Spanish.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Why should they not learn to speak english? I know that isn't PC for me to say, but it is what it is.

I don't go to Germany and expect everyone there to speak to me in english. I can almost guarantee that you don't get the "Press 1 for English" when using the phone anywhere else in the world that doesn't use english as their main language.

The concession in language should be made by those arriving in the foreign land... Not the other way around IMO.

Nobody is going to budge on this. They never have and they never will. It's why you have "China Town", and "Little Havana" etc. Most people will not assimilate so the divide continues.

As for the OP, I see no reason why he needs to learn to speak Spanish if he doesn't intend on leaving the country. It's helpful, but shouldn't be a requirement to make sure you receive the best medical care in the United States.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

I'm in Canada and we have the same here because French is on equal footing with English.

The crazy thing is that there's far more English speaking Canadians than French so you would think that the opening message would be "Press 1 for French" so that the majority would just wait till the English started instead of the majority having to press 1 to hear English.....

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
While there is violence due to drugs, but then again, is there not violence in the US, that is also do to drugs? Or could it be that we are seeing the inept nature of some of the dictatorships in these countries that are unable or unwilling to take care of a problem?

Yes, there is a large amount of money involved in illegal drugs. However, human trafficking is equally profitable, as is arms. Funny how the concern is about non military hardware is travelling south, yet nothing about how the cartels actually go ahold of military hardware and is using such. And ultimately, it goes back to the very people that this is effecting to either stop it all together, or to just live with it.

Human trafficking is profitable because there is a demand for it. If you remove the demand (by making the home country worth living in), it won't be so profitable. Supply and demand buddy.

It is a bad idea to cut border patrol, it should be the opposite, there should be more along the borders of the USA. Did you know that there are some parts of the United States, along the Mexico border, it is ill advised to go walking? Or how about the Rape tree that is just south of San Diego? You know it is in a park, just 5 miles from the Mexican Border, where there are panties of the victims of human traffickers, who were brutally raped and abused all along the way up, and then sold or killed or just simply disappeared into the culture of forced into being a prostitute. And in that area, if one is not Hispanic, it is not uncommon for a person to be shot, and more areas are getting to be like that. Private citizens threatened, property vandalized, and homes robbed, that is what is the ear marks of the illegal immigrants who come up from Mexico and those who would transport them.

Well if we can reduce the amount of people who want to hop the border, we don't need to spend as much money securing the border. Isn't that obvious to you? Why do you want to keep doing things that aren't working?

I am being realistic. Yes planes and buses have a limited space and fuel costs money, gee lets think about this, money to send illegal immigrants home, and the cost to say fight a war in a country that never seems to end. I think that the public would agree with the cost of deporting people more so than watching a futile war happen.

Why does it have to be either or? Can't it be neither?

Yes South Korea is doing oh so well, but you know funny how North Korea is no doing so well. I hear the conditions are deplorable, mass hunger, sickness and a dictatorship that is ultimately crushing its people. Yet it was the USA that was involved in the Korean conflict, there was no peace accord, and the USA is still involved in what happens in Korea. If the policies of the USA were so good, then there would not be that much tension in Korea, and the North would not be marching off to try to develop long range missiles to launch and carry nuclear wars.

Our involvement with North Korea ended when the Korean War ended. We never attempted to rebuild North Korea, because they won't let us. So your point about North Korea is irrelevant. The section of Korea that we DID attempt to rebuild IS relevant, and they are doing great.

Japan, was rebuilt, but it was not just by the USA, I believe England had a bit of a hand in it, along with other countries, though it was the USA that provided the manpower and support. And funny thing is that from what I hear, according to the news and several Japanese friends, the USA is not so popular any more. Further to make things interesting, speaking of Japan, did you know that in Japan, one has to be at least ½ Japanese to live there on a permanent basis? If you are not that much, it is against the law to immigrate there. Their immigration laws are far tougher than the USA.

So I acquiesce to your demand to produce a country that we successfully rebuilt and suddenly there are all these caveats? The point is that we successfully rebuilt Japan; with or without help is irrelevant. By the way, your point about Japan's immigration policies is complete horses#. Immigration to Japan

Naturalization

Foreigners, who have resided in Japan for at least five consecutive years (less if married to a Japanese national), have shown good conduct, have never plotted against the Japanese government, have sufficient assets or ability to make an independent living and are willing to renounce any other citizenship held, can be granted Japanese citizenship.

I see nothing in there about having to be 1/2 Japanese. I also don't care what a few of your friends say about Japan's attitude towards the US. Japan is one of our closest allies and remains so. People there may be a bit frustrated with us, but they are still our allies and friends. In any case, their opinion of us is also irrelevant. The fact remains that we successfully rebuilt that country. You are grasping at straws to try to hand wave away my valid point.

I did not put you in any political camp. I am merely pointing out that there has to be a change in the immigration system. It needs to deal with 3 issues, and if congress would get its act together it could do it, but it would be politically inconvienent for those elected. One would be to enforce the laws of the country, that means if there is a sanctuary city or state, well they lose all federal funding. 2) The border needs tighter security, to where a person crosses they are picked up, and then sent home immediately. 3) By giving the speech about deporting millions of people, it serves 2 purposes, the first is that it would give the congress and the federal government time to act, to come up with a plan on what to do with the millions already here and to come up with a new immigration system. That would also encourage those here in the country to leave on their own. 4) Once the new system is in place, then ultimately and slowly open the boarders up to where people can come in.

That does nothing to fix the problem. People wanting to cross the border. Even if your plan were to be implemented exactly how you wanted, eventually cracks in that system will appear. Then over time we will be right back where we started. Your system requires CONSTANT vigilance. That is exhausting and a huge money sink, when we could just attempt to fix the problem once and for all. I'm really confused as to why you are so opposed to wanting to make Mexico a place worth living so that people don't want to hop the border in favor of using methods that don't work.

Don't get me wrong, immigration to a degree is a good thing, as it brings in new ideas and innovations, but when it is through the back door, then it causes more problems than it should.

Again. It's not like I don't want illegals deported, but your thinking is hugely flawed. This can be seen because we've been doing it for decades and the problem has only gotten worse, not better. You keep arguing within the confines of the current political paradigm. I'm arguing to change the paradigm from the ground up. So what is true currently, won't be necessarily true if we change things.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Hahaha, you don't even try to hide your agenda.

The jealousy and resentment is strong in you.

You're defending a people who they themselves committed the same 'crimes' that you accuse the American's of committing. When in fact, you're just pissed off that these white American's figured out in a couple hundred years what your people couldn't, or else they wouldn't be flocking to America.

I'd be perfectly fine with controlled immigration, but you're not supporting the enriching of America, you're supporting flooding and drowning America which will inevitably turn this country into a mirror of the garbage you find in Mexico.

Stop being so pissed off, and know that the only reason any immigrants are allowed into America, is because we let them.

This is an interesting thread.

It seems to me that the majority of the complaints I've seen are the mere inconveniences they have to go through because of the Mexican population, and then to justify that complaint they bring up the illegal immigration aspect.

Considering that this nation is unlike any other in that it was designed to welcome people of all colors, religions and languages, I find it hilarious when people complain about having to "push 1 for English", or have to read a sign that has two or more languages.

Actually, I think that sort of complaint is unAmerican.

This country was built by the immigrant, legal or not, and will continue to be a nation of immigrants. Our economy relies on them and they contribute greatly.

So it seems to me that people are just whining because they are inconvenienced and do not like the fact that some people may speak a different language.