Did NASA just admit they never put Man on The Moon? [Video]

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Great now are you able to understand how dust is light enough to be affected by the atmosphere of earth?? Ie drag..

And are you also able to understand what high pressure areas will want to do in a low pressure environment??

It is pretty simple; this NASA video:




proved without a doubt that the Lunar Module rocket engine was powerful enough to move significant amounts of moon sand & dust in a vacuum environment, and so the natural question arises: "Why is there no blast crater under the Lunar Module?"

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
"Why is there no blast crater under the Lunar Module?"

There is, as you have been shown. So why do you claim there is not?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
"Why is there no blast crater under the Lunar Module?"

There is, as you have been shown. So why do you claim there is not?

There is picture evidence from under the Lunar Module that shows no blast crater under the Lunar Orbiter, here is one example:

Download Hi-Res original of the Apollo 11 image here

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
There is picture evidence from under the Lunar Module that shows no blast crater under the Lunar Orbiter, here is one example:

Funny, you are shown links to picture evidence of a blast crater, so why do you ignore NASA Photo AS11-40-5921

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
There is picture evidence from under the Lunar Module that shows no blast crater under the Lunar Orbiter, here is one example:

Funny, you are shown links to picture evidence of a blast crater, so why do you ignore NASA Photo AS11-40-5921

There is no blast crater in NASA photo number AS11-40-5921, here it is:

Download high-res AS11-40-5921

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
There is no blast crater in NASA photo number AS11-40-5921, here it is:

Download high-res AS11-40-5921

Funny how those believe the moon hoax conspiracy nonsense refuse to accept facts, like the blast crater pictured above.

‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.

We know man landed on the moon, but some choose to ignore that fact.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
There is no blast crater in NASA photo number AS11-40-5921, here it is:

Download high-res AS11-40-5921

Funny how those believe the moon hoax conspiracy nonsense refuse to accept facts, like the blast crater pictured above.

"There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See"!

What blast crater? Are you joking or serious?

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
What blast crater? Are you joking or serious?

Serious, the one under the nozzle - you can clearly see it is discoloured by the rocket engine!

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
What blast crater? Are you joking or serious?

Serious, the one under the nozzle - you can clearly see it is discoloured by the rocket engine!

We are dealing with at least 1,050 lbs of thrust from the Lunar Module decent engine rocket, NASA's own papers say that the decent engine's minimum throttle as 1,050 lbs. Here is a demonstration of a 1,000 lbs thrust engine and at 0:30 you see the effect on trees as much as 30 feet away from the engine.



The Lunar Module decente engine he nuzzle is just 1-2 feet above the moon dust, and would of course blast the light moon dust away with ease.

Moon hoax debunkers at this point usually say that the rocket engine does not have enough effect to whirl up moon dust in a vacuume like on the moon; however, this video proves without a doubt that the Lunar Module rocket engine whirls up moon dust:



To conclude, there should have been a clearly visible crater under the Lunar Module.

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
To conclude, there should have been a clearly visible crater under the Lunar Module.

There is, but you refuse to see it!

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Great now are you able to understand how dust is light enough to be affected by the atmosphere of earth?? Ie drag..

And are you also able to understand what high pressure areas will want to do in a low pressure environment??

It is pretty simple; this NASA video:

proved without a doubt that the Lunar Module rocket engine was powerful enough to move significant amounts of moon sand & dust in a vacuum environment, and so the natural question arises: "Why is there no blast crater under the Lunar Module?"

-MM

you are expecting a huge gaping hole beneath the LM that is your problem.. are you not aware of the hard compact lunar surface under the dust layer??

how are you going to notice a crater one or two inches deep that is about 3-4 metres in diameter??

p.s. you picked the Ascent stage.. given that it weighs about 784kg on the lunar surface, whats the miminum force required to lift the LM ascent stage?? greater than 1000lbs or less than 1000lbs?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
To conclude, there should have been a clearly visible crater under the Lunar Module.

There is, but you refuse to see it!

No, my friend. It is you who refuses to submit to the proof that has been presented to you. But please don't be offended as us humans seem to be hard-wired for groupthinking rather than critical thinking.

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

Moon hoax debunkers at this point usually say that the rocket engine does not have enough effect to whirl up moon dust in a vacuume like on the moon; however, this video proves without a doubt that the Lunar Module rocket engine whirls up moon dust:

no you are misunderstanding.. by mentioning the vacuum of space is saying that the dust is NOT going to billow or linger around like it would on earth.. its going to move dust but its not going to make a HUGE dust cloud like what you are expecting.

originally posted by: choos

you are expecting a huge gaping hole beneath the LM that is your problem.. are you not aware of the hard compact lunar surface under the dust layer??

This is not correct, the regolith (Moon sand) was 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep in the Mare area[1] where the Apollo 11 Lunar Module landed. Are you trying to say that we are looking at a 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep blast crater in these pictures?

[1] Heiken et al. (1991) Lunar Sourcebook, a user's guide to the Moon. New York: Cambridge University Press. 736p. ISBN 0-521-33444-6

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: choos

you are expecting a huge gaping hole beneath the LM that is your problem.. are you not aware of the hard compact lunar surface under the dust layer??

This is pure nonsense, the regolith (Moon sand) was 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep in the Mare area[1] where the Apollo 11 Lunar Module landed. Are you trying to say that we are looking at a 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep blast crater in these pictures?

[1] Heiken et al. (1991) Lunar Sourcebook, a user's guide to the Moon. New York: Cambridge University Press. 736p. ISBN 0-521-33444-6

-MM

so you believe the "mare area" means lunar dust??

p.s. lunokhod 1 landed in Mare Imbrium.. did it sink into 3-4 metres of lunar dust??

p.p.s. and no im not saying you are looking at a 3-4 metre deep blast crater.. im saying that YOU are EXPECTING to see a crater 3-4 metres deep when that should not be the case at all..

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: choos

you are expecting a huge gaping hole beneath the LM that is your problem.. are you not aware of the hard compact lunar surface under the dust layer??

This is pure nonsense, the regolith (Moon sand) was 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep in the Mare area[1] where the Apollo 11 Lunar Module landed. Are you trying to say that we are looking at a 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep blast crater in these pictures?

[1] Heiken et al. (1991) Lunar Sourcebook, a user's guide to the Moon. New York: Cambridge University Press. 736p. ISBN 0-521-33444-6

-MM

so you believe the "mare area" means lunar dust??

p.s. lunokhod 1 landed in Mare Imbrium.. did it sink into 3-4 metres of lunar dust??

No, Mare was area on the moon where the Apollo 11 Lunar Module (the "Eagle") landed.

originally posted by: choos
p.s. lunokhod 1 landed in Mare Imbrium.. did it sink into 3-4 metres of lunar dust??

Who said anything about "sinking into the dust?" We are not talking about quicksand here but regolith. It was a response to your claim that that the hard compact lunar surface under the dust layer was below 2 inches of moon dust, which is false since published studies from the moon mission documents the moon dust being 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep at the landing spot.

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

Who said anything about "sinking into the dust?" We are not talking about quicksand here but regolith. It was a response to your claim that that the hard compact lunar surface under the dust layer was below 2 inches of moon dust, which is false since published studies from the moon mission documents the moon dust being 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep at the landing spot.

-MM

ok.. let me put it this way..

Apollo 11 landed in Mare Tranquillitatis
Lunokhod 1 landed in Mare Imbrium

"mare areas" are 3-4 metres deep, and you expect it to be 3-4 metres of loose dust..

where was the huge blast crater for Lunokhod 1 mission??

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

Who said anything about "sinking into the dust?" We are not talking about quicksand here but regolith. It was a response to your claim that that the hard compact lunar surface under the dust layer was below 2 inches of moon dust, which is false since published studies from the moon mission documents the moon dust being 10-13 feet (3-4 meters) deep at the landing spot.

-MM

ok.. let me put it this way..

Apollo 11 landed in Mare Tranquillitatis
Lunokhod 1 landed in Mare Imbrium

"mare areas" are 3-4 metres deep, and you expect it to be 3-4 metres of loose dust..

where was the huge blast crater for Lunokhod 1 mission??

According to the Apollo 11 mission logs the astronauts only stayed in Mare Tranquillitatis, so therefore I though saying "Mare area" was sufficient for any audience that read it. The quoted studies were from Mare Tranquillitatis.

-MM

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

you are ignoring my question...

im asking you where was the huge blast crater from Lunokhod 1???

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

you are ignoring my question...

im asking you where was the huge blast crater from Lunokhod 1???

This thread is about Apollo missions the last time I checked, if you want to disprove my stated claims you should keep to these missions and not try to bring in other data. The problem with the Soviet moon missions is the lack of data we still have on them, and perhaps even they were faked too by the KGB for all we know - this was in the middle of the Cold War you know.

-MM