Free Energy Is Here!!!

so what ever happen to Dr Steven Greer, and his magical free energy box?

last i heard he was gonna fill all the deserts with water, abolish pollution, save all the starving people, and end all war. was it all a hoax? has the man been killed? has the entire project been covered up? whats the deal guys?

Who are you talking about? got a link?

Got google?

Here ya go:

www.disclosureproject.org...

www.google.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

ok sry i didnt see this

im sure im not the only who can find the web a little over whelming at times

Are you talking about "zero point energy" by any chance?

If so, what is your understanding of the concept, Sturod84?

I know a little, but chances are you and the others here know a great deal more than I do.

Thanks in advance.

Ron

This is what I've been able to gather through a couple of years of my own perusals around the net.

Scientists current theories under Einstein, and Newton are only approximations, any theory containing numbers is always only that, and approximation of reality.

Zero point comes from the idea that Einstein touched upon, but didn't fully incorporate into his theories. Einstein’s theories all revolve around the idea that there is in fact a pure vacuum in space, however this is not the case. Scientists have finally realized that there is an infinite source of energy that bubbles up through these super small dimensions. This energy is what keeps subatomic particles charged with vibrating energy. Some call this energy the quantum sea fluctuations, and humans have already discovered how to isolate these energies, and in a way stop them. Through the blocking of this energy, matter looses all inertial mass connections, becoming massless. Once this is accomplished, all that energy is still there for use. And once you negate all mass inertial frames, it only takes a very small amount of energy, theoretically, to propel these systems to beyond light speed.

If you can recall that Einstein disproved speed of light travel by showing that as matter accelerates to close to the speed of light, mass increases,, as you get ever closer to this limit, the massive body quickly becomes infinitely massive, therefore it would take an infinite amount of energy to propel it beyond this limit.

With these new understandings, we negate mass altogether, and use this boiling energy for propulsion. There are many scientists who are beginning to understand that faster than light travel breaks no laws of physics, and time travel is and will be a reality in the not to distant future. We will be able to travel to any point in the universe in zero time, relative to the craft.

The paradigm of physics is quickly changing, and no technology is off limits to human understanding.

Shixta

Thank you very much, Shixta.

I was right, you know more than I ever did concerning this concept.

It appears that little news is coming out in the last six months about zero- point energy, but I also wonder if this emanation of energy, which is apparently everywhere, is now what theoretical physicists are saying may be THE connection between the material universe and its originator-- the vibrating smoking gun??

Any speculation or clarifications of what science is thinking along these lines?

Thank you very much.

Ron

I'm not sure I can address your previous question, however I think you may get something out of what I believe to be going on.

These technologies have been in the making for quite a while now, and I think Tesla really got things started off. Not in any way disregarding countless others who were essential to the process, but Tesla gets and inflated fan base.

Super High Frequency generators, when mixed together with other waves, i.e. radio, microwave, and I’m not full sure. But nonetheless, when you produce an interference pattern with these two or three energies and stress the space, strange things can happen. For more on this, Search for John Hutchinson. He’s a Canadian whose home was raided, and equipment confiscated. He acquired most of his electronic equipment by scavenging old navel ships, and out of date gov’t property. He’s not really a traditional scientist in the way that he doesn’t take notes, has no documentation, and has great difficulty in repeating the results to modern scientists liking.

Regardless of this, he is accomplishing something extraordinary, and needs about 150 million dollars from private sources to get a real research laboratory. He has video of many of the phenomena and even clams to have reproduced the effects of the holy grail. He believes the holy grail was ancient highly advanced technology. He has come up with a voltage device that he researched how to produce by studying ancient Egypt. He claims that the l.e.d. light hooked up will never go out. It is some mixture with silicates in it, and some unknown ingredient. He crushes everything up, puts it in a small tube cylinder add some liquid, and then adds two metal wires. It looked concrete like, and rather thick. He bakes it in the oven, and before it cools, runs a high voltage through the two wires. After it’s cooled there is a permanent voltage supply of a small, but substantial amount. You can find this video if you look hard. This is just one example. He has hundreds of phenomena that develop, like levitation, metal bars twisting on their own, and with no heat, I think. He has video of some strange light phenomena, and metal bars breaking in two. On and on and on. There’s a big but, and that is in that he doesn’t exactly know what he is doing. He’s a genius, don’t get me wrong, but in a different way than we’ve seen in most mainstream scientists.

People in the past were in fact more in tune with nature, and were able to harness nature to a point we are not yet capable. Our current world has branched into a different set of technologies, and magnificent as they are, don’t touch upon the spiritual side of things. We are now turning the corner in all this, and all technology is allowing the human race to become perched in time, connect with whatever mysterious natural wonders there are, and begin yet another advancement along our culture of enlightenment, renaissance, revolution, and information consumption. As we understand more, all the while processing double the information every 15 months or so, time as we understood it before will dissolve. And if we can hold off on killing each other, or our planet for the next ten to twenty years, and to be honest I am doubting this fact more and more every day, we will reach a so called break out point, and nothing in this world, solar system, or universe will ever be the same.

The problem with scientific discovery here in the west is that it has completely stopped for the most part. We are still operating under the same level of understanding for a while now, and with things so rapidly moving forward in other areas, we may already be in an evolved state, and not even know it.

Many of the people I respect as scientists are being held off the radar screen for reasons that are dark and sinister. My belief is that whoever is running things, and nobody really knows, I don’t care what people argue about, we just don’t know who is pulling all the strings these days, are and have been keeping these magical technologies out of reach.

These free energy devises, for me fall into two categories. And please remember I am not an authority on the subject, I just love this stuff.

One;
The oil conglomerates do anything and everything to convince us that these things don’t exist. They will push this to the end, or at least until the oil really is gone. Free energy for these people is the devil, and a deal breaker on the hundreds of billions of dollars these companies would lose if every home in the country was Grid Independent.
So under this category, I think these energies are being suppressed to the public, but utilized by the elite.

Two:
Back to Hutchinson for a moment. He is having difficulty getting the kind of funding he should be able to get. He’s just not getting it despite the claims and potential of this technology, therefore some strange people are doing what they can to prevent the release of this knowledge. It’s perhaps just too powerful to allow out in the public domain. Anyway, here’s the real reason he can’t get any funding, in MY OPINION.

My hypothesis is that the gov’t already understands the forces at work with Hutchinson’s discoveries. Already having attained a level of understanding way beyond this one man, why would they turn around and give funding for research when they laugh at Hutchinson’s lack of mastery with regard to these discoveries. I hope that came across okay.

Just keep in mind that the next couple of years will reflect the same amount of progress that took place in the last 5 which reflected the previous 12 previous 28 previous 75. This century has been something like we have never seen on Earth before, so be glad that you are one of the lucky ones to see this all taking shape. But then again we may be the unlucky ones that destroyed ourselves just prior to escaping the pitfalls of the old paradigm. That’s what I’m trying to help others avoid. These technologies that are being suppressed are a part of us and human understanding. In order to tackle the problems of the future, we must embrace many of these hidden ideas of today, and perfect them. But whoever is behind the scenes is holding us back is also responsible for our demise. They are withholding the solutions, and it’s time for this to stop.

We have to speak out against those that are holding us back, but I fear that our own rulers have already suppressed so many things crucial to our future success, and with the speed things are changing, we may not be able to put on the breaks when all S..T hit’s the fan. I know we have the potential to avoid this disaster, but too many people don’t think they can make a difference in the world, and the truth of the matter is that, now, like never before, individuals can wield power and force to movements of all kinds.


So my movement continues.

Shixta
www.catalystera.com

I'm glad I asked, Shixta -

I enjoyed your report and speculaltions.

I spent some years with the scientist, Dr. Ilok. He died in November of 2000 and left behind a patent on the synthetic fuels process through grinding coal to 4 microns.

It is my understanding that the oil companies, or one in particular, offered him a sweetheart deal and he turned them down being afraid they wanted to hide it after they owned it. I do not know the truth of this-- one of his favorite complaints-- , but I do know the plans exist to produce a real and inexpensive synthetic fuel.

Anyway, this is the identical technology Germany used during WWII to produce syntheic diesel oil from coal. He brought to America after the war with the intention of developing it. It never got anywhere.

Here's a technology summary I found in my files which is a sheet prepared by some college and engineers published about what he had:

1. In the Ilok process, coal is ground to an ultra fine powder, initially 4 microns (0.004mm) in diameter. Further processing is capable of producing sub-micron coal particles as small as 0.001 mm /300. Pilot plants, with grinding rates established at one ton of coal per hour, will produce 4-micron coal particles with 97% efficiency ata cost of less than 30 Kwh of energy. “Full scale” Ilok reduction mills are designed to process ten tons of coal per hour.

2. The Ilok reduction process does not require any of the water typically associated with all other Synfuel activities. Hence, no environmentally degrading effluent emanates from the process.

3. As a by-product of the grinding process, pollutants such as ash, pyrite, and organic sulfur, are separated from the processed coal. Accordingly, the resultant 4-micron coal particles are environmentally clean. Further, the particle burn completely without producing carbon monoxide.

4. The removed ash, sulfur, and pyrite are commercially viable and readily salable by-products.

5. 4-micron coal particles can be burned in diesel engines without producing undesirable residue, and will generate 4,100 Kwh of electricity per ton of micron coal.

6. 4-micron coal can also fuel furnaces and boil water without producing residue. While standard bituminous coal generates 2,300 Kwh of electricity per ton of coal, it also produces air polluting SO2 and undesirable air particles. In contrast, burning one tone of 4-micron coal in a boiler will generate 3,300 Kwh of electricity without either residue or air pollutants. Additionally, when burned in boilers, 4-micron coal produces 43% less CO2 , and when it is burned in internal combustion engines, it reduces CO2 by 70%.

7. Because 4-micron coal is a genuine substitute for crude oil, its paralyzation yields gaseous and liquid by-products which, when combined with hydrogen, yields a form of crude oil which can be fractionated in existing refineries.

8. 4-micron coal can be activated to form a superior activated carbon for removal of toxic teratogenic and carcinogenic chemicals from public drinking water supplies.

9. Because 4-micron coal is a substitute for crude oil, it is miscible with ordinary natural crude oils, and may be added to crude oil on a one-to-one basis.

I leave it to you to imagine what this might do for America today. Have you ever seen anything like it before?

Ron

a father of a friend of mine is the head of a research objective that studies coal and it's gasoline potential,,and he says we can live on coals energy for maybe 3 to 400 yerars.

But big oil won't let this information out.

Shixta

Hello Shixta & Others Interested in Zero-Point Energy

I found this on my computer files and thought you might like to read it as a totally different perspective on zero-point energy. I have access to transcriptions to classes held between students and celestial teachers - i.e. teachers who observe our earth and our technology from the great beyond - however you wish to characterize it. It is constructive criticism and some insight into where we are, collectively, with the idea.

Here is the tape transcribed FYI:

Zero-Point Energy

Zero-Point Energy
A Celestial Being’s View Of Our Development of Zero-Point Energy

STUDENT asking a question:

This is kind of a lead into my question, which I think I can now phrase in a second. Dr. Tom Bearden, a theorist par excellence, in his second paper on the original Spirit of Maat web site, which took place in March 2002, he follows on from his first discussions on electromagnetic theory and delves into the relationship of consciousness to the time/material domain. So my question revolves around that—it’s fairly theoretical and beyond my own talents, but it speaks of the relationship of our minds to the control of matter and energy, and I wanted to recommend to others who are interested in that feature to find that paper. And the question then is, do you have any advice on that which would be useable to those of us attempting to gain more knowledge of it, and can you relate it to Dr. Steven Greer’s comments that UFO civilizations have long advanced to a point where they use a combination of consciousness and material science to accomplish their feats?

Celestial Teacher: Yes, certainly. As you look upon these technologies involving consciousness and these alternative energy sources, you are looking at technologies that are many decades removed from your current technological development, as you know it. We do not comment upon those technologies that are known in the enclaves of your government. We only speak to those technologies that you are aware of, in the state of your awareness today, as they are decades, if not a century away. Your original questions deal with making working models, prototypes of primitive zero-point energy machines, and these are not even widely publicly known. So if you drew a comparison between your bio-technologies, bio-medical technologies, that began with penicillin in the 1940’s to the state of genome theory rehabilitation of this current era, you would find that the technologies are so remote as to appear dissimilar, so vastly developed have they become. And so you are in parallel fashion, looking at the beginning of zero-point engines today as researchers were looking at penicillin over 60 years ago, and that penicillin just happened to be discovered by a researcher who was in the process of throwing out the Petri dishes it contained.

The discoveries of zero-point energy likewise are hidden in the mathematics of your theoreticians, those individuals who have gone to the drawing board, to the chalkboard, and devised these mathematical proofs for their existence. Converting those into practical applications has begun, as you know, yet it is not widespread, does not have widespread awareness in the general public in your nation, and is not a widespread topic even among those individuals who’s areas overlap these. So to look into the future where consciousness integrates the operation and function of machines, is very remote—tantalizing, engaging, fanciful, and possible— but not practical at this time. Let the development of these machines progress along a continuum that hopefully will be even, aggressive, and constructive. Long after you are gone, my friend, and those here that are gone, will come machines that are sensitive to the consciousness of their operators. For now, it is science fiction.

We simply bring these points of zero-point energy to your awareness, based upon your original questions a few weeks ago, to point you in a productive direction. And when I say “you,” I mean the “collective you” of all individuals who are interested in this engaging area, this engaging field of energy. We will encourage you to continue this work. We will not assist you through this means today [TR process] in the technological development of those machines, yet, be aware that we will be with individuals, as they work upon their theories, on the practical application of those theories on the machines, those bench tops where they work, to choose one metal over another, to choose one field over another, to explore, and this too will be surmounted more quickly to co-creative participation, than not.

Yes, there are individuals of the Corps of Destiny on your planet, who are engaged in these fields; most are completely unaware that they are participants; most are unaware on a conscious level of their being assisted. We would encourage you to share this co-creative potential with them. It is not essential that they believe in God, but if they think of the possibilities of a greater intelligence that could impinge upon their own thinking, we hope that they will accept that possibility, and leave the direction and development of spirituality of individuals up to their Thought Adjuster, Guardian Angels and their own conscience. It is wonderful to see “hard rock scientists,” as you would call them, speculating upon higher power. They are being engaged by definitely a higher power, within their own minds. We hope this helps you in your own direction, my friend, as you work this process of association and networking to help this process along. (Thank you very much.) You are welcome. Are their other questions concerning this field.

Student: In our country whoever gets the first patent is the one who decides the fate of things of this nature. Has this already been patented, this zero-point energy machine?

Celestial Teacher: I believe your friend, immediately to your right can answer those questions for you. There are many machines that have been devised, some of which have been patented, or at least their plans have been patented. This is a question for research into your patent process and the office of patents in this nation and in other nations, and should you go into those research fields, you will find far more machines, processes, come to light than you knew about before. (Thank you.) You are welcome.

As for zero-point energy, we continue to urge all involved and interested, to continue on, for there are solutions here, and you will discover them in time. You will find through your associations the means and resources to move ahead and provide those working models, which you seek to demonstrate. You are beginning to engage the new energy source, which . . . spoke about. It is real! Last burning questions, if there are any?

Student: I have one more. (Certainly.) In the research for identifying zero-point energy units, when we reach a point of finding one, in which patents are freely given and information available for such a unit that would be practical for small home use—5 kilowatt or 10 kilowatt energy outputs—can you suggest ways in which such a device could be engineered and manufactured and made available on essentially a “cost basis” to a wide population? Are there alternatives that would make sense to do that?

Celestial Teacher: You will not find success by pursuing a “cost basis” motivation, but the profit motive is also reasonable for this application, profit that is reasonable, not exorbitant! If you have a machine that costs $3,000 in materials, labor and overhead and you charge $90,000 – that is unreasonable. But if you make a reasonable profit, that is fair to everyone, then these products will become wide spread. Or, if these plans were made available to the homeowner who is capable of manufacturing these products themselves for a fee for the plans, that also is reasonable. Does that answer your question, or have I missed the point?

(No. Thank you very much for that. It helps.)

END

Here is a site which has been active for quite some time about the subject.

They try to pull apart the hoaxes and ellevate possible solutions.

www.zpenergy.com...

There is a little more information on this topic hear

www.gizmag.com
August 20, 2006 Steorn, an Irish company, claims to have produced a groundbreaking (we do not use this word lightly) technology which is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and produces free, clean and constant energy. If the claims are true, the new technology will enable a significant range of benefits, from the convenience of never having to refuel your car or recharge your mobile phone, to a genuine solution to the need for zero emission energy production. It will also provide a secure supply of energy, since the components of the technology are readily available. Steorn’s technology appears to violate the ‘Principle of the Conservation of Energy’, (energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change form) considered by many to be the most fundamental principle in our current understanding of the universe. Fully aware that its claims will be considered bunkum by anyone who has graduated kindergarten, Steorn today issued a challenge to the global scientific community to test its free energy technology. Steorn has placed an advertisement in The Economist to attract the attention of the world’s leading scientists working in the field of experimental physics. From all the scientists who accept the challenge, twelve will be invited to take part in a rigorous testing exercise to prove that Steorn’s technology creates free energy. The results will be published worldwide.

every body that posted on the thread had a lot of good information

[edit on 10-9-2006 by RedGolem]

I'll be seeing Greer on Saturday at a talk he is giving re this topic. I hope to ask him a couple of pointed questions. I heard him speak in San Jose a few months back when Springer, Lear and folks were up there for a conference.

It seems Greer is pushing hard for money - and lots of it. It seems his project is about funding others, but I get the impression he is really funding his own efforts - or perhaps using the come-on of a potential big monetary reward as an inducement to get someone to cough up some more Disclosure tidbits.

Anyway - if anyone here has a question they'd like me to ask Greer - let me now and I'll try and get it in this weekend...