Akron cop killed

Some other things you probably won't hear about from certain people with an agenda.
Mourners recall fallen Akron police officer Justin Winebrenner

The 32-year-old patrolman was laid to rest Saturday afternoon in Holy Cross Cemetery following a funeral at Rhodes Arena in Akron that drew about 2,000, including a mass of police officers from all across Ohio.

A motorcade of police cruisers and mourners escorting the officer’s hearse stretched for more than a mile, taking nearly 30 minutes to fully pass through downtown. Along the way, men, women and children dotted the motorcade route sidewalks through Akron’s bleak and overcast streets.
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Rep. Tim Ryan presented Winebrenner’s family with a condolence letter written and signed by President Barack Obama. Local NAACP President Ophelia Averitt, looking out at an audience filled with law officers, offered her praise of police across the country, calling them the “greatest fraternity in the world.”

The loss of anyone - especially falling far before their time - is tragic. Most people feel this way. Most people also understand that situations are not the same, and don't draw equivalences between situations where there are none.

a reply to: Greven

You missed the point. entirely.

A life was lost in each case. The shooting was interracial. In one case, the public was outraged due to the race of the victim. In the other case, the public is largely ignoring the story because the victim wasn't of the race that would make for a great news story.

In both cases, a person died that shouldn't have.

I was just pointing out the hippocricy of the media and the public in this instance.

Unless the issues with law enforcement are addressed they should expect more of this. I wonder how many cops being killed for being cops we dont know about.

a reply to: network dude
Given that much of what your response is things I acknowledged, I fail to see how I missed the point.

In fact, I would suggest that you miss the point of what outraged people in the shooting of Michael Brown, Jr. by making it about race. That's a strange twist on why people were upset.

The public was outraged because an unarmed person was shot to death by police when initial reports by alleged witnesses were that his hands were up and that he was shot running away.

I for one am hoping that the grand jury will not indict the black man who killed the officer

because I really fancy a Samsung PN64F8500 64inch Plasma Smart TV.

a reply to: network dude

Is this officers life any less valuable than Mike Brown? Why is there no outrage?

From the source:

Ivery fled the bar on foot, and Akron police officers launched a manhunt for the 35 year old. K-9 officers sniffed him out a short time later lying down in an empty field by a rail yard less than a mile from the bar, Capt. Daniel Zampelli said.

The person who shot him will stand trial, as he should.

Wheres the trial for Wilson?

THAT is where the outrage comes from.

Hard to say why.Punish him. Just like you should punish a bad cop. But if you treated them the same way he would get a paid vacation instead of prison. a reply to: network dude

originally posted by: Greven

The public was outraged because an unarmed person was shot to death by police when initial reports by alleged witnesses were that his hands were up and that he was shot running away.

no. the public is outraged because a White cop, shot a Black person. Which is exactly why I referenced this as the hippocricy.

I personally hate that ANYONE was killed, but the MEDIA seems to want to agitate the PUBLIC and keep reminding them it's all about race.

You don't get it.

originally posted by: captaintyinknots
The person who shot him will stand trial, as he should.

Wheres the trial for Wilson?

THAT is where the outrage comes from.

Then how was it present a few days after the incident? Try again.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Greven

The public was outraged because an unarmed person was shot to death by police when initial reports by alleged witnesses were that his hands were up and that he was shot running away.

no. the public is outraged because a White cop, shot a Black person. Which is exactly why I referenced this as the hippocricy.

I personally hate that ANYONE was killed, but the MEDIA seems to want to agitate the PUBLIC and keep reminding them it's all about race.

You don't get it.

Are they? Everything I have heard is that they are outraged because there is no trial.

The MEDIA is the one who would have you believe its only about a black kid and a white cop.

These are not parallel comparisons AT ALL. In one case, the perpetrator will stand trial. In the other, the prosecute did whatever he could to make sure that there wasnt one.

Again: THAT is where the outrage comes from.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: captaintyinknots
The person who shot him will stand trial, as he should.

Wheres the trial for Wilson?

THAT is where the outrage comes from.

Then how was it present a few days after the incident? Try again.

I dont follow? How was what present?

a reply to: network dude

I honestly think some people skipped a large section of state education.

This man will be charged and indited and convicted and recieve a huge sentence.

Get back to us with your false equivalence when the hundreth cop killer gets off without even being charged.

Then we can talk.

a reply to: network dude

I guess I'm not particularly shocked or outraged than an angry drunk went off on a handle and used his firearm. It happens every so often. What would be an outrage would be if the killer got off the hook. That is the part where there would be outrage. I know I'm not the first to say this on this thread but I share the sentiment!

Officer Darrin Wilson was tried by a Capital Grand Jury. Their decisions came back with a no bill to proceed with state prosecution. I thought most of the ATS'ers here were little smarter than this.

Well you can't argue with stupid...

originally posted by: NightFlight
Officer Darrin Wilson was tried by a Capital Grand Jury. Their decisions came back with a no bill to proceed with state prosecution. I thought most of the ATS'ers here were little smarter than this.

Well you can't argue with stupid...

This is a bit off topic, but that was not a trial. They are entirely different proceedings.

A true bill requires at least 75% of grand jury members to believe there is probable cause to indict on a particular charge. No true bill does not mean jurors thought he was innocent, but that at least 33% of jurors thought there was no probable cause. In case you are unfamiliar with the process, no true bill being returned means an unknown number of grand jury members fewer than 9 (ie, 0-8) felt that there was probable cause to indict. They do not have to all agree.

Additionally, in that case, this was the jury instruction regarding probable cause:

Ms. Alizadeh: Probable cause to believe that he committed the offense, which means that he met all elements of that offense. You remember that from your grand jury days. And you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not act in lawful self-defense and you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not use lawful force in making an arrest. And only if you find those things, which is kind of like finding a negative, you cannot return an indictment on anything or true bill unless you find both of those things. Because both are complete defenses to any offense and they both have been raised in his, in the evidence. So any other questions about the law?

a reply to: Greven

I forgot to link to a previous post, my apologies.

However, you are selling state and federal grand juries a little short don't you think? They have to look at IMO more evidence and testimony than a regular trial. Getting all that straight and trying to keep focused on the crux of the bill that is to be found true or not is a daunting task.

I'm going to stop here to keep from drifting off topic.

My thoughts and prayers to the family of the Akron police officer.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

Who got closure in the o j Simpson trial? How bout George zimmermans? A trial does not guarantee anything but lawyers making a lot o money. Due process was followed and the results were made public.

Well lets do away with trials altogether then? Looking back we see that OJ and Zimmerman got away with murder because of the respective trials. Just blowing it off now because justice was denied elsewhere isn't a solution.

Tell that to the people of Ferguson. We saw what happened. At least with a trial verdict we all get to see what so far is just an announcement.

I saw exactly what happened. Liquor stores and meat markets were looted. I didn't see any protest.

Thats why they announced it after dark, the only thing visible after dark are flames.