"God" = "Satan"

No, Satan is not lucifer.

Anyways, here's my theory.

Everyone's heard the saying from a movie that goes --the greatest trick the devil ever did, was convincing everyone he didn't exist--or something along those lines.

What IF, the greatest trick the devil ever did was making people beleive he was god? Why is god so vengful, and needed to be feared to get into heaven, you fear hell, fear gods punishment therefore him in a way.

Tower of babel fits, God destroys it because they are trying to get close to him. He sounds scared in the bible, or is that satan who is scared?

I don't know I forgot where I was going with this. HA.

Apparently people were babbling too much in babel so God mixed up their languages because they were due on their rent, he wanted them out of dodge and sent them to the far corners of the earth. People gathered in groups according to what ever languages they spoke. And thousands of years later, here we are.

-note- unofficial version of the bible.

Satan has a bad rap. Early form of gender bias. Evil women always plotting.

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God was vengeful in order to scare the living daylights out of mortals. This fear ensures that one should never anger god.

Satan was evil in order to deter people to do 'bad things'.

They were created to pacify the people. And it still works to this day. Probably the greatest psychological trick ever to be played on this world.

Satan was not evil. Adam was jealous that Satan stole his woman/sister Eve. Eve thought Adam was a self-glorifying Adonis who believed that god favored him and the earth and all it's creature was created for him.

Obviously, they left the delusional loser and found a nice beach near present day Thailand.

God destroyed the tower of bable because they were trying to be better then god not get close to him. The devil does exhist his name is micheal moore. But seriously the devil has tried to make people believe he was God. Havent you ever heard of satanists?

Satan is not evil. It was jealousy that gave forth that depiction. How would you like it if someone stole your wife, you would probably write bad things about her. As far as present day Satanist, they are a bunch loony tune individuals trying to be different. Satan and the devil are two different entity. They are not the same. The devil is a man. Instead of being civil, he wanted to become devil, or devol.

G O2 D, god or good was who they worship. Seriously, where do you people find these slander and libel?

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I am not bible literate, but it always struck me that God and Satan had a lot in common. They both want your souls. One supposedly will buy it, the other wants you to give it to him/it. They both seem authoritarian. I always wondered if it was the same guy in different guises. Maybe with a split personality.

Of course I have also wondered if religion is basically a big scam anyway. Perhaps run by Angels or Aliens.

In the Book of Job, It talks about the antagonist and protagonist and becomes difficult to tell one from the other. They sound like they are having tea while one of them destroys Job's life. Since God is the one infliciting all the pain and destruction in Job's life It just left me wondering, "Is this a God I would want?".
Job = God's doormat in the bible.

If Churches are meant to be dog and doormat factories, feel free to count me out.

I may not be all powerful, but I am the one I worship.
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Some of you people are really reaching!! Atleast if you're gonna debate this you could reference the actual material you're getting your ideas from!!

Genesis 11
1. And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [are] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

_BLiND_ certainly seems to have a strong case for his arguement, atleast in part.

In verse 7 it's written, and in the first person no less, "let Us" go down. So this kinda makes The LORD, more than One Entity at this point. But who else is there? Could it be.....mmmm.....SATAN??? Can't tell for sure since there is no mention of any other Entity other the The LORD according to what's written.

Once again, look at verse 6. What's all the fuss about here anyway that causes The LORD to open up a can of "Woop-Ass" and mix confusion within all mankind??? It sounds like Mankind has once again become too close in understanding their Potential so The LORD ambushes everyone back into submission.

It is certainly One Way of looking at it. A very Literal Interpretation at that. I'd be lying if I said I hadn't thought that very same idea once or twice myself. Of course, no One Interpretation can ever be sufficiently proven to be the right one, so this version is a possibility.

I have some other possible theories that differ from this one too. But I'll wait until we've played with this one first before throwing anything else into the mix.

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I love how people read the bible and see it for face value, and can't see it any other way. They can't twist it around and look from another point of veiw.

Satan is not evil. It was jealousy that gave forth that depiction. How would you like it if someone stole your wife, you would probably write bad things about her

Exactly. If you hate someone, you will eventually shift the views of everyone around you. Thats why satan = evil, to me its more like 2 people with different points of veiw. Why does satan have hell? He could have his own heaven. God just doesn't want him to have the power. the bible is god propaganda

Dispite how much i dispise organized religion, I do know the main stories.
To me its no more then a book or morals. There is no god or satan.

Yet another piece of supporting evidence in _BLiND_'s theory can be found in Genisis 3:22-23

22. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Here again the LORD speaks of man becoming Conscience, Awake or Aware of his Potential and that Potential when fully recognised would make man 'as one of Us', knowing 'Good & Evil'. So the LORD must boot Adam and Eve from the Garden so as to limit the progress of what may become of man.

If god==satan then who made GOD and who made SATAN. In the bible they speak about the son of god - what about the son of the devil ? Does it also have any reference in the Bible indirectly that has been edited through the generations?
I think every body should worship the being that created GOD as that being has the power to create something so powerfull as GOD for which thousands of people have died without asking why !
IF GOD created SATAN then this proves that GOD is actually evil and he wants to harm his children by makeing them suffer with diseases and distributing misery equally among the righteous and the wicked. Why do you think GOD hates us so much that he allowed eve to eat the apple from the forbidden tree when he could have come and destroyed the tree and save us from temptation? IS it his ploy to make us suffer so that we beg him for mercy and he can exhibits his greatness by saving us? Does he need his children to suffer to feel important ?
If he DOESN'T then it shows that he is powerless to act and is just another idle spectator just like us in this universe and if he DOES then he is no better off than worshiping SATAN and atleast SATAN works openly to cause misery while GOD hides in heaven s'n-word'ing at the misery of man.

GOD AND HIS MYSTERIOUS WAYS!!

Are you serious? How does Satan work openly? Can you cite a case? I am not trying to berate you or anything. I was just curious why Satan is blamed for the evil committed by man.

Originally posted by _BLiND_
Why is god so vengful, and needed to be feared to get into heaven, you fear hell, fear gods punishment therefore him in a way.

If your familiar with the Christian bible.....it's like there is a change of power or ruler ship, between the OT and NT....the NT does not teach fear and vengeance....that's the OT, the NT teaches love, tolerance, and understanding.....

"Us," as in the comments and notations of "let us," is a reference that has been used for two things:
1) Indicates the heavenly host before the fall of Satan.
2) Indicates the "heavenly host" after the fall of Satan.



seekerof

Umm, forgot....it also indicates God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit prior to and after 'creation'.



seekerof

Umm, double forgot....
The theory or postulation that God=Satan is wrong.
Why?
Because if one reads the story/account of Job, one will see that there are two distinct entities and that they (God and Satan) have a number of conversations with each other.



seekerof

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Originally posted by Justanotherperson
Are you serious? How does Satan work openly? Can you cite a case? I am not trying to berate you or anything. I was just curious why Satan is blamed for the evil committed by man.

Well, it depends on your perception of what SATAN is if you think he is some creature that you can see setting fire to orphanages or churches then thats not what I mean, SATAN is considered [atleast by me!] as the instigator of the evil which man commits, man is supposedly innocent by nature only seduced into darkness by the DEVIL/SATAN.
All the misery in the world today like starvation deaths, meaningless wars in Africa and Asia over something or the other- basically the actions of man against the another which no sane man would do(ex: BIN LADEN's 9/11 etc).

I'm sorry but if I had the means and the money, I would have beat osama to it. I don't see him as evil in any way. Just fighting a war from the other side.

PLEASE DON'T DRAG POLITICS INTO THIS.

Maybe satan is gods alter ego.

I think it's just a cop out to say Satan is the reason for man's evil/darkness.

Originally posted by _BLiND_


I think it's just a cop out to say Satan is the reason for man's evil/darkness.

I will agree with you on that one! It's a way to not be responsible for your own actions!

Originally posted by _BLiND_
What IF, the greatest trick the devil ever did was making people beleive he was god?

Yeah.. I'll go with that.
The serpant was meant to have encouraged Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge.. so how could 'god' lead us into the light if he wants to keep us in the dark?
Leading people away from ignorance [which causes biggotry] is the only thing that could save us from ourselves.. funny how holy wars have never been fought in the name of the devil.