Yahweh Zeus and Lucifer are one in the same?

a reply to: Tangerine

You either didn't read the op or you have an axe to grind, either way I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how long people have been on earth and as far as I know there are no written histories dating back more than 6000 years or so. If you have some relevant information that I am lacking please share. If not then thank you for your opinion on the matter.

I don't believe that anyone has all of this completely and factually figured out. Anyone that says they do is either a liar or a fool.

originally posted by: johnnyBgood
a reply to: Tangerine

You either didn't read the op or you have an axe to grind, either way I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how long people have been on earth and as far as I know there are no written histories dating back more than 6000 years or so. If you have some relevant information that I am lacking please share. If not then thank you for your opinion on the matter.

I don't believe that anyone has all of this completely and factually figured out. Anyone that says they do is either a liar or a fool.

I read it. I provided you with the relevant information which is that God and Satan come after not before the other ancient gods you think are agents of Satan (ie. working for Satan). I am, of course, referring to the timeline of the myths about these deities. God first appears in Judaism. Satan, as an individual, first appears in Christianity. Many deities (those you regard as agents of Satan) pre-existed both. To verify this, you need only check the dates of existence of the cultures that worshipped the respective deities. How, then, is it possible that the agents of Satan pre-exist Satan?

Of course no one has this figured out factually. It's myth. I simply pointed out the whopping flaw in your internal logic.

originally posted by: johnnyBgood
The more I dug , the deeper the hole got until I had to just throw out Christianity and the bible all together. That's not to say that the bible is entirely false, I believe parts of the OT are true or at least based in truth, but it is certainly not a good source to learn about God.

According to my research, in addition to reading the The Bible in its literal sense, there are also seven hidden layers within it - which I believe is what is called The Seven Seals in Revelation Chapters 5-8. I intend to write a thread on ATS here on this subject unless someone beats me to it. Some of these seals have been opened already and well documented/discussed; like with astrology & the Zodiacs, but there are six more seals.

None of the messages within these Sevel Seals or the Bible's literal interpretation is more true or false than the others; I believe that they are all true. Every good novel does the same and have many levels of interpretations, the Bible is obviously written by someone/something superintelligent though, a human mind could not nit some something that well together.

-MM

a reply to: johnnyBgood

The Bible DOES say we were created to be slaves. In fact, the main focus of Christianity is that NOT being his slave and obeying his every word is what made it necessary for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. It's even written in The Bible that Jesus said "not my will, but THY will be done".

If homosexuality is satanic and the entire media and world is controlled by satanists, it sure is strange how gay people are still persecuted in many places around the world (even the MOST accepting places for gays such as Europe and USA - still has some discrimination against gays). Also, there are many different types of satanists (just like there are many different types of christians, buddhists, or any other religion). They don't all agree on the same things.

You say that "the righteous" ones will come soon to set everything "right". The people who follow other religions believe the same thing, except it's their belief about "righteousness" instead of yours. Trying to force YOUR way of life on everyone is what keeps the world in conflict and create wars. Not everyone comes from the same religion or culture as you, therefore not everyone believe in the same "religious codes" or family "structure" as you.

originally posted by: johnnyBgood
a reply to: LABTECH767

How do you reconcile your beliefs with the fact that the bible says YHVH inherited Israel? From whom did he inherit it?

Also the bible says that the Elohim plural (or gods if you will) created the heavens and the earth and everything in and on them. This Yahweh guy is no where to be found in the creation story.

The Father and Son are the same person but seperate people, the son said "He who see's me see's the father now the son is the heir of the father but they are the same person and he inherit's it by fullfilling what david said "The Lord said to My Lord sit at my Right hand", Jesus is the Right hand of God but what is the Left hand doing and no that is not Satan".
Your argument demonstate's a difficulty in reconciling your own mortality and view of time with the word's meant for us in the bible.
Also take into account translation even when accurate can lose some meaning, Israel are God's inheritance as the children yet to be born are his inheritance and that include's the branch grafted on and the branch cut off for "I will love those whom I bless to the 1000th generation but they whom I hate I will curse to the FOURTH generation" meaning the branch cut off was cut off for no more than FOUR generation's especially since there children still fall within the thousand generations and of course then there is his blessing to Jacob when he lay near some ruin's of an ancient city that the people then called Luz in the desert, "And Behold the ground upon which you now lie and the stars of heaven can you tell me there number yet I alone who made them know there True number and I shall multiply your seed until they are greater in number even than these".

Then there are those misguided and otherwize backward soul's who worship the devil either out of fear like a little doggie running between there masters leg's hoping he might pet them or because they simply hate the human race or believe nothing but then is it not also said that the enemy of God planted his weed's among the field in which god had planted his seed.

Satan never even faced God for had he then he would have been obliterated totally but instead another Angel led the loyal two thirds and cast Satan and his follower's out, in the process Michael wounded one of the Dragon's head's even to death but it does not die as the other six lesser head's keep there leader alive until all that has been told come's to pass and they are sent into the second death, a terrible place buried alive in hot coals that like liquid burn within and without but where they though unable to move and sealed away forever in the heavenly oubliet are denied death along with there follower's when death is all they want.

a reply to: Tangerine

How could Zeus predate Zeus? What I am saying is that Zeus is Satan by a different name. I could reverse it if it helps and say that Satan is Zeus by a different name but the point remains the same. You are so focused on the name Satan that you are entirely missing the point.

The name is irrelevant if you think of it from the perspective that I have put forth. In fact that is the main idea of what I have put forth.

You don't have to agree with me but it should not be difficult to understand me. Zeus, Satan, Yahweh and other ancient gods (Ra and Enki) seem to have had very similar characteristics. That's the gist of it.

You said that people have been on earth for 1500,000 years, I think this is entirely possible but I would not state that factually because there is no way of knowing for sure or proving it.

You seem to believe that you have a superior grasp on the subject than myself or other posters yet all you give as evidence is your own statements.

I don't have any problem with differing opinions but let's not pretend that they are anything more than that.

I hope I have made myself clear enough for you.

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: johnnyBgood

The Bible DOES say we were created to be slaves. In fact, the main focus of Christianity is that NOT being his slave and obeying his every word is what made it necessary for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. It's even written in The Bible that Jesus said "not my will, but THY will be done".

If homosexuality is satanic and the entire media and world is controlled by satanists, it sure is strange how gay people are still persecuted in many places around the world (even the MOST accepting places for gays such as Europe and USA - still has some discrimination against gays). Also, there are many different types of satanists (just like there are many different types of christians, buddhists, or any other religion). They don't all agree on the same things.

You say that "the righteous" ones will come soon to set everything "right". The people who follow other religions believe the same thing, except it's their belief about "righteousness" instead of yours. Trying to force YOUR way of life on everyone is what keeps the world in conflict and create wars. Not everyone comes from the same religion or culture as you, therefore not everyone believe in the same "religious codes" or family "structure" as you.

In the creation story it does not say that we were created to be slaves. In fact there is much about free will which is the opposite of slavery. Being expected to follow basic rules is not slavery. If it were then all children would be considered slave which they clearly are not.

Now this YHVH character was more of a slave drive. I will free you from the enslavement of pharoh only to make you my slaves instead. This is another reason why I reject YHVH as the divine creator and more likely on of the fallen ones.

You have hit on something here though and it is a big problem. Many different people have many different ideas of what is right and wrong. Well who gets to decide what is right and wrong? Me? You? Please don't say the government.

I am of the line of thinking these days that there was an original teaching given to humanity but is has been lost to most of the world. As I stated in the op, some of the Native Americans and other tribal type communities that have not fallen into the trappings of materialism and statism may be the only ones who are even close to keeping the original teachings whatever they might have been.

Whatever the original teachings were I am certain that "Do what thou wilt" was not it. Not by a long shot. There is universal law in my opinion and it does include a moral code.

I used the term righteous ones for a reason. They can be nothing other than truthful as opposed to some sort of antichrist or real supposedly real christ that wants to nuke every one.

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Hmm, interesting. Could you send me a PM if you ever get around to making that thread. I would like to give it a read.

a reply to: johnnyBgood

Whatever the original teachings were I am certain that "Do what thou wilt" was not it. Not by a long shot. There is universal law in my opinion and it does include a moral code.

"Do What Thou Wilt" is a misquote of what was actually said.


Saint Augustine of Hippo actually said:

"Once for all, then, a short precept is given thee: Love, and do what thou wilt..."


And The Law of Thelema actually is:

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will."

They are not saying "Do What Thou Wilt" but "Do What Thou Wilt is The Law AND Love is The Law ".

Compare that to The Golden Rule:

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. " (Galatians 5:14)

"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." - (Romans 13:10)

The Golden Rule is found in many , many religious traditions. It is universal.

a reply to: arpgme
I was referring to Aleister Crowley, but whatever. It is not a misquote either way. Saying that it is a misquote is like saying that you quoting me above was a misquote because you did not quote the entire post.

Either way I stand by my assertion that "do what what thou wilt" is not the universal law. This is easily proven just by observing what some people "wilt" do. Hitler comes to mind, a lame but always easy example. His will involved killing people that he didn't like or agree with in order to supposedly protect the people and country he loved.

Do what thou wilt is the equivalent of having no laws whatsoever even if love is tied in with it. Even the quote you present is contradictory to itself.

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will."

So which is it? Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law or love is the law? It cannot be both. How would you define love? Some people (thanks to our wonderful propaganda machines) think that love and sex are the same thing which is a fallacy in and of itself.

The golden rule is of no consequence to this discussion as it simply suggests what we should do to be civil and says nothing about prohibitions such as do not have relations with you sister (even if you love you sister). Even so, that cannot be universal law simply because people like different things. Some people enjoy getting pissed on for example, does that mean that they should go around pissing on people? Of course not.

Rather than being pissed on simply because some people enjoy it I would state the opposite, that pissing on people should be prohibited by law even if some people are sick enough to enjoy it. This is exactly why we need universal law. Some people are sick and can't tell what is good and bad or right and wrong. Simple.

Many religious traditions require the the converting or killing of nonbelievers and ritualistic blood sacrifice (sometimes human), that does not mean that those things are universal. To me that indicates that certain religions and traditions are just plain evil and wrong because they were set up by an evil being or false god if you prefer in order to enslave mankind as is the assertion of my op.

a reply to: johnnyBgood

It's a misquote because a part of The Law was taken out (the Love part).

Obviously if Doing What Thou Wilt AND Love are both The Law, then The Full Law is Doing What Thou Wilt while having Love.

Just because some people believe love is sex, that doesn't mean that it is. That is not what the agreed upon definition is. Sex is related to lust. Love is related to affection according to most dictionaries and most people definitions and that affection inspires compassion for others.

If you want to live your life with many self-imposed rules, then that is your choice, but The Path is Narrow. Doing unto others as you would have them do unto you (Love/Compassion) is The Law and what The True Prophets taught.

Cool thread OP thanks! i haven't had the chance to read it all yet..i just wanted to drop this off wespenre.com... your thinking along the right lines it seems, these are one and all the same entity and that entity is also known as Enki.

SnF

a reply to: johnnyBgood

You sir are very good at analysis, I have recently concluded with the same, plus or minus a few things, especially after becoming a truth seeker, there is an issue, the confusion with YHVH has possibly been introduced to confuse, I think there is a chance that the lesser God, the creator of Man, has used certain elements that might be attributed to the all, the only one God of the Universe, so that mankind will never know the fact of the matter, that he is in fact a creation below the creation of the all and the infinite being, the one that truly cannot be known or comprehended.

Thanks for your insight and truth of this reality, I am still learning, had to go all the way back to the first 5 books of Moses to realize this truth that many people are very misled about.

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: johnnyBgood

The Bible DOES say we were created to be slaves. In fact, the main focus of Christianity is that NOT being his slave and obeying his every word is what made it necessary for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. It's even written in The Bible that Jesus said "not my will, but THY will be done".

If homosexuality is satanic and the entire media and world is controlled by satanists, it sure is strange how gay people are still persecuted in many places around the world (even the MOST accepting places for gays such as Europe and USA - still has some discrimination against gays). Also, there are many different types of satanists (just like there are many different types of christians, buddhists, or any other religion). They don't all agree on the same things.

You say that "the righteous" ones will come soon to set everything "right". The people who follow other religions believe the same thing, except it's their belief about "righteousness" instead of yours. Trying to force YOUR way of life on everyone is what keeps the world in conflict and create wars. Not everyone comes from the same religion or culture as you, therefore not everyone believe in the same "religious codes" or family "structure" as you.

I agree with much that you said except the part about people who follow other religions believing the same thing about righteous ones coming soon to set everything right. That's only a belief in a few religions not the majority.

originally posted by: johnnyBgood
a reply to: Tangerine

How could Zeus predate Zeus? What I am saying is that Zeus is Satan by a different name. I could reverse it if it helps and say that Satan is Zeus by a different name but the point remains the same. You are so focused on the name Satan that you are entirely missing the point.

The name is irrelevant if you think of it from the perspective that I have put forth. In fact that is the main idea of what I have put forth.

You don't have to agree with me but it should not be difficult to understand me. Zeus, Satan, Yahweh and other ancient gods (Ra and Enki) seem to have had very similar characteristics. That's the gist of it.

You said that people have been on earth for 1500,000 years, I think this is entirely possible but I would not state that factually because there is no way of knowing for sure or proving it.

You seem to believe that you have a superior grasp on the subject than myself or other posters yet all you give as evidence is your own statements.

I don't have any problem with differing opinions but let's not pretend that they are anything more than that.

I hope I have made myself clear enough for you.

If you don't know that there is hard evidence proving that people (ie. Homo sapiens) have existed for 150,000 years, I suggest that you put down your mythology books and study some science.

Your "subject" is myths and you can engage in any fantasies about myths that you choose. However, you can not successfully claim that myths about Satan preceded myths about all ancient deities. You are now modifying your claim to state that some ancient deities had the same characteristics as the Christian Satan. It is hardly a revelation that there is similarity and continuity between myths and mythological characters of different cultures. There's an entire field of study devoted to it: comparative mythology. Nevertheless, those similarities in no way prove that any of those mythological figures ever existed or exist now, including your favorites.

If you wish you to claim that Satan, Yahweh, Zeus and the others exist as fact, you'll need to cite testable evidence proving your claim is fact. Can you do that or do you wish to keep this all within the realm of fantasy?

originally posted by: johnnyBgood
a reply to: Tangerine

How could Zeus predate Zeus? What I am saying is that Zeus is Satan by a different name. I could reverse it if it helps and say that Satan is Zeus by a different name but the point remains the same. You are so focused on the name Satan that you are entirely missing the point.

In Greek mythology, who created Zeus as an angel who "fell"? In other words, who, in Greek mythology,plays the role of the Christian God?

originally posted by: johnnyBgood
a reply to: arpgme


Many religious traditions require the the converting or killing of nonbelievers and ritualistic blood sacrifice (sometimes human), that does not mean that those things are universal. To me that indicates that certain religions and traditions are just plain evil and wrong because they were set up by an evil being or false god if you prefer in order to enslave mankind as is the assertion of my op.

Could you name some of the religions and traditions that you believe are "just plain evil and wrong because they were set up by an evil being or false god"? Could you name some religions and traditions that you believe are not just plain evil and wrong? Perhaps this would help clarify your position.

a reply to: Tangerine

The point is, every religion that believes in good, evil, and righteousness believes that THEIR idea of good and evil or THEIR idea of righteousness is the TRUE version.

Nothing special about believing that yours is the only true one.

a reply to: arpgme

Fair enough. I guess what this whole thought process that I am trying to relay can be boiled down to is that there is only one truth. There can be no more than one. I just wish I knew what it was.

The divisiveness of religion came about because the world as a whole no longer knows the one plain and whole truth of existence.

The truth is not a religion it is just reality. All religions are just a cheap substitution for the truth including Darwinism IMO.

Sure some religions are closer to this truth than others.

There is right and wrong, good and bad but the definitions are being fuzzied up rather intentionally is seems.

Right and wrong are the same now as they have always been. Right and wrong haven't changed over time, only perception changes, not reality or truth.

The divine universal law or original teaching is what has been taken from us and is what must be restored.

a reply to: Tangerine

Every religion that is based on ancient human like gods is IMO a deception perpetrated by evil aliens, fallen angels or whatever you prefer to call them. None of them were true gods, they just wanted to play god and turn us pathetic earth people into their slaves or subjects or whatever.

Zeus was known for breeding with earth women and making hybrid children just as the bible says the fallen ones did. The same is true of some of the Annunaki from what I have read and Egyptian gods.

They all seem to tell the same story, just from different perspectives. This does not mean that everyone who has been fooled into believing in them is evil. It just means that our true history has been hijacked along with our present and future just as the bible says.

I stated in the OP that the only ones that I think are or were even close to keeping the original teachings are/were some Native American tribes and perhaps other tribal type peoples that somehow managed to stay close to nature and avoid the trappings of materialism that is currently on a fast track to observe, control and indoctrinate us all with whatever nonsense the self appointed slave drivers wish. I am paraphrasing here, but you get the idea.