Study Says Sandy Hook Killer Carefully Planned Attack

a reply to: lovebeck

to me that's an indication he was an experiment. a mind control experiment.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
I'm just curious, and this is in no way at all directed at you personally but more of a general question.....

Understood.

why is it that so many on here are willing to accept one set of "facts" (ie, an article talking about his weight and physical health, etc) but at the same time don't accept other "facts" (ie he did it)? It frankly boggles my mind how quickly and easily some people can utterly dismiss one set of information and substitute an entirely new one that is theoretically just as dubious.

well, his weight can be verified by the coroner's report...assuming, of course, that even that is legit, and hasn't been doctored.

see, the reason people question this event, and the official version of what happened(i.e; he did it), is because there are so many contradictions, oddities, and things that either don't make sense, or just plain don't add up. i, personally, think it's about even with the JFK assassination, in terms of high strangeness.....too many things don't pass the smell test...

In any event, as to your comment, I hadn't seen anything at all about how much weight he was supposed to be carrying, so that's news to me. Thanks for the info, I'll have to look around for it.

well, those same people who could be considered professionally knowledgeable, added up the weight of all the weapons and ammo he was said to be carrying, and when you put it all together, it's, apparently, pretty heavy. i honestly forget the exact numbers...there was a really great thread on this subject, lots of really good info...but, for reasons i can't get into, it is no longer active.

a reply to: Daedalus

Thanks for the explanation. But that brings me to another question: if we're accepting the coroner's report about his weight, where's the discrepancy about the location of the fatal wound? I imagine the coroner's report also included that, but there's supposed to be multiple stories about where the wound actually was.

To put a point on it, I fully believe the tragedy is what it was portrayed, as far as the victims are concerned. I believe Lanza was heavily involved, if not solely. I'm just perplexed by the seemingly random acceptance of one thing but not another.

I assure im not trolling or trying to stir anything up, and I hope the mods can see my posts for what they are. I have no interest in discussing anything about the tragedy other than the angle we're discussing, so I hope we can run this out a little further.

a reply to: Shamrock6

i'm not even gonna comment about the mods...-points up-

ok, so, as i remember (it's been a while), the conflicting reports come from both the M.E.'s report on Lanza..i'm talking autopsy. and then the in the official report, released by the CSP, which includes the aforementioned M.E. report, also states that he shot himself in the back of the head. in the interest of full disclosure, since it has been a while since i went over the source materials, it may have also been the case that the M.E. said one thing, and the official report said something else, and that the two documents were not actually together in the same "book"

i do know for a fact that at least two different versions of how he died were released for public consumption, by CT officials...

believe me when i tell you that there is NOTHING random about the views of many of us on ATS, with regards to acceptance of facts in this matter. now, of course, you have the set who believes nobody died, but they have yet to provide concrete proof that such is the case...myself, and those like me, do not represent that position. the only position that we actually support is that the event did not take place exactly as we have been told, and that there are many things wrong with the official version of events. we believe things are being hidden, and that lies have been told. we only address what we can, based on actual information, not knee-jerk media reports, or any other less reliable sources...we question the official report, based on the official report(which many of us actually have a copy of).

a reply to: Daedalus

I appreciate the feedback. Frankly I've been away from ATS for quite a while, because of the tragedy we've been discussing. I couldn't believe some of the things I was reading and hearing about people doing in their "quest for truth."

I haven't looked into any of it since I stepped away from ATS and have more or less ignored it for the most part. I'm interested in learning more about the official story and the possible problems with it so I'll do some digging.

Again, thanks for the feedback and the info.

Is this as opposed to him just on a whim that day going to kill them all? Of course he carefully planned it....why anyone had to do a study on that is beyond me. He had to have amassed the ammo and weapons and gear he had with him....can't exactly get all that at the local store without raising any questions, so yeah, he planned it well in advance based on the gear he had alone. The rest of the planning of the scenario is not hard to fathom at all.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
How physically fit does one need to be to go in to a school and shoot children?

You have to first be alive. Didn't you look at his death certificate?

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

As I stated above, I haven't looked at anything in quite a while. However, after spending about 3 minutes on Google I learned that it was actually the SSDI page that showed his date of death as the 13th of December and not his death certificate. Is that what you're referring to? Because of it is, since a 3 and 4 key are next to each other on every computer keyboard I've ever seen, I would say "typo" is absolutely just a plausible as any other explanation. It' IS the SSA, after all.

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: muchmadness

originally posted by: tavi45


He killed himself before cops arrived, or so they say. One would think that a guy who was obsessed with being a mass killer would have kept going until they killed him.

Didn't the cops execute him? I read somewhere that he was shot in the back of the head, either by the cops or by his accomplice who got away or somebody. There was a thread on this site a while ago saying he was murdered.

The official narrative is that he killed himself

Within minutes, he killed the children, six adults and himself.

m.huffpost.com...

In my opinion, the entire thing was a giant false flag. There was far too much coordination and media control of the situation for something that was apparently so random. So he most likely was executed to cover things up.

I'm actually amazed at how few people here give any credence to the conspiracy theories. There was an absolutely amazing amount of covering up of evidence and control of the situation. To me it absolutely reeked of being a false flag operation.

I've said it before and I will say it again, every thread related to this event being a false flag is an embarrassment to this site.

a reply to: jaffo

So which false flag do you believe in?

Notice how these "studies" keep popping up to "Bolster" the official story?

Also, (for an earlier poster), death certs do not have typos that go uncorrected. That is a big "I'm sorry Mr. Coroner, I'm afraid we have to let you go". Bad record keeping in homicides can cause huge lawsuits.

TPTB know that their lies have big holes, which cause bouts of paranoia, which lead to these "updates" about stories that were manufactured.

Another Telltale sign is stirring public guilt by saying things like: Don't say this or don't say that because it is disrespectful to all the victims. You don't see that said anywhere in all of history except when NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is offered that shows a legitimate event. In legitimate events there is no need or motive to withhold physical evidence. The scientific method always demands it, and so does the academic establishment, and so does the main stream media in all cases EXCEPT for politically motivated and controlled false flag events.

I draw no conclusions or make any statements here about who died or how. All I do here is point out these sociological markers that expose the flaws, means, and methods that our current team of NSA and CIA rookie teams have screwed up on. If I was division head in one of those agencies, they would all be getting flogged in the basement suite at HQ. Perhaps they already have been.

But then, If they are answering to the likes of Obama flunkies or the chief of Flunky himself, what can they do to improve their technique? Not a thing, because you know how the chief flunky hates when people tell him no.

Don't forget, the MSM can't televise any news unless the Whitehouse press secretary approves it first. Straight from the mouth of Connie Chung.

Even the owners of certain Conspiracy mediums have been compromised with these techniques being used to silence a usually questioning American public.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Notice how these "studies" keep popping up to "Bolster" the official story?

Also, (for an earlier poster), death certs do not have typos that go uncorrected. That is a big "I'm sorry Mr. Coroner, I'm afraid we have to let you go". Bad record keeping in homicides can cause huge lawsuits.

TPTB know that their lies have big holes, which cause bouts of paranoia, which lead to these "updates" about stories that were manufactured.

Another Telltale sign is stirring public guilt by saying things like: Don't say this or don't say that because it is disrespectful to all the victims. You don't see that said anywhere in all of history except when NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is offered that shows a legitimate event. In legitimate events there is no need or motive to withhold physical evidence. The scientific method always demands it, and so does the academic establishment, and so does the main stream media in all cases EXCEPT for politically motivated and controlled false flag events.

I draw no conclusions or make any statements here about who died or how. All I do here is point out these sociological markers that expose the flaws, means, and methods that our current team of NSA and CIA rookie teams have screwed up on. If I was division head in one of those agencies, they would all be getting flogged in the basement suite at HQ. Perhaps they already have been.

But then, If they are answering to the likes of Obama flunkies or the chief of Flunky himself, what can they do to improve their technique? Not a thing, because you know how the chief flunky hates when people tell him no.

Don't forget, the MSM can't televise any news unless the Whitehouse press secretary approves it first. Straight from the mouth of Connie Chung.

Even the owners of certain Conspiracy mediums have been compromised with these techniques being used to silence a usually questioning American public.

Yes, heaven forbid that as they continue to dig they continue to discover more about what happened. Gee, maybe because the "official story" is...you know...WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: jaffo

So which false flag do you believe in?

Certainly not 9/11 or Sandy Hook or the Boston Marathon. Real false flags? Yeah, you and I will never, ever know about them for the most part. Because the people who carry them out are VERY, VERY GOOD at their jobs. To think that the people capable of carrying out such acts would also be so stupid and sloppy as to leave what some folks on here think are clues is just silly in my opinion...

a reply to: jaffo

That's always been my problem. With the 25/8 media cycle (yes that was intentional), people so easily believe that the government/illuminati/whomever is really so inept that they make blatant mistakes time and time again, and apparently just hope nobody notices.

i spent time in the military, and then the government before landing in my current career. I can assure you the government is not nearly as inept as people like to believe. At least not in arenas like this anyway. But for whatever reason, it's easier for people to believe that a typo isn't a typo, it's a loose end that nobody noticed. Do false flags and blowbacks happen? Absolutely. Are they as sloppy as people think they are? Not hardly. The government has been doing those types of things longer than anybody who's asking questions has been alive. They have plenty of practice.

a reply to: jaffo

would you care to elaborate upon this?

or at least, maybe, please, restate it in a coherent fashion?

currently, your statement makes no sense, and ends with an assumption.

a reply to: Shamrock6

well, you see...it's not that they hope no one notices...it's that they don't care.

they know that the majority are dumbed down to the point where their natural curiosity, and desire to question authority has been crushed. they know the majority has been conditioned to get all their news from "official" sources, and to believe whatever their told by those sources....

they know that there is still a minority that WILL notice, but they also know it's effortlessly easy to marginalize this minority, by using the official news sources, to destroy their credibility by labeling them as "cooks" "nuts", "crazy", and "conspiracy theorists"...do that, and nobody believes a word they(the minority) say...

now, again, i'm not saying sandy hood was a false flag....what i'm saying is that i don't believe it happened exactly how we were told...i believe there have been lies and omissions...i believe we haven't been told everything. it could be they're lying and hiding things, to cover their own incompetence, or it could be something more sinister, but the bottom line is that there are many things about this thing that just ain't right...

a reply to: jaffo

You say the official story is what actually happened...

Okay, prove it. Show everyone some physical evidence just like they do in court so the jury doesn't have to guess.

The evidence that was shown wouldn't even have a chance of convicting Adam Lanza in a court of law.

a reply to: Daedalus

You're right, it is effortlessly easy to marginalize a movement when people go to the lengths of calling parents of dead children and tell them it's all a lie. It actually requires no effort at all on anybody's part, because every last shred of respectability and potential that movement had with the rest of the population goes right out the window.