J.F.K. Assassination - What evidence raises your suspicions most?

a reply to: Blue Shift

Who says all of the above took part? I have never heard or read anything of the sort. Most people believe one or two of the above took part, not all of them.

To address the question in the title, this is not evidence, but I do wonder: What did Oswald mean when he said "I’m just a patsy"?

To me he is saying he was not innocent but not 100% guilty either, that he was set up and he knew it. I don't think he would call himself a patsy if he had no part at all in the assassination. Although I am aware he also said he didn't shoot anyone and had no knowledge of the killings (JFK and Tippit).

Also I find it inconceivable that the cops did not record their interviews of Oswald or even have stenographer taking notes. To think they would not record interrogations of a supposed presidential assassin boggles the mind.

ftr Ted Kennedy was also in a light plane crash where others onboard (or all) were killed.

a reply to: InvisibleOwl

Notes were taken, but they were destroyed shortly thereafter.

For me the biggest evidence for me is the medical evidence take a close look at the differences between Parkland and Bethesda.The photos have been faked to bring it more in-line with the conclusion that the government wanted.If it went down the way they said then why the constant need to change the Magic Bullet so many times over the years? I don't buy into the David Lifton/Doug Horne "Body Mutilation" theory.Why go through all that when you have total access to the Dr's,staff and the rest?

A lot of people wanted Kennedy dead, they probably worked together. Oswald was no doubt involved, and I'm sure he shot at Kennedy but there were more shooters. It's very likely that a fourth shot was fired. Oswald fired one, and maybe two. Another from the grassy knoll, and one more after that.

Basically a group set up a kill zone and planned to get him in the crossfire. It worked. Oswald hit him in the throat.

they grab the alleged gunman and before he can be questioned he is shot by an obscure crime gangster. Doesn't get more suspicious than that.

a reply to: questionyourtruth

Cool thread.

My two things.... hokey photography and then the understanding of disproportionate Jewish involvement leading to group benefit in technology transfer. Both ways.

Hi all sorry I'll be honest I haven't read all the thread but just wanted to say my bit. Being from the UK I'm not clued up on American politics so I can't say anything about what Kennedy was up to while in office but the decision to use an open topped car does puzzle me. I might be wrong but wasn't this the only time and the only time a US president has travelled in an open top vehicle

a reply to: questionyourtruth

Reading the book Me and Lee by Oswald's lover, Judyth Vary Baker, woke me up to the other side of Oswald that mainstream press did not allow us to know. I have met Judyth a couple of times and she courageously
came out on the 40th anniversary of the JFK tragedy in The Love Affair, part 3 of THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY
and later wrote the book to clear Oswald's name after raising her family and taking refuge in Europe. Her new book is David Ferrie. Ferrie, Oswald, Baker and Dr. Mary Sherman were working with hundreds of mice in researching a cancer virus to try to take out Castro.

For further illumination read Ed Haslam's Dr. Mary's Monkey. Another strange death was Dr. Mary Sherman found in her bed dead. Could it have been another particle beam accelerator accident? Truth IS stranger than fiction.

originally posted by: questionyourtruth
Personally, I think there were possibly two or three shooters - and I wouldn't include anybody in the cars in that number (just my opinion), probably one on the knoll (head shot), one in the depository and one in the Dal-Tex, with the latter two accounting for another three shots.



Of course, that's not to say anyone's opinions are any less valid than my own, that's just the conclusions I've drawn from it all thus far.



Anyway, at the risk of moving off topic, it's probably worth mentioning that we're meant to - largely speaking - be discussing fundamentally suspicious issues regarding the assassination rather than exactly how it was carried out?



Has anyone got any ideas about the multiple Oswalds? The supposed picture of him in Mexico City is absolutely farcical.

The McKinney Courier-Gazette had an article about Robert McLelland, one of the 4 Parkland doctors who tried to save Kennedy, and he mentioned a conversation he had with Ed Hoffman, who is deaf. He had his daughter tell McLelland what he saw near the grassy knoll:

"Hoffman left work around the time of the president's arrival in Dallas to get a toothache inspected at the dentist. The presidential motorcade forced him off onto the edge of Stemmons Freeway about 700 ft away from the knoll. He said he saw one suited man pull out a rifle, place it on top of a fence and fire at Kennedy."

"He then saw the suited man toss the gun to another man dressed in work clothes. That man disassembled the gun, put it in his tool bag and disappeared into the crowd."

So, this story kind of cements the theory that there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. You also see people in photos running up to the area right after the shooting.

ETA: Source: McKinney Courier-Gazette; Sunday, January 29, 2012

a reply to: questionyourtruth

for me its a feeling that the Zapruder film was edited so much so that the stopping car was edited out...

does film deny the viewer depth perception?

the car travels at 2 speeds in 2 consecutive frames?

any bystanders claim the car came to a stop live to retell the tale?

Oswald acted alone. No conspiracy before the fact.
The problems came afterward. When the Warren Commission began investigating they found a group of agencies who all had some issue to hide.
FBI didn't adequately warn others of the threat Oswald posed.
State Department didn't advise local law or Secret Service of Oswald's former defection, nor of his visit to Mexico City (see below).
Secret Service allowed a procedure-defying route involving a hairpin turn under multi-story buildings.
Dallas Police allowed Oswald to get shot himself during transfer.

The conspiracies and cover-ups ocurred during the WarCom investigation as every agency tried to CYA and point fingers at other agencies.

To me the most inexcusable was the State Department. Not only had Oswald visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in MexCity, they had an informant suggesting he discussed killing JFK with them (sort of retaliation for the CIA's attempts on Castro).

Beyond the accumulative massive body of a conspiracy from many angles, I would say two things: the aftermath is proof positive of a murder and conspiracy such as the horrible autopsy by what amounts to being an amateur.
Also the magic bullet is a clear indication of a massive conspiracy particularly where they found it and its condition.

The magic bullet is the building 7 of the Assassination

It is the proof that the murderers of Kennedy, like the conspirators of 911, are putting it in our face that they did it and the people can do nothing about it

First, answer OP's question:

The FIRST statements of Parkland Hospital staff were pretty much unanimous in key areas that blew the theory of all shots from the rear right out of the water. The biggest part of that is the wound which you can only see as a deformation at the rear of JFK's head in slow versions of the Zapruder film, but the supporting statements from Parkland confirm that the back of the skull was blown out, brain matter was oozing out or lying on the stretcher, and the wound was still intact in that the skin and skull were attached at one point so it could be hidden in the subsequent autopsy photos at Bethesda simply by pulling the flap back into place. Additionally, initial statements from Parkland staff regarding the throat wound BEFORE the tracheotomy indicated a wound of entry. These things in and of themselves condemn the subsequent investigations and leave no doubt that there was more than one shooter because the back wound was in the back and there were other wounds in the front.

Second, be careful with the distractors.

Some things come up as critical evidence which are either NOT critical, or could fall under such suspicion, especially after 51 years, that they are virtually useless in terms of investigative value.

-whether or not Oswald was capable at marksmanship is moot. All shots from the TSBD would have been 100 yds or less. Rumors or insinuations about Oswald's record as a marksman from the USMC really mean nothing. He had been out of the Corps for a few years and could have been shooting (or not) like crazy and his true skills will never be known.

-the "magic bullet" or "single bullet" theory doesn't have to play into the equation, at least tied to CE399. The bullet found on the floor after falling from one of the stretchers doesn't have to be "the bullet". In fact it can't be, because a bullet that did the damage this one is purported to have done would be smashed beyond recognition, bottom line. But that doesn't preclude that a single bullet did the damage, and it was a different bullet and wasn't recovered. Now, having defended Specter's case of single bullet, I'll counter my own argument with Connolly's statements that he stuck with to his dying day, that the first bullet that hit JFK in the back happened before the bullet that hit him.

-all Oswald in Mexico stories and Oswald impostor stories are too distracting and take the focus away from facts that could solve the issue.

-many of the mysterious witness deaths listed on the internet aren't all that mysterious. Some are though.

-many of the conspiracy-related events prior to, during, and after the assassination over time have been shaped by the investigator to fulfil a need to find a conspiracy and are very slanted in their interpretation. Use due caution when reading these accounts.

Third, there are some things that are absolute fact and are really bizarre.

-Howard Hunt's presence in Dallas at the time and the saga around that which came to light in a civil suit that Hunt had filed against a periodical which claimed he was there. Hunt won his suit but it was appealed and the appeal was defended by Mark Lane and the rest is really interesting. It changed a lot of my views of the 3 tramps, initially that they were irrelevant, but suddenly became a lot more important.

I think if we stay focused on facts and initial statements, we'll learn a lot more. Sensationalized hokey stories are just muddying the waters.

a reply to: lynxpilot

The official Warren commission theory had to have ONLY mechanical or ”logical” evidence enough to get by( that’s why they concocted the ridiculous magic bullet theory) it wasn’t and didn’t have to be based on facts. That methodology was part of the conspiracy itself….Rely on authority to basically cover it up and get away with it.

It always works because people naturally accept authority in the absence of certainty.

I would say accumulation of circumstances which rarely get discussed.

I think it is HIGHLY fortuitous LHO got a job at the book depository which just happened to be on JFK's future route and in a great place for a shot. Many will argue he would have just shot from someplace else but that is ignoring the point. He did not have to. It was lined up prior to.

At the height of the Cold War, how many Marines defected to the USSR, denounced their citizenship, married an apparatchiks daughter, and later welcomed back to the US in time to visit Cuba? Just curious why this is never mentioned?

LHO was a dud. Marginally incapable of making it in the world day to day. Yet, many parts of the world he did see. Miraculously he always seemed to find the means (supposedly on his own) to make it to the next ridiculous chapter in his saga. Could it happen? Sure. How often?

Any time the assassination is discussed, the only subject is the shot in Dallas. It's almost like that is the shiny object and never mind any other aspect of context.

Oh, and how many night club owners have played such a pivotal role in tragic world events?

Yeah, I could be way off base but none of this sits well with me.

No finger prints pulled from the shell casings.... just one from the trigger that matched Oswald's. If he was so careful not to leave prints on the casings when pushing the rounds into the magazine with his thumb as you would do, why would he be so lapse and leave his print on a trigger.??

Also, how hard to draw a perfect finger print match from a flimsy trigger. be hard enough now in 2014 never mind 1963.

originally posted by: BABYBULL24
Oswald's tax returns & pay statements locked up for national security reasons...lol

It's always follow the money...i dunno who signed those checks the CIA or FBI...or Lyndon Johnson guess will find out in a 100 years.

It's not only who signed them but when he was working and where. For example, there are documents showing him employed in the US while he (or someone who was supposed to be Oswald) in the Soviet Union. So, despite the attempt to hide the documents, some have slipped through the net.

originally posted by: Aazadan
A lot of people wanted Kennedy dead, they probably worked together. Oswald was no doubt involved, and I'm sure he shot at Kennedy but there were more shooters. It's very likely that a fourth shot was fired. Oswald fired one, and maybe two. Another from the grassy knoll, and one more after that.

Basically a group set up a kill zone and planned to get him in the crossfire. It worked. Oswald hit him in the throat.

If Oswald shot at Kennedy (whether he hit him or not), why didn't he have an escape plan?