Disturbing! The Gulf Stream Now Stalling In Two Broken Areas!

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge

originally posted by: fakedirt
a reply to: butcherguy

all that oil from the deepwater fubar must have made its' way into the atlantic to absorb all the heat. perhaps this is bs, however this has surfaced in my mind umpteen times since the event occurred. que the oil hammers!
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flagged and starred you dude.

All that oil just settles down to the bottom of the sea floor and eventually goes right back to where it came from. Divers off my coast, way off the Florida west coast said it is dead out there and the oil is laying on the sandy bottom in clumps. The Chemicals they used to break it up did more damage. However that is way out and all the Marine life that was able to swim away has just moved in closer to the coast, that I have seen first hand. The fishing is awesome compared to what it was before the spill. You wont catch me eating them but catch and release is my kind of fishing anyway.

How close to the coast is that? is it in the dead zone that already existed along the coast before the BP oil spill, just curious.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: butcherguy

Could it possibly have something to do with the broken/damaged Gulf Loop current that was altered a few years ago from the deep water horizon accident? 1 wonders...

that thoughts crossed my mind,

a reply to: IngyBall

The cold that has been seen in North America is not because of a broken area in the Gulf stream. What has happened is a similar situation that occurred last year, The Pacific Oscillation became very negative, thus causing blocking to occur in Alaska. The blocking keeps Alaska warm and opens a path way for cold to plunge into the U.S, The Artic Oscillation also went very negative, which caused a Greenland block. Basically two path ways for cold air were made to go straight into the U.S. The mega typhoon that came for Asia caused a very strong high pressure system ( polar vortex) to plunge south from Canada into the U.S causing very cold air and snow for some of the U.S. Now a rare phenomenon called the McFarland signature occurred during this, usually they only happen every 20 to 30 years, but another one occurred just last year in early December. There could also be more this year.

Yeah. That sounds like the kind of doom porn I like. I don't have the time to research all of that, but it kind of sounds bad.

Record rain in parts of Europe. A cooler and rainier than usual summer in South Africa. Record cold temperatures for November on the East Coast of the US.

Can we run for the hills now?!? Or do we have to wait for a real problem?



dex

a reply to: butcherguy

I don't know enough about wind to really make an informed opinion on the Jet Stream. I do know that it is one of the major heat circulation pathways on the planet and it's continuing flow is critical to the balance of the biosphere.

I hope this 'wind map' (?????) is just showing localized cold spots and not that the Jet Stream is shutting down.

a reply to: FyreByrd
It isn't a wind map, it's showing sea surface temperatures. It has nothing to do with the jet stream and it shows nothing to be alarmed about.

originally posted by: WeAre0ne

You could include NOOA's educational take on it link below, long or short term much the same as Michio Kaku is saying, except he is only there in the video to talk about the expected current weather..but he throws in a coming trend to boot anyway?
oceanservice.noaa.gov...
Make your own take on it in the reading, but this is one extract which might be significant since it is about modern scientific observations from the past,
"Other sudden shut downs of the Meridional Overturning Circulation observed in ice core and ocean sediment records are not thought to be due to sudden melt-water floods into the North Atlantic. These events may have happened simply because Earth's climate system is chaotic, or perhaps because some critical threshold was crossed when increases in precipitation, river run-off, and ice melt put enough fresh water into the ocean to shut down the Meridional Overturning Circulation" You see there you have a couple of choices. One non-specific, the other non specific, with a resulting event.
That's kind of an insurance disclaimer if you like, or double indeminity if you like...but just IMHO.
Then there is a need to consider that the Gulf of Mexico is a bit of a #hole, and has been for a long long time, never mind the BP effort, against you own er um, long term carbon footprint.

originally posted by: smurfy

all that oil from the deepwater fubar must have made its' way into the atlantic to absorb all the heat. perhaps this is bs, however this has surfaced in my mind umpteen times since the event occurred. que the oil hammers!
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flagged and starred you dude.


Are you seeing what no one else can see?

You are a very naughty boy! tread carefully.

Oil has less specific heat than water.

Also, compared to the volume of the Gulf stream, all the oil leaked is a drop in the bucket.

So, no.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: butcherguy


I hope this 'wind map' (?????) is just showing localized cold spots and not that the Jet Stream is shutting down.

Did you mean the Gulf stream? However the Jet Stream and the Gulf stream interact, the Jet Stream though is not likely to falter. Ask a a weatherman, he'll talk all day long about the Jetstream.

Its been colder than usual in our palm tree paradise... thats like a picture i saw a sign of welcome to sunny florida covered in frost... a reply to: DYepes

a reply to: DexterRiley

Sometimes it can be Doom Porn, Look at what happened in Dallas in December 2013 and Atlanta February 2014. Also the Christmas eve blizzard of 2009 that occurred in Oklahoma and Texas and then a monster snow storm dropping 1-2 ft of snow in those same areas. This setup can lead to record cold and winter storms for southern states, and it can be a real nightmare sometimes. In fact many analogs are predicting this winter to be like 2009-2010 and also the late 70s winter, 1976, 1977, and 1978.

a reply to: FyreByrd

We would immediately know if the jet stream broke down. There wouldn't anymore storm progressions,Storms would become stagnant. It would literally mess up the Earth's equilibrium Places that are cold would stay cold places that are warm would stay warm because the jet stream wouldn't be there to allow warm or cold air to infiltrate an area. If you want to talk about doom porn, the Jet Stream breaking down would definitely be one, but there isn't any evidence of that happening right now.

a reply to: IngyBall

If it's like 78 and 09, then we'll be getting a lot of snow. In 1978 school was out in my part of VA for over a month. The State General Assembly had to pass a bill to let the school systems write off some of the time we missed. There just wasn't enough Summer to make up all the days we missed. Even then, we had to go half-days on Saturdays for several weeks to make up time. I think it was 2009, 31 years later, that my daughter missed nearly a month of school because of all the snow we got then.

Now if we get one of those kinds of deep-snow Winters this year, it'll be par for the course for major weather incidents for me. What I've been noticing is that I'll experience a weather event that hasn't happened to me in 20 - 30 years. Then a couple of years later, it happens again. Decades between 1st and 2nd occurrences, then only a few years between the 2nd and 3rd times. In other words, these are unique extreme weather events that are occurring on a more frequent basis.

Then there's the other dimension of weather event strangeness. I've seen several different relatively memorable weather events in my lifetime. Derechos, Tornadoes, Big Floods, Deep Snows, Bitterly cold winters, Extremely dry summers, Insect plagues, Warm winters, Cold summers, etc. I can remember maybe one memorable event of each type happening in the first few decades of my life. Now the odd thing is that I have experienced at least one of each of those events just in the last decade alone. A lot more extremes happening a lot more often.


dex

On what basis to do you make these claims?
Please add some supporting evidence. Good luck with finding any.
a reply to: MALBOSIA

There are no freezing temperatures in Hawaii.

I don't know where you found that info.

Rain, yes. We're having our rainy season. But it has not snowed on the highest mountain, Mauna Kea, and the temperatures are not below 40 F.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: smurfy
Are you seeing what no one else can see?

You are a very naughty boy! tread carefully.

Oil has less specific heat than water.

Also, compared to the volume of the Gulf stream, all the oil leaked is a drop in the bucket.

So, no.

All I wrote are the last two lines as here, " Are you seeing what no one else can see? You are a very naughty boy! tread carefully. "

Fakedirt wrote the rest, but fakedirt is seeing a connection between the oil and a damaged Gulf Stream, that's a start, but wrong about oil cooing. Making the connection is not so easy, and I agree with you the oil is mostly, but not all, still in the Gulf and is unlikely to do any cooling directly. The volume comparisons have no bearing.

I thought average Americans was more than well prepared for winters of this magnitude given the very dedicated build up of excess fat over the last couple of decades?

originally posted by: Colbomoose
On what basis to do you make these claims?
Please add some supporting evidence. Good luck with finding any.
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Good luck finding evidence that the earth has froze and thawed many times? It has been a while since the 5th grade...

Does the global warming model include the suns cycles?

a reply to: DexterRiley

A lot of that has to do with the pattern of Earth's climate, during the 70s the Sun was less active which helped cause those cold winters, though not the only factor, but the same thing is happening now, the Sun is in one of the least active states ever. But, just a few years ago the sun was in a very active state, which helped lead to warmer temperatures. Everything in intertwined, warmer winters can lead to bigger Tornado seasons because of warm waters in the Gulf Of Mexico, but cold winters like last year can really shut down Tornado season in the plains because of cold water in the Gulf of Mexico. Rain and drought also have a cycle, Here in Texas a period from about 1980-2004 was a very wet period for the state, but now we are in a drought cycle that's supposed to last until 2022 or so.

It is said to be a old farmers tale when trees "mast" that means we're in for a brutal winter - which mine did heavily! My giant oak tree dropped more acorns than I have ever seen, there isn't one single inch of the yard not completely covered with acorns.
I had a gut a feeling about a bad winter after seeing this and now I believe the farmers tale! Maybe a female thing but after seeing the tree do that I thought "is this a sign of a bad winter or what?" I came in and searched online for the meaning of trees in mast years and found the Farmers tale. I also asked around to some friends who lived an hour away and found out their trees were doing the same and they also added they have never seen their trees mast before. I firmly believe in watching signs of nature, everything we need to know is right before us! Bundle up people!