Merry Christmas !! Must Read!

It seems that over the last few years it has become a crime to celebrate Christmas in the U.S.. Schools and the government scold the holiday. In the workplace you have to be politically correct by including Qwanza and Hanukah or by just wishing people "happy holidays". It's like the media makes you feel bad about being Christian. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like it has become a crime to celebrate the once glorious holiday? Also, EVERYONE HAVE A Merry Cristmas!!!!!!!!

[edit on 10-12-2004 by Growling Lion]

[edit on 11-12-2004 by John bull 1]

Originally posted by Growling Lion
It seems that over the last few years it has become a crime to celebrate Christmas in the U.S.. Schools and the government scold the holiday. In the workplace you have to be politically correct by including Qwanza and Hanukah or by just wishing people "happy holidays". It's like the media makes you feel bad about being Christian. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like it has become a crime to celebrate the once glorious holiday? Also, EVERYONE HAVE A Merry Cristmas!!!!!!!!

[edit on 10-12-2004 by Growling Lion]

hmmmm I got an email from a friend, that had the same sentiment.
perhaps one those little "movements" that pops up now and then will bring about even more change....
Man when we will realize that we're stuck here...we need to get over it and get along with each other...let us be the individual that we are yet respect that same individuality in others....gonna be a long time before we do...hope we are in for the long haul.....
But Tis the Season to be Jolly...so Merry Christmas to one and all....

Originally posted by Growling Lion
It seems that over the last few years it has become a crime to celebrate Christmas in the U.S..

Uhmm, no, it hasn't.

Schools and the government scold the holiday.

The government made it a holiday and maintains it as such.

In the workplace you have to be politically correct by including Qwanza and Hanukah or by just wishing people "happy holidays".

Uhm, maybe thats an issue at your job, butI've never met anyone who got in trouble for only saying 'merry christmas'.

It's like the media makes you feel bad about being Christian.

Ah, so its the media's fault now eh?

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like it has become a crime to celebrate the once glorious holiday?

Oh, I'm sure that there's a bunch of other people who will make up a complaint or two.

Also, EVERYONE HAVE A Merry Cristmas!!!!!!!!

Happy chanukah. Have a good kwanza too, but most of all
Merry Festivus!! Its a holiday for the rest of us!

Its a holiday for the rest of us!

And remember


NO TINSEL. ITS DISTRACTING!

And if you think christians have it bad, this poor guy wasn't even given off for festivus

Maybe next year all the christmas celebrating christians will be thrown in jail!
That'll sure learn em!



(Yeah i know, obsurd. just like this thread)

I agree with you man. Its like the atheists are trying to ruin every little bit of fun religious people have. Especiallially christianity. You never see anyone complaining about Chanakah or Romadon. I myself went to catholic school for 9 years and I loved it when they would put up christmas decorations. It just brightened up the whole school. It brought out the christmas cheer in everyone. Is it so bad to hang up some lights in a public school? I wouldnt care if I saw a menorah or that other kwanza candles thing If I were walking down the halls to my next class. And you know I thought freedom of religion was in the constitution. So abolishing religion is unconstitutional.

Just a little tidbit -- wasn't Easter and Christmas made to be celebrated on Pagan religious days to mask and eventually wipe out that religion? Clarification would help here, I could be wrong.

- Nazgarn

Yes, it would be very ironic if the athiests banned christmas, seeing it is a pagan event. I'm a Christian, and I am all for the banning of christmas. Better still, I think that the Christians should figure out when Christ was born and celebrate that day. Seperate the pagan celebrations from the christian ones. Mind you, do we have to have a special day to celebrate the birth of Christ? Cant we do that anytime?

Why cant we just celebrate new years and keep it a new year holiday!

My thoughs.

I always thought it was many of the Christians that want all other religions to be illegal...they have sure persecuted a lot of them...and still try do. Maybe it's the old, "what goes around, comes around" catching up with them.

Originally posted by Growling Lion
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like it has become a crime to celebrate the once glorious holiday?

It's not just you. Every time you turn around now there's millions of right wing Christians screaming persecution from their seats of power. And even here at least one or two threads a day about how the majority has no rights or freedom of speech. They like saying that. Alot.

Sometimes they're really in your face about it too. Like MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! MUST READ!!!

But really they don't have anything new or interesting to say at all. It's like they just want to remind you how persecuted they are 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. If they didn't run everything, I'd really feel sorry for them.

Enjoy your Federally approved religious holiday.

Originally posted by RANT


Enjoy your Federally approved religious holiday.

Yeah..I get Xmas off paid...I have to take Samhain off with no pay....

Happy Chritmas to you all.

Myself I have never celebrated Christmas as a religous event.

To me it has always been and always will be an excuse for all the family to get together, give gifts, eat wonderful food and drink and have a whole lot of FUN.

I get 10 days paid holiday for Christmas and I will enjoy every day of family fun.

Yes! Merry Marketing Scam to all!

Any how might you say is the best way to celebrate Christmas? by sitting back and enjoying some important bible verses that christians agree to!

Appalling Bible Verses

All in the name of love and happiness

I agree. It seems that anything to do with Christianity is systematically being removed from American culture. Look at the �The Pledge of Allegiance� and the recent controversy over the words �under God�. It�s ridiculous that some American atheists are complaining because they don�t want to say �under God�. Can�t they just skip those words rather than filing petty lawsuits? Makes me sick.


btw- Merry Christmas to everyone even the atheists.

Originally posted by Hurdy Gurdy
I agree. It seems that anything to do with Christianity is systematically being removed from American culture. Look at the �The Pledge of Allegiance� and the recent controversy over the words �under God�.

Just to point it out, but, the phrase 'under god' doesn't specifically refer to the christian god.

Can�t they just skip those words rather than filing petty lawsuits? Makes me sick.

And if it was 'under shiva' it'd be okay with you? I think that the point is tht the atheist in question felt that his daughter was being influenced by having a teacher, an authority figure and one paid thru public funds, funds collected from atheists too, was effectively endorsing religion over atheism. I think, personally, that it is a stupid argument, and if hearing a teacher say it is enoguht o make their kind 'religious', then what of it.

But surely, if it was 'under shiva' or 'under allah' or whatever, and the country was supposed to have seperation of church and state, then christians could be expected to occasionalyl say 'hey, this isn't fair'.

Besides, this whole 'christian persecution' thing is baloney. THe vast majority of people in this country are christians. Public state-places are not prevented from putting up christmas holiday decorations, and why should they be putting up manger scenes during hanukah or Ramadan or dipwali and what not? Or at least if they want to put up a manger scence then they should also recognize the other holidays. But this is hardly persecution.

Besides, this whole 'christian persecution' thing is baloney. THe vast majority of people in this country are christians. Public state-places are not prevented from putting up christmas holiday decorations, and why should they be putting up manger scenes during hanukah or Ramadan or dipwali and what not? Or at least if they want to put up a manger scence then they should also recognize the other holidays. But this is hardly persecution.

Guess I need to know what country you come from?? No christain persecution? It's baloney?? then explain the following stories and links for me, please......

Paper apologizes for 'Christmas tree' reference
web page

A story in Monday's paper referred to a tree that was lighted at Tuesday's Winterfest celebration as a "Christmas tree." In an effort to be inclusive, the city is actually referring to this tree as the "Community Tree."

Dickens classic too religious for school
Principal cancels dramatization of 'A Christmas Carol'

Posted: December 9, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com

A high school principal canceled a dramatic performance of Charles Dicken's classic "A Christmas Carol," partly because he feared it would raise questions about the place of religion in public schools.

Christmastime event is no-Christian zone
Posted: December 2, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
WorldNetDaily.com

In the latest skirmish over Christmas in America, a Christian group is not allowed to participate in Denver's annual Parade of Lights, because church members sought to sing yuletide hymns and proclaim a "Merry Christmas" message on their float.

However, the event, now in its 30th year, will include homosexual American Indians, Kung Fu artisans, belly dancers and, of course, Santa Clause.

Christmas card with 'Jesus' banned
Posted: February 10, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com

Kindergartners at a public school in Oregon were invited to bring cards to a Christmas party, but a teacher barred one student from distributing his holiday greeting because it mentioned Jesus Christ, prompting a lawsuit filed yesterday.

~snip~

Stuart J. Roth, senior counsel of the ACLJ, called the school district's barring of a Christmas card with a religious reference "absurd."

Teacher takes 'Christmas' out of carol
Posted: December 6, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com

A parent of an elementary school student is upset with a teacher who replaced "Christmas" with "winter" in a carol to be performed during an upcoming concert.

No Christian symbols at Christmas'
Posted: November 18, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com

Fearing they might offend someone, Red Cross stores in Britain have taken the Christian out of Christmas this year, banning any display of overtly religious decorations.

School bans saying 'Christmas'
Posted: December 13, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
WorldNetDaily.com

At a time when Americans of many faiths � and even no faith � gear up to celebrate Christmas this year, a first-grade teacher in Sacramento Co., Calif., says she's been ordered by her principal not to utter the word "Christmas" at school.

Christmas book banned from class
Posted: July 30, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Mandi Steele
WorldNetDaily.com

After months of negotiations with Northwest Elementary School failed, the American Center for Law and Justice, an international public-interest law firm, filed a lawsuit yesterday against the Leominster Public School District in Massachusetts. ACLJ contends Northwest told the Greskas their daughter could not share her Christmas book in class because it contained the story of Jesus Christ's birth, thus making it religious.

Forgive them, God, they know not what they do!!!





Sure hope to start seeing more like this!!!!!!

ACLU loses Christmas case
City hall can have religious displays on front lawn
Posted: November 16, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com

The Constitution allows a Rhode Island city to have private religious holiday displays on its front lawn, a federal judge ruled yesterday in a suit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union.

Originally posted by LadyV
Yeah..I get Xmas off paid...I have to take Samhain off with no pay....

Can you explain and swap those two days? If not I agree it's constitutionally Un-american and unconstitutional. The idea of this country was to have religious freedom to worship as we choose. Here's my example:

Religion in the workplace
Sherbert v. Verner, 374 U.S. 398 (1963) - Court rules that the violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment demands a strict scrutiny. Adell Sherbert, a Seventh-day Adventist, was fired from her job because she refused to work on her sabbath, Saturday. She was denied unemployment benefits from the state. The high court said that the State of South Carolina could only burden Sherbert's free exercise of her religion if it had a compelling interest in doing so. South Carolina could not meet the test. Sherbert received her unemployment benefits.

Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990) overruled Sherbert v. Verner' compelling interest test.

Does your work necessitate you being there on that day?

As far as persecution. I know I'm next so... Merry CHRISTmas everybody!

[edit on 15-12-2004 by saint4God]

saint4God..no..it's a 500 store corporation......I love my love job and it's a great company...it would be making a huge problem....I take Samhain off and I take Christmas and get paid for it....I've most certainly dealt with much harder issues concerning my faith.....thank you for the suggestion though

Originally posted by LadyV
....I've most certainly dealt with much harder issues concerning my faith.....thank you for the suggestion though

I'd be interested in hearing more about those struggles. I don't think there should be a double-standard regarding the Bill of Rights. Sure, just trying to help. It's a shame that exercising freedom causes a big problem...

To me it has always been and always will be an excuse for all the family to get together, give gifts, eat wonderful food and drink and have a whole lot of FUN.

Same here... I'm not even a Christian, but I love the other aspects of the holiday, and it's one of my favorites.

Personally, most places I've been have been pretty cool about simply allowing all to celebrate whichever holiday. For example, some cubes are decorated for X-Mas, some for Haunakhah (sp?), and some for Kwanza, whatever.... Our party isn't a "Christmas" party, but a "Holiday" party (though we still have Santa, and a Christmas tree up, hehe...)

Originally posted by Johnny Redburn
...Appalling Bible Verses...

The point of Jesus' birth was to resolve a lot of these issues quoted in your link. We don't have to be old testament anymore, there is a way to be absolutely forgiven for our ways now as prophesied. Sorry God doesn't treat his children with candy and fuzzy slippers all the time, but I ask you when your children do wrong, do you reward them?