New Area 51 alien autopsy image is ‘smoking gun’, researcher claims

The good thing about the images are they are Kodak slide film.
Which means they can be enlarged to a good size to get any detail out of them.

Also there seems to be more than 1 which would be a bonus.

Even if you had the original film, with emulsion numbers.... there is always some of that in cold storage somewhere on this Earth that you can get. Somewhere, someone has some, unexposed. So the part of matching it up with a camera that would have been used at that time is real easy. The rest is all movie special effects, elaborate sets, Digital to Film CGI.. etc... and we know how good that can be.

Bottom line, there will never be a way to authenticate anything that has to do with photography today. Everything that has to do with photographic evidence will always have a hoax factor, and there will never be closure based on photography submitted as proof.

An arm, head or foot? That might work..

originally posted by: CosmicRay
His story seems to be changing as well. The page you linked says "The bodies were not quite human but not quite unearthly either." Now he's describing them as insect-like.

Which is again problematic, as the story of the Roswell aliens has been homogenized through the years to ensure that the aliens are generally described as completely humanoid, just smaller than average humans. "Little people." No grays, no insects, no nothing creepy.

Get your stories straight, people!

The focus of the account is on the authenticity of the slides rather than the chain of evidence. Watch the card..

They seem to be busy establishing the respectability or the owners (pilots etc) and the authenticity of the age of the slides (Kodak says..). Neither of which mean anything if there's no chain linking the alleged photographer, the slides and the owners.

Deterioration is something that can't be avoided. If Kodak checked the age of the stock, did they also check for signs of ageing? Chemical analysis would tell if the slides were processed recently...or not. Onion skin documents or Renaissance paintings can be created today.

Another aspect would be the fact that Kodak have long been business partners with a well-known Company.

Let's say the images are 100% genuine historical evidence of autopsies on visitors? How could we ever be certain? The chemical analysis could show they were undoubtedly taken and developed in the late 40s. We couldn't be *sure* the critter in the picture was an *alien.* The (technical word) morphology and detail might be awesome to behold and we'd still have a niggling doubt that it could be a model by a great special effects team.

Every alien critter image since Len Stringfield got spammed in the '70s has been proven a hoax. Puppets, models and papier-mache heads. What would it take to be believable??

originally posted by: Kandinsky
Every alien critter image since Len Stringfield got spammed in the '70s has been proven a hoax. Puppets, models and papier-mache heads. What would it take to be believable??

Recognizable people in the images, maybe, like Eisenhower. That would help. But you're right. Unless they're is a clear-cut paper trail and additional hard evidence to back it up -- with some good old fashioned independent third-party verification (multiple sources), it's just another story. And with the Bushman thing still floating around here, we know how much stories are worth.

a reply to: Kandinsky

The mounts used for the slides would be the easiest to verify. Depending on where the slides were processed the mounts could be easily verified if authentic military or not.

originally posted by: Shana91aus

One of the most enduring mysteries of the past few decades could be about to be solved, as a researcher claims to have uncovered a clear photograph of an alien from Area 51 – on film which maker Kodak has dated as authentically being from 1947, the date of the supposed crash.

So Kodak has already said they are indeed from 1947, that sounds kind of promising, but why would he release this info and make us wait, if it is that ground breaking then why not just get it out there? if the photos are real and he knows that they are authentic then that info alone and the photo's will speak for itself.

I think he is doing due diligence. I'm sure he wants to be as certain as possible they are genuine before releasing them as being genuine. I'm certain that military intelligence still tries to co-opt UFO researchers with false leaks meant to destroy reputations. I also believe that if concern is raised about a possible leak of real information or evidence, they quickly hoax a similar bit of evidence that gets revealed as a hoax, in order to make people much more wary of the real evidence, if it does indeed get public release.

I hope he will release them in the coming months, even if he determines them a hoax, or if there is evidence supporting them as genuine, but doubts still exist.

I think it was smart of him to announce what he was working on. If he really has something, the government almost certainly knows he has it. Harder to just bump him off if people know he may have a smoking gun.

I'll be curious to see if any hoaxed alien pictures surface(d) in the second half of 2014 or in early 2015, prior to the release of these images, that show something that looks very similar. I'd see that as possible evidence of my long held hypothesis that the govt. actively gets ahead of potential real evidence leaks with similar looking hoaxes.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Kandinsky
Every alien critter image since Len Stringfield got spammed in the '70s has been proven a hoax. Puppets, models and papier-mache heads. What would it take to be believable??

Recognizable people in the images, maybe, like Eisenhower. That would help. But you're right. Unless they're is a clear-cut paper trail and additional hard evidence to back it up -- with some good old fashioned independent third-party verification (multiple sources), it's just another story. And with the Bushman thing still floating around here, we know how much stories are worth.

If the alien on these slides looks anything like the Bushman photos, that will really be evidence that the disinformation campaign deliberately poisons the well with similar looking hoaxes.

If these slides can be proven to have been taken in the 1940s, that will at least rule out a modern hoax. Is there any way to prove they weren't hoaxed in the 1940s? I don't know. I think in addition to trying to prove when they were taken, I'd want to also do research to rule out that they depict something that was produced for an old sci-fi film. Then, I guess it would come down to how much cost and effort would have been required to produce the hoax in the 1940s and what motivation would there be to hoax something and then sit on the hoax for 80 years?

Sadly, even if the age is verified, there is no evidence the creature was part of a film production and the estimated difficulty of hoaxing it in the 1940s would have been significant, it still won't prove anything for most people. It might be a significant data point for those who believe in visitation and are trying to sort through reports and alleged evidence to try to get a grasp on what is really going on, but skeptics will remain thoroughly unconvinced.

At this point, short of open, sustained contact on the part of aliens, we would have to produce an alien craft or body for open and honest analysis by multiple authorities that would confirm the alien nature of those things before we would have enough proof.

My interpretation of this new "Story" is that the photographs were alleged to have been taken at Lockheed?
But I could be wrong...Wright Patterson would be the most obvious choice I would think.

I got no clue tho.

Another interesting info about the Copenhagen sighting in the 1950s...with the "Disc" exploding in a shower of sparks as it touches the ground...according to the witness report, as quoted in a previous post.
Really?...
Are we seriously believing, Particularly Nowdays with our extra knowledge, that these beings travel here from many light years away, billions of miles,in 30-40 foot diameter craft, with no food, 2 seats etc, only to get to Earth and then explode in a shower of sparks?... Really?

The more I consider this, the more, to me anyway, I believe they are already on Earth, are another subspecies of Homo, (Edit: OR Saurans/Dinosaurs, OR insectoids OR even possible Plant like...either way Earth grown) or are time travellers From Earth, our past or future, Or they live on a massive space station or on the Moon or other planet in our SS.
OR the most remote, but not beyond the realms, they live in another dimension/parallel Universe alongside us and can flip from one to the other.

How many of these things have crashed? seems like dozens.....with concludes...they aint very smart or technically superior......even we have crashed on other planets .

But I do agree, the WW2 and the advent of the Atom bomb, brought them here, or at least brought more attention to humans on Earth.
I guess if you lived miles underground and the monkeys on the surface started to detonate atom bombs on your roof, you may want to investigate too.
As we rarely do Atomic bomb tests now, they may have lost a little interest in us.

What's the point of teasing about it?

Somebody here pointed out that this UFO investigator used to post here, maybe the admins can invite him to discuss the topic with the ATS community?

originally posted by: JackHill
What's the point of teasing about it?

Somebody here pointed out that this UFO investigator used to post here, maybe the admins can invite him to discuss the topic with the ATS community?

I predict that he'll mysteriously show up here when his book's release date is established. I predict the "alien" will never show up.

If the images were to be genuine, it might spur eye witnesses to come forward to provide context and background for what the images show.

Of course, apparently there are already many dozens of former defense and military people willing to come forward and share insider information under oath, but no one wants to actually take advantage of it or accept such testimony as a body of evidence, so even that may not matter.

The more evidence that can be provided to support the veracity of the images, the more useful they will be for those trying to understand a phenomena they know, believe, hope is going on. However, yes, sadly, absent the actual bodies, it won't prove anything to skeptical minds or do much to threaten the coverup that apparently has been underway for quite some time.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
The images in the article were just there to take up space. The "real" image isn't this one, is it? The description is of a single alien in a container partially dissected. This doesn't appear to be it:

Wouldn't those metalized blue tarps be anachronistic?

a reply to: draknoir2

That image is from the set of the X-files.

originally posted by: CosmicRay
a reply to: draknoir2

That image is from the set of the X-files.

You've just triggered the next ufology conspiracy: they used real alien bodies on X-files.

a reply to: UKWO1Phot

The film stock may be from 1947, but what about the image itself …?

a reply to: Tangerine




Classic!

If I had a good alien autopsy photo or film (fake or real) and I wanted to make a lot of money I'd announce it to the world (without showing anyone the photo), announce that Kodak have allegedly said it's genuine / right year / whatever, and then once you have people salivating to see it tell them they can't see it until next year.

Keep drip feeding bits and bats to build up the tension, then next year make it available on the inside of a book you have to buy to see it.

Otherwise if I wasn't bothered about the money I'd just release it.

So why is he delaying it?

It would be alot easier to wait and see if this guy has real images of these aliens.Just be patient and see what comes of this.It is my belief the grey aliens are real,simply because way to many credible people have had the same exact abduction experience and I saw incredible UFO's myself back in the early 1990's.No way they was helicopters or planes or drones.

I have the smoking gun of all evidence combined, it's game changer, but...


Buy my book next year and see for yourself, the book will be available on Blah Blah Blah for $12.99, 'never seen before' material...

I just fell asleep whilst typing that...

Wake me up once a torrent of his book is out, I won't pay unless I get to see previews first, this year!