Smoking Conspiracy???

I read the thread about smoking making you dumb and got to thinking. I do believe that I have identified a conspiracy!

'Alcoholic drinks manufacturers are funding anti smoking campaigns!'

Before I start my ramblings I just want to make it clear that I am not a smoker, nor have I ever smoked. It just strikes me that smokers are targeted more and more with various reasons why they should stop. On the otherhand drinkers are left in peace to continue chucking the stuff down their necks. At this point I will admit to being a drinker!

Here are some observations:

1/ I have never seen a person smoke 5 Silk Cut in a row, become aggresive and then try to smash the half full cigarette packet into a strangers face for looking at them in a funny way.

2/ Smokers tend not to binge smoke in the afternoon. Then on the way home loose control of their car and wipe out 5 old aged pensioners waiting at a bus stop.

3/ Though some are boring to begin with, I have never had to endure the same story told to me by a smoker at a party time after time, because he/she has had "to much to smoke".

4/ Smokers tend not to throw up all over the street every Friday and Saturday nights.

5/ Smokers tend not to blame their actions on "having smoked too much".

6/ Smokers don't appear to have to stagger down the road 'after a few fags' singing and swearing at the top of their voices at 2.00am in a residential area.

7/ They don't smoke so much that they fall asleep and p**s their pants in a train/bus/cab.

I could go on but I guess you get the picture.

So when are we going to see a concerted campaign against drinkers???? OR are the drinks companies trying to ban smoking so that people drink more???

[edit on 20/10/2004 by BillyTheCat]

Personally I don�t think that conspiracy theory is true. Smoking has no advantages at all just disadvantages and here in the UK alcohol is actually being targeted right now because of the rise of binge drinking.

While I don't think the conspiracy, if any, is the result of the alcohol manufacturer's machinations.

But, I have often wondered why alcohol doesn't get the same bad rap as tobacco.
Alcohol can stew your brain and liver, retard a child, kill innocent people, kill the drinker. The list goes on and on.
I can only speculate that small amounts of alcohol can be pleasant, even beneficial. Many people who drink never have issues and are not a danger to themselves and others.
As a rule, I don't think the same can be said for tobacco. But wait, an occasional cigar or pipe is certainly not a health risk, any more so than breathing the air in most cities.

Ed for spelling

[edit on 12-12-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]

well, i being a smoker, i think drinking and smoking go hand in hand. but the health risks are what people are concerned about for smoking. for drinking on the otherhand, used moderatly beer can actually be good for you. but smoking is never good for you. i say let them run anti-smoking ads. it personally doesnt make me want to quit but it is good for raising the awareness of how dangerous and stupid it is. (see how i call myself stupid) i do however think drinking is far more dangerous in the short term sense, because of the humerous but true list that billythecat came up with.
so i guess all in all im pretty split on the issue.
good post though.

The reason i think that drink gets left alone is because it helps keep the pesants (general population) down. If we all stopped drinking we might start realising that things are going on around us and as a result become more politically motivated giving the government a hard time over stuff. Rubbish tv has the same effect ( The opiate of the masses)

I still think that it is part of an effort to divert the public's attention away from the fact that the pollution, the crap they put in our food, water, and air, and well, the crap that many of us are exposed to at the workplace is toxic and making us sick. When you see the person walking out of a factory, coughing their lungs out, the first thing you seem to think is that the person really needs to quite smoking, the idea that hey, the crap he was using at work might be destroying his lungs doesn't seem to even enter the picture. Or the kids that asthma, well, of course it's because of the parents smoke, couldn't have anything to do with the 40 trucks that pass by their house everyday, or the clorinated swimming pool in their backyard....ect.
In the long run, it will be much easier for industries and businesses to avoid any responsiblity they might have in the damage their products, pollution, ect has caused.

A simple question, if smoking around others=murder, does driving your car =genocide or possibly mass extinction?
Considering that america is one of the major polluters in the world, the antismokers reallly should tone done their propaganda, it's not that far of a stretch to take their accusations against smokers and divert it to driving your car, pouring tons of pollution into the air, ect. ect.

Oh, and by the way, the arsenic in the cigarette is there because it was used in the pesticides years ago, the soil is contaminated with it, and so is alot of the food that is grown.......so if it is bad for you while in the cigarette, why isn't it when it is in the food that you eat...

another little tidbit of info...heard it on the news the other night...
around 50% of drunk drivers who kill people have previous dwi offenses. Instead of banning smoking from the bars....they should have just banned the bars!

Smokers are bad because non-smokers don't like the second hand smoke...thats about it, imho.
Of course they'll trot out all the terrible health risks and whatnot to bolster the legislation they're passing...especially here in Canada with our over-rated health care system and all the money it costs to try to keep these folks alive after 25 years of a pack a day. And that's all ok with me...but what about all the junk food out there?

Maybe next will be the chocolate bars because of the dental costs, fast food joints because of the cholesteral and obesity...Twinkies are gonna be history, pal...it's just not good for you.
And while they're at it, perhaps get your cars pulled out of the driveways because of the noxious fumes and global warming. It definately isn't the deisel 18 wheelers doing it...it the family minivan that's causing that.

They'll chip away at our freedoms until there's no point in coming out at all...we'll just live in little bubbles and get fed intravenously.

Geez...why get born at all, you just wind up dying of something anyway and that'll cost money and take up valuable plots in graveyards.

At least we will still be able to get plastered while we're kicking...eh?

Ah...now I feel better...great to rant, ain't it?

i Smoke 1-2 cigs a day, and i rarly drink, conspiricy no. Do i think that there should me more pissed off people about alchoal, yes. But let us not kid ourselves, smoking si not a good thing, it just reveals stress, and it can be argured that drinking does too, but how do you drive hame after each?

Originally posted by TKainZero
i Smoke 1-2 cigs a day, ... But let us not kid ourselves, smoking si not a good thing, it just reveals stress,

I think if you smoked more you would not say this.

As a pack a day smoker, I agree that smoking reduces stress. However, going 3 hours without a cig creates stress.

See what I'm saying? It's vicious cycle - needing a cigarette is stressful, so when you have one, you think cigs ease stress, when really, needing a cig was causing the stress in the first place.

Originally posted by BillyTheCat
I read the thread about smoking making you dumb and got to thinking. I do believe that I have identified a conspiracy!

'Alcoholic drinks manufacturers are funding anti smoking campaigns!'

Before I start my ramblings I just want to make it clear that I am not a smoker, nor have I ever smoked. It just strikes me that smokers are targeted more and more with various reasons why they should stop. On the otherhand drinkers are left in peace to continue chucking the stuff down their necks. At this point I will admit to being a drinker!

Here are some observations:

1/ I have never seen a person smoke 5 Silk Cut in a row, become aggresive and then try to smash the half full cigarette packet into a strangers face for looking at them in a funny way.

2/ Smokers tend not to binge smoke in the afternoon. Then on the way home loose control of their car and wipe out 5 old aged pensioners waiting at a bus stop.

3/ Though some are boring to begin with, I have never had to endure the same story told to me by a smoker at a party time after time, because he/she has had "to much to smoke".

4/ Smokers tend not to throw up all over the street every Friday and Saturday nights.

5/ Smokers tend not to blame their actions on "having smoked too much".

6/ Smokers don't appear to have to stagger down the road 'after a few fags' singing and swearing at the top of their voices at 2.00am in a residential area.

7/ They don't smoke so much that they fall asleep and p**s their pants in a train/bus/cab.

I could go on but I guess you get the picture.

So when are we going to see a concerted campaign against drinkers???? OR are the drinks companies trying to ban smoking so that people drink more??


I think this has got to go down as one of the craziest post ever (besides eScrews webpage)
I think you are a marijana smoker my friend - please read your post when you are sober

Stoned or not, I spent alot of time in the bars when I was little. My mom was a bartender and well, sometimes she had to bring me to work....

His description seems to be a good picture of what I remember about it.....
you can add to that.....

old stinky drunks ranting on about how you've grown, or how "pretty" you were becomming (obviously very, very drunk), ect...usually taking the time out from their rambling long enough to kiss your cheek, or forehead or other crappy gestures their drunken minds seem to come up with. Talk about bad breath!!

sudden eruptions of violence usuallly occuring with very little warning.

lots of yelling, swearing, ect.

and Falling.....

ect. ect. ect......
I still think that the effects a crowd of drunks could have on SOME children is far worse than anything caused by cigarettes. And, well, my husband can smoke in my house with no problem, but I won't live with a drunk.

[edit on 17-12-2004 by dawnstar]

As avert as I am to finding a conspiracy in everything, I do tend to agree with you. It also strikes me as odd that the lesser evil of smoking (Compared to other evils) are so targeted. It is a joke in my country that if you want to commit a murder, to do so with a cigarette in your hand. Chances are that the punishment for smoking will be worse than the one for murder!

But jokes aside. It is indeed very observable that the common pleasures of life is made out to be evil beyond the reality of the matter. However, I have not thought this through in much detail and will follow this thread for other opinions. In the mean time I enjoy puffing away at my cigar. There is nothing like it when the mood is right!

In New York State, the fine is cheaper if I go and smoke a joint in a resturant than it is a cigarette. It's that crazy. And, well, is a little balance too much to ask?

I suddenly have this urge to move to New York state

The earlier posts reffering to people falling down has got to do with those people ''drinking'' please remember that that post is called Smoking ConspiracySmoking Conspiracy

As I smoke and have 4 years - never once have I had this urge to get violent, fall down or throw abuse or even piss in my pants,

So please posters when you do your ''Research'' do it properly

Personally, I don't care if you smoke so long as you don't do it around me or my 3-year-old.

You have a right to breathe in smoke along with all that junk that's in a cigarette. I have a right to not breathe it in, and to protect my son from breathing it in.

When I was pregnant with my 3-year-old, the smell alone of cigarette smoke was enough to exacerbate my morning sickness. I was working at the time, and I was relieving someone for break (I worked in a manufacturing plant). The guy came back REEKING of second-hand smoke, and as any woman who's been pregnant knows, your sense of smell sharpens during pregnancy, and I RAN to the bathroom and threw up!

Then, further along in my pregnancy, around the 7-month mark, I was at the clinic for a 3-hour glucose test. I was sitting on the bench outside while waiting for the next blood draw, and this woman comes along, sits on the other end of the bench, and proceeds to light up. I just about went off on her and went back inside.

Bottom line--I don't care if you smoke, just please, exercise a little courtesy!

the reality is, smoking has declined a little, but tobacco companies are still making a large profit, by raising the price of cigarettes. Some of the price increase is due to taxes, i know. But since they buy less of a supply of tobacco,---- large supply--smaller demand,, they pay less. Thus the profit margin is basically the same. They win, the govt. wins from tax windfall-- and the loser is you.