Meet Ben Carson: First Republican to Throw His Hat in 2016 Ring

a reply to: Metallicus

Thank you, thank you.

a reply to: Kali74

I don't see it. You seem completely uneducated and biased based on that comment. I am an independent and could see myself and many others like me voting for him.

P.S. -- I was a liberal all through my 20's, so if anything I am more biased towards liking democrats.

Dr. Ben Carson ... because we all know the best neurosurgeons leave their practice to become paid political hacks.

The cost of malpractice insurance must have gotten too high, even for his pocketbook. Oh wait, that's probably a cheap shot, he is, after all a "celebrated surgeon" at least in all his press releases ... That IS a cheap shot; beg pardon.

An example of Carson's "wisdom" and "courage":

"Well, my thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It's a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality. It doesn't matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition."

... and then ...

The co-director of Johns Hopkins University's sexuality studies program is speaking out against his colleague Dr. Ben Carson's recent comments comparing supporters of marriage equality to members of NAMBLA and practitioners of bestiality.
"I don't think most people at Hopkins think what he says on this subject matters," Professor Todd Shepard, co-director of the university's Program for the Study of Women, Gender, and Sexuality, said in a statement to Media Matters. "They make him look nasty, petty, and ill-informed. It doesn't tell us anything about his amazing abilities as a surgeon. It does remind us, however, that those abilities do not mean we should listen to what he says in any other domain."

... and then, Dr. Carson proves he can ride the unicycle the other direction as well:

“As you know, I have been in the national news quite a bit recently and my 36 year association with Johns Hopkins has unfortunately dragged our institution into the spotlight as well. I am sorry for any embarrassment this has caused,” wrote Carson, who is the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. “But what really saddens me is that my poorly chosen words caused pain for some members of our community and for that I offer a most sincere and heartfelt apology. Hurting others is diametrically opposed to who I am and what I believe.” […]
“There are many lessons to be learned when venturing into the political world and this is one I will not forget. Although I do believe marriage is between a man and a woman, there are much less offensive ways to make that point. I hope all will look at a lifetime of service over some poorly chosen words,” he said

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Yeah, he just happened to mention child molestation and bestiality in the same breath as marriage equality.

Just a coincidence, a slip of the tongue.

He's already proven himself to be a coward in the face of a challenge to his vaunted "convictions" and a willing liar for political expediency ... and this is just one episode.

Appealing exclusively to the Fox News crowd does NOT get you elected President of the United States.

I am sorry, I have been corrected:

From the Washington Post

He did retire from surgery last year, but his retirement plans changed.

“Sometimes I realize there are forces greater than me,” he says. “I am an instrument that’s being used to help restore this country.”

So apparently, Dr. Carson is going to be used by ... God? ... to "help restore this country."

God must be confused; I was sure I heard that Ted Cruz had been appointed to that role.

I dont like him he seems like a typical wishy washy RINO.

I want to see either a full breed libertarian or a full bred socialist. Though rather a libertarian.

Wishy washy "I cant decide what Im doing or where Im going policy" is what's bringing the US down.

It needs to pick a firm direction and stick with it.

originally posted by: buster2010
The politically correct crowd will rip him to shreds. The way he mouths off about gays and how it's a Marxist plot to "gay up" America he is just asking for trouble.

Meh ... the politically correct crowd is just loud. There aren't 'really' that many of them.

OBTW, that is part of the Marxist Agenda (if memory serves).

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: buster2010

Based on his gun and healthcare views, I would say he looks just like Obama.

"Look, we got us one of those O'Bama's too.", said the GOP.

with Obama's healthcare you have to pay for your insurance not the insurance companies paying for you. Also Obama received an F from the Brady foundation for gun violence which means he is for guns and not restricting them. The gun law people whine about when it comes to Obama was originally passed after Reagan got shot Obama has passed no new laws restricting guns.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: buster2010
The politically correct crowd will rip him to shreds. The way he mouths off about gays and how it's a Marxist plot to "gay up" America he is just asking for trouble.

Meh ... the politically correct crowd is just loud. There aren't 'really' that many of them.

OBTW, that is part of the Marxist Agenda (if memory serves).

Unless all homosexuals are communist then you are just as clueless as Carson.

a reply to: Metallicus

You sir, win the thread!

@OP: I'm reserving judgment on this guy at the moment. Though if the claim said earlier in the thread that he doesn't support legal marijuana is true, then he definitely isn't getting my vote. I'm already concerned about his stance on gay marriage and guns. Though not liking the ACA does help him out in my book.

a reply to: buster2010

What was the "Marxist Agenda" again?

I keep hearing about it, but never see any valid evidence for it.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: buster2010

Based on his gun and healthcare views, I would say he looks just like Obama.

"Look, we got us one of those O'Bama's too.", said the GOP.

with Obama's healthcare you have to pay for your insurance not the insurance companies paying for you. Also Obama received an F from the Brady foundation for gun violence which means he is for guns and not restricting them. The gun law people whine about when it comes to Obama was originally passed after Reagan got shot Obama has passed no new laws restricting guns.

Oh absolutely, he's a real friend to gun owners. I mean, lets just look at a few examples:

He fully supported this.

And endorsed this.

And said this

Its hard to imagine why they don't just love the guy, isn't it?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Metallicus

You sir, win the thread!

@OP: I'm reserving judgment on this guy at the moment. Though if the claim said earlier in the thread that he doesn't support legal marijuana is true, then he definitely isn't getting my vote. I'm already concerned about his stance on gay marriage and guns. Though not liking the ACA does help him out in my book.

I completely agree. That would be a deal breaker for me.

Conservative SHOULD mean "leave me the hell alone and "conserve " your own values". Don't push your ignorance on me.

I do like his "tone".

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: buster2010

What was the "Marxist Agenda" again?

I keep hearing about it, but never see any valid evidence for it.

They keep it well concealed.

Except when it becomes obvious.

I don't think anyone has a problem with understanding why a certain swath of our society doesn't "love" President Obama.

But if it stems from his stance on gun rights and/or control, I think only the most extreme should really have a problem with his actual position (as opposed to the "Obama's a comin' to take away all our guns, boys" faction).

Summary of President Obama's Gun Legislation

But Dr. Carson? It seems his position is constantly "evolving" ... usually depending on whether he's on Fox or not:

Ben Carson said he changed his mind and was against gun registration because "sinister internal forces" could surface in that scenario. He "used to think they needed to be registered, but if you register them they just come and find you and take your guns." He said, "I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights; however, I do think we have to be intelligent" and address situations where people with AK-47s are mowing people down. "We need to discuss, 'Is there something we can do?' We have to keep in mind that law-abiding American citizens absolutely should have gun rights.

Source - On the Issues

a reply to: xuenchen

What an amazingly vague and empty answer, as always, Xuenchen!

Has Dr. Carson ever gone into detail on what he considers the "Marxist Agenda" ... or does he, like most Republicans, use the term as a code phrase for "Democrats."

LOL.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The most obvious problem with Obama's gun control position is the push for an AWB. I think some on the left don't understand something: AR-pattern rifles are literally the best selling rifle on the market. This isn't the same environment as 1994. These types of firearms have gone mainstream among gun owners. Its not just the fringe anymore. Additionally, the >10 round magazine bans in it directly impact a large part of the handgun market and a huge percentage of gun owners.

There are other problems, but those are probably the two most visible ones.

As for Ben Carson, I agree. I like the guy, but his inconsistency on the issue, and therefore, unreliability, on the issue is a big reason why I doubt I could ever vote for him.

Unfortunately, only career politicians who have learned to play the game well will stand a chance of nomination.
Carson will go the way of Perot, unless he is willing to sell his soul for profit.

There is no way ,short of a mass uprising, to remove the greed and corruption that rules our land....and then we would be at the mercy of our own stupidity in choosing replacements.

The root of the problem isn't corrupt politicians; it's allowing them to be bought by banks and corporations. It's all the sneaky little 'pork barrel' add-ons attached to every bill.

If there is a solution to the problems we're facing in our country, I can't see it.

'One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel'. We put that rotten apple in the barrel decades ago, and now the whole barrel stinks.

What can I say YEAH

I have had a

Run Ben Run

bumper sticker on my car

for over a month now

and another grandma asked me where I got it

so she can get one!

Right now I don't give a rip on his social policies, if they are conservative enough or not. I'm basically a Libertarian.

I want someone who can get in and repair the economy
I want someone who is strong, has proved his intelligence through living his life and a good character.

This country got into the mess it is in because people have been too busy sticking their noses into other people's lives, with a "I know better than you how to run your life". And not enough time by a long shot on the things that really matter and should matter to the federal government.

Like the overall economy, giving states BACK the rights stolen from them by the federal government, getting the federal government out of social issues that tell people what to do in their personal lives, re-establishing good foreign relations, allowing interstate commerce on everything (including insurance).

Like staying out of other countries civil wars and civil matters and minding our own business when it comes to the civil affairs of other countries. The US government does NOT know what is best for everyone and recognizing that is the first order of business.

Second order of business, restore the constitution and insist on following the law regardless of if you are President or not.

I want a real person, not an ideologue who is wedded to a certain ideology, but a person who can think for himself and have seemingly contradictory opinions when the questions are slightly different or come at an issue from another direction, rather than spouting and ideology line.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

What an amazingly vague and empty answer, as always, Xuenchen!

Has Dr. Carson ever gone into detail on what he considers the "Marxist Agenda" ... or does he, like most Republicans, use the term as a code phrase for "Democrats."

LOL.

Does it matter?

We all get it. You won't vote for him. You don't like him. You hate him. But the more the left hates this guy, the more I like him simply because that ideology appears to be afraid of him. For that reason alone, I'd volunteer to work on his campaign.

And as for inconsistancies, he's human, doesn't know how to talk in sound bites. Instead, he has character, ethics, values.

Something that is missing in all current politicians.

*meh*

You gave your opinion on the subject, I gave mine.

Pick up your trophy.

a reply to: beezzer

Beezzer, just because I don't have the worshipful attitude toward Dr. Carson that you have, doesn't mean I "hate him" or really, that I don't "like" him.

Overreact much? Jeez. Do you feel like politics should be a popularity contest then, rather than looking at where candidates stand (or vacillate) on the issues?

I have only brought up information directly from the man's mouth, or from direct interviews.

I'm glad you're grown clear on your "anti-left" obsession. The rather wishy-washy "I'll criticize anyone I think is wrong" stance rings hollow when it's overwhelmingly one "side" that is always wrong in your book.

Right, Carson is the ONLY politician with character, ethics and values, yet, he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to stand up for his convictions that marriage equality is equivalent to bestiality? That gun rights are fine so long no one is "getting mowed down in the streets?"

Lordy, even I, leftist-communist-progressive that I am, don't use such extreme comparisons.

We're all giving our opinions on the subject, Beezzer.

Sorry you can't deal with any but your own. (Not.)