Meet Ben Carson: First Republican to Throw His Hat in 2016 Ring

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Not posed to me but... if those are the choices, I'll use my ballot to protest and vote for Mickey Mouse.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: undo

Outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortion, it stops safe, medical abortion... leaving girls and women to 'back alley abortion'. Outlawing abortion does not save the unborn but potentially kills the girl/woman adamant that she will not have a child. Personally, I would never abort but I have no right to force my belief about abortion on anyone else.

in this case, i think they are more afraid of what god might do to them ( as it sounds like the equivalent of throwing babies into the fires of molloch), than they are about the safety of 50% of the reproductive females. like i said, the topic is difficult at best. there are tons of reasons on both sides of the issue, for and against. as a female, your most genetically strong child, is typically your first born. that means a whole lot of really good genetic material is being destroyed. i'm thinking the resolution for that problem is just to teach our daughters to respect themselves more than that, and wait till they get married and are ready to have children.

originally posted by: Aazadan
Here's another thought I had. We always talk about the case of rape as a throw in concession. So here's a question for the anti abortion crowd: Why is the life of a child conceived through rape worth less than the life of a child brought about by two loving parents? Life is life is it not? Why will you defend one but not the other?

it isn't worth less. it's the same value. however, forcing a woman to carry to term an object that was placed in her, against her will, is a personal decision process. and that baby is also a constant reminder of the abuse that was done to her. men who rape women have no idea how much damage they are actually doing.

what perplexes is me are people who agree with a woman's right to abort her baby, but also agree with the government's right to forcibly abort her baby or to even force her onto contraceptives or even forcibly put an iud in her like they do in china. say what? it's like...yes you are the ruler of your body, until the gov says otherwise. not hardly, pal. my body doesn't look anything like yours, we ain't the same people. you stay outta there, and i won't pray you become a bible thumping street preacher.

Ben Carson looks like a great conservative on the surface, but as someone that pays attention to how people talk and present themselves......I see that he is not all that different than the rest of the GOP wanabees.

He uses the same rhetoric, propaganda keywords, etc.

Don't fall for it people. This man is not presenting anything new. He's fooling you in to thinking he represents a change to the status quo, but he is not.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

can you clarify what your political position is? not that it matters, particularly if you are right, but you might be seeing more negativity where perhaps there isn't as much as you think, since that seems to be our predilection once we pick a "side."

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: sheepslayer247

can you clarify what your political position is? not that it matters, particularly if you are right, but you might be seeing more negativity where perhaps there isn't as much as you think, since that seems to be our predilection once we pick a "side."

My political position is quite difficult to explain, but I tend to align more easily with a Libertarian ideology mixed with social responsibility. For the record, I am still a registered Republican, but have been too lazy to change that.

Anyway, my issue with Carson is that he is not speaking any differently than any other high-profile Republican. He bashes the "welfare state", yet he admits that he would not be where he is today if it weren't for the food stamps his mother received that helped them get by. He also compared Obamacare to slavery and quoted Lenin...playing the race and socialist card in one pop.

I understand that the Republicans are desperate for something new. We all are. But if the rhetoric and speech itself does not change, how can we expect their actions to be any different?

From what I have read and heard, Carson is popular because he is not a seasoned politician, is quite intelligent and he's black. For a party that has an issue with being labeled anti-anything other than white, that alone is quite appealing.

If every new human life begins at conception, and half of those lives are terminated by natural processes, i.e. for the superstitious or religious, "God's Will" ... then those lives are still terminated, yes?

Seeing the double standard here is not difficult.

Dr. Carson supports that double standard, perhaps a triple one, depending on how you look at it, because abortion is okay for him in cases of rape, incest or maternal health.

... because suddenly, you aren't "murdering the pre-born" in those cases.

Women's bodies; women's' choice. There is no other way to handle the question equitably before the law.

a reply to: buster2010

He's just a sidebar, Ben Carson is an idiot, he can have 20 degrees as far as I am concerned, doc yes, president or leader of anything no, he can't even say he was a community organizer he has no Axelrod...book smarts and no common sense is really more of what we need!!! NOT..so what is he capable of doing really ? except performing surgeries.. he will work to take votes away from someone, so watch to see who will fund him, this is the function of a Ben Carson, spoiler.

a reply to: phinubian

I know you're not addressing me, but, the truth is the truth and I stand for it.

Dr. Ben Carson is absolutely NOT an idiot by any measure. He was a world-class NEUROSURGEON.

a reply to: phinubian

mrmm, i think he organized a community (probably not the right use of words) for getting black youth involved in excellence in the sciences and so forth. i would have to read up on it again. been awhile since i read it

a reply to: sheepslayer247

You must drive the pollsters crazy !!

Love it.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

You sound like me. I was a 40+ year Republican. What we have today is not Republican.

The Christian Right Killed the Republican Party

www.huffingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: sheepslayer247

You must drive the pollsters crazy !!

Love it.

Yes, because I usually hang up on them. I don't waste my time. The last time I actually attempted to take a poll over the phone, my answers ticked them of because I never answered 'yes' or 'no'. I usually answered 'well, it depends on the context of the situation'. They don't like that.

a reply to: Annee

Yes, the Republicans are not republican anymore and they are not conservative either. Hell, even the Democrats are not the same. They are leaning too far right of center.....wannabee Republicans.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: sheepslayer247

You sound like me. I was a 40+ year Republican. What we have today is not Republican.

The Christian Right Killed the Republican Party

www.huffingtonpost.com...

No what we have today is not AMERICAN.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247

Yes, the Republicans are not republican anymore and they are not conservative either. Hell, even the Democrats are not the same. They are leaning too far right of center.....wannabee Republicans.

I know most probably think I'm Liberal because of my stand on Marriage Equality and Right of Choice. I personally don't see what Liberal has to do with either of those. I also don't see what being Conservative has to do with those either.

So, why is it so politically divisive in a secular government?

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My 13 year old granddaughter did something and tried to claim Peer Pressure.

To which I informed her the correct terminology is : "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY".

Yes, there is Peer Pressure, but don't ever come to me again using it as an excuse for wrong choices.

Sound Liberal to you?

a reply to: sheepslayer247

Anyway, my issue with Carson is that he is not speaking any differently than any other high-profile Republican. He bashes the "welfare state", yet he admits that he would not be where he is today if it weren't for the food stamps his mother received that helped them get by. He also compared Obamacare to slavery and quoted Lenin...playing the race and socialist card in one pop.

Star Parker also had been dependent on welfare, but has since been able to get off welfare ad raise herself to a good paying job and self-sufficiency, and as result she believes in free market capitalism. Nothing wrong with that is there? As if she stayed on welfare she wouldn't be well off now. Some people just recognize that a full socialist welfare state is not the answer and does not promote prosperity.
But in my view, please feel free to officially switch parties.

a reply to: Gryphon66

There is a difference between a spontaneous miscarriage and a deliberate d&c surgical removal of a perfectly viable live fetus just because it is an inconvenience to one's lifestyle.

a reply to: Annee

So, why is it so politically divisive in a secular government?

Well, that's because we are in a period where we are experiencing the "growing pains" of a government that is evolving from a so-called "Christian-nation", even though that's not how it was designed, to a truly secular government.

This nation has been dominated since it's inception by the white Christian male. That is quickly changing as we recognize that all men, and woman, of all colors and faiths, are created equal and our government provides them with certain inalienable rights>

There are those that push against it for religious, political and racial reasons. It causes a lot of stress within our discussions and process', but eventually it will no longer be an issue as we continue to evolve.

As far as personal responsibility. That is not directly tied to a particular political stance or ideology. Of course, some partisans have tried to hijack the term and it's meaning to say that their ideology has a monopoly on it and only from that can true personal responsibility reside.

*sigh*

That's propaganda. It's obviously not true and we all, regardless of political leaning, believe in a certain level of personal responsibility. But there are those that mistake compassion for a lack of personal responsibility.

I've had a long day, am tired, and I hope that makes sense.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: sheepslayer247

Anyway, my issue with Carson is that he is not speaking any differently than any other high-profile Republican. He bashes the "welfare state", yet he admits that he would not be where he is today if it weren't for the food stamps his mother received that helped them get by. He also compared Obamacare to slavery and quoted Lenin...playing the race and socialist card in one pop.

Star Parker also had been dependent on welfare, but has since been able to get off welfare ad raise herself to a good paying job and self-sufficiency, and as result she believes in free market capitalism. Nothing wrong with that is there? As if she stayed on welfare she wouldn't be well off now. Some people just recognize that a full socialist welfare state is not the answer and does not promote prosperity.
But in my view, please feel free to officially switch parties.

Do you see what you're missing here? If it weren't for the initial assistance for either person, they may not be where they are today. That welfare helped feed Star while she got on her feet and pushed forward. Is there any value in that? Where would she be if there was not something to fall back on when she fell flat on her face? And we all fall from time to time. Do we not?

I don't think anyone would advocate for a full-on socialist welfare state, but it does have it's place in a moral society that not only values the fruits of ones labor, but the value of the life and well-being as well.

But in my view, please feel free to officially switch parties.

Will do. Thanks for the permission. I will sleep well tonight knowing you're permission has been granted. But if you think I;m going Democrat......think again.