Boston Globe Writes About Secret Government: "Vote All You Want. The Secret Government Won't Chang

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a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

This is an issue that me and many here had tried to bring to the light with people really not given a crap about it because their faith in the government and political system clouds their mind.

You want to know who the secret government is? is in Wall Street and the big names hidden behind the Federal Reserve, see they all one and the same, they are not just Americans but their family crest and background is very much with deep roots in the old world.

Common, you know who I am talking about, is plenty of papers, history and research on this two big ones here in ATS archives.

It is a topic that comes out more than once when the government seems to forget about the people tax payers and voters to favor them.

The wife's dad is a big wig at the Globe. Lets just say he has say of what gets put in the paper. I will be talking to him soon and I will pick his brain about Jordan's article and see what their agenda is by going to press with it. I will report back.

Being a left leaning circulation I can only imagine that it has something to do with the democratic bloodbath in the recent mid terms.

The 'trouble' with what is given so far is that it seems to imply 'Secret Government ' by accident. Well meaning people just doing their jobs. I don't care what the author is saying in that respect, since he is part of the machine, and we also know government is full of conspiracy and lies, nothing accidental about it. Madman Bush and his testimony in camera over 9/11 for instance..he didn't even take an oath. The revelations of Edward Snowden that the CIA, also courtesy of Bush were/are spying on everybody illegally..that hasn't even been dealt with yet. Politicians in the USA and the UK lied through their teeth about this before Snowden. No, this looks like a big pot of varnish to put a 'nice' shine on things.

originally posted by: IShotMyLastMuse
unless he provides further clarification, "the secret government" can just mean how politicians wear two faces, how they just tell you what you want to hear.
i hate these exercises in vagueness...spill the beans or shut your trap urgh
Still, if it makes more people aware of the fact that politics is all a facade, and that they don't give a damn about us, i am totally in favor.

If you were to seriously wonder about a reason for this shadow government, you would have to go no further than to accept that UFOs are real and that aspects of the government, industry and especially the military have been actively involved in various degrees of responses to what obviously is a threat to our way of life EVEN if the ETs are lovingly benevolent. Or, you can merely do as you did, blame government. (Personal disclosure: I'm no great supporter of government!)

a reply to: BlastedCaddy

I agree. I was wondering what their motive was and this is what I think:

"You can't blame poor Obama for the state of the country. It's not his fault. It's the secret government's fault."

If you read the article I linked to at the Globe, you'll see they allude to this line of thinking.

a reply to: BlastedCaddy

Being a left leaning circulation I can only imagine that it has something to do with the democratic bloodbath in the recent mid terms.

I think so as well.

When I read the article it felt more like a justification piece to excuse Obamas failure in delivering his failed promises.

Although, I agree that our gov't is only but a tool for the lobbyist the articles real intention did not appear to me to expose the truth.

It came across to me as a means to keep party cheerleaders mentality going and shift the blame to the commonly associated republican military industrial complex.

Knowing that "They" have had in the works for some time now and have taken measures to bring about their ultimate plan ,there seems little we can do to stop it . Or is there ?

a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

From the article

Rather, he sees the problem as one of “smart, hard-working, public-spirited people acting in good faith who are responding to systemic incentives”—without any meaningful oversight to rein them in.

You know pieces of the "actual government" too. Think of elements of power that can not have oversight. These can not be controlled by people like a president or the senate or any judge as far as they go above their clearance. It's not really a secret.

When he says he is no conspiracy theorist that means what follows next won't fit your narrow story line of a conspiracy. There is another "government" that is out of control of the regular people you see, but it didn't plan to make itself so, in a conspiracy, and nor is it all one thing.

Basically it was created by accident by the actual government as natural flow of keeping secrets, and giving too many powers to certain groups.

When the people you elect are letting other people NSA have the power to spy on everybody, who then has more power the one guy? Or someone who is looking into everyone?

Why do you think Eisenhower said what he said? It's "unwarrented power" sought OR unsought. By a military industrial complex. Again a military industrial complex is not ONE THING. Rather it's like saying making money on killing people. IF you let this happen they will end up with more power whether they want it OR NOT.

Why do you think Kennedy was going to dismantle the CIA? Because their powers were not being checked and couldn't be reigned in. And obviously he had less power than them or he would have gotten that done.

It's not a secret government or shadow government. It's just power spread into unelected hands on purpose over the years by well meaning people. Here is the problem. When you make more powers and give them to "good" people. Eventually those more powers will be in bad peoples hands.

So here is the trick. Anyone who is given more power, should also have their power checked. A cop has more power, but most everything they do is documented. You can't trust those in power to be good. It's like owning a burger king and everything starts fine so you take out the managers and tell the employees to work on their own because you know they can do it. At some point the dude is going to stop washing his hands or mopping the floor or sanitizing the counters.

It's the same trick to making sure you stay free, is you have to make EVERYONE free. Otherwise anyone who is less free, however they are less free is a tool that can be turned on you. Anything that has more power to fight ISIS is a tool that can be turned on you. You can't have corporations making money on bombs, unless they get a bonus contract of dismantling unused bombs for extra money that makes keeping people alive a better business than killing.


In other words the problems this guy is talking about are systematic. They are creating themselves organically. It's not so much a conspiracy as it is the nature of security and secrets. Human Nature is currently dooming us.

I see information density as a savior of sorts.

But don't take this the wrong way. Even though I am saying this problem created itself as an accident I am not saying that once things started flowing this way that those in "secret" government positions didn't always want this in the first place. There is just a problem with so many peoples thinking that they simplify into blocks. Block A is secret government I put block here drool. See Block A meant to do this from 1,000 years ago... Well you know every individual has their own story line. Some did plan to be in secret governing positions, but they couldn't have done this acting on their own. You need naive people in power to help you along.

a reply to: MRuss

One of my SBA professors discussed the presence of a shadow government in class years ago. About made my jaw hit the floor. He wasn't a conspiracy theorist either. Of course, in his purview, he viewed that shadow government as being those corporate entities including media heads as being a "techno oligarchy". I don't think he ever once viewed the DoD as being under its own governance and really I think that error is consistent throughout the bulk of the population here in the US. It's a failure to realize that the DoD is, as demanded by its nature, an authoritarian regime whose leadership is not necessarily elected but instead appointed. There is no democracy within the DoD and, in some ways they cannot afford it. What would occur if every military action before it is executed be put to a vote? Let's say a company is being fired upon and a decision needs to be made quickly as to how to best respond. Those examples should indicate its need for being authoritarian. However, it's not without risk.

It's a good article by the Boston Globe that introduces the concepts of what the DoD represents. I think that, if it had been made longer or more drawn out by examples, it'd run the risk of losing its point in a pile of information and data. It's better to just inform people of that first idea--that alongside our democratic representative government that we have, we also have a second government which is authoritarian and wields enormous power over not just the troops but us all.

a reply to: MRuss

The internet and instant global communications changed the paradigm. In the past they could get away with the lies and people could not connect the dots. Now the dots are being connected and truth be told if a Republican wins the White house and it is business as usual the game will be over. People will see behind the curtain.



The two party argument will be over and the people will finally wake up. And when they do..........The sense of betrayal will be epic.

The title of the article sounds more like a "boast", in my opinion. As in "There's not a damn thing anyone can do now to change it! Bwahahaha!!!"

Especially since these papers are part of the reason the "shadow government" was able to come to fruition in the first place!

Quote:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."

He went on to explain:

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

-- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany

a reply to: On the Edge

You are right about the media being part of this machine/framework. Even the people in power can do nothing to change it at this point. It is a brilliant plan I must say.



The internet is the key........Over time stories add up and timelines are formed. People slowly connect the dots about the party they support. Like I said earlier if a Republican is voted in the next time around and fails to change the system the people will finally see behind the curtain.


This is why the PTB are feverishly trying to curb the flow of information. They are posting in comments sections and forums across the web. Conspiracy theorist in the future will be considered the enemy as the curtain slowly is pulled back.

a reply to: SubTruth

Trouble is, by the time most people do "get it", they will also have been convinced that it was necessary and a good thing!

And if they don't like it, well, they have plans for folks like that, too!

Thanks, Shadow Government!/

voting can make change
especially on local/state level

big secret govt is probably off planet

a reply to: MRuss

I totally agree with you in that this is a significant first step in as you know such a well maintained and controlled media. As always there is a motive, is it that they are starting to have a conscience? i dont think so, i think maybe they are trying to add to the discontent and anger amongst the people. I feel that no matter how much of this info comes out, the masses will continue on with their daily life and claim not to care. However those like the members on this site will feel vindicated and want some accountability...and maybe at any cost? Would fall in with the recent tilt towards conspiracy theorists as terrorists with this kind of info will only strengthen their belief and increase their anger and frustration at the sheeple (sorry only term i felt suitable ).

Maybe ive just become so skeptical of every piece of info that i dont even trust what i say myself

Okay, so, what if everyone agrees there is a "shadow government"....the real fun begins when trying to figure out WHO those shadowy figures are and what is their final goal?!!

a reply to: On the Edge

It's amazing to me that the collection of quotes regarding the NWO spoken and written by some of the world's most powerful people----fall on deaf ears. Even here at ATS.

How can anyone logically explain away these quotes?

They represent some of the most powerful proof of the existence of the NWO.

a reply to: MRuss

Maybe they're just paid to be disagreeable?

Some opinions on here are just too far-fetched to be at all logical.

(Probably my own at times, too!)...but I can always change my mind.

However, with some people in these "secret societies", they take oaths to Do or Die.

originally posted by: blacktie
voting can make change
especially on local/state level

big secret govt is probably off planet

Wrong. If every citizen in my state of Wisconsin had written in a vote for Bob Uecker as Governor, Scott Walker would still have kept his office. Voting for one of two different scumbags is an exercise in futility and ultimately a waste of time.