OK has anyone been paying attention to NASA tv

a reply to: UKWO1Phot

Why then is it not doing it to the many other specks of dirt on the window? There is one right beside the "UFO". That speck doesn't change. The specks at the bottom do seem to get illuminated but look nothing like the UFO.

a reply to: Cloudbuster
If you notice, the ISS is still illuminated by the Sun, so I would assume that the reflection of sunlight into the camera obscures the stars. I had often wondered the same thing with photos taken on the moon by astronauts. All of that reflected light would almost certainly wash out starlight. Of course this is based on my very limited knowledge of stellar photography. But it does make some sense. At least to me it does. Hee!

originally posted by: UKWO1Phot
a reply to: tanka418
You think the camera is on the outside of the ISS?
It's actually fixed next to a w indow.

Where is window? Please show on drawing / model of ISS...

Ye Gads. Have you folk commenting watched and thought about the video ?

It's so obviously light hitting a speck of something on the w i n d o w. ( had to space it like that, the word got replaced by a dash for some reason)

It took me a minute to watch AND to find this as correct. Flick the Youtube video backwards and forwards, watch the shadow moving around the lower right white cylindrical body of the station. The pace of change matches the pace of change on the 'blob'

Thought I'd post my thoughts up and genuinly, possibly save anyone thinking its a UFO a few minutes / hours of their precious lives.

I popped in to this post hoping that it was the real deal. Not so this time.

originally posted by: pot8er
It's so obviously light hitting a speck of something on the w i n d o w. ( had to space it like that, the word got replaced by a dash for some reason)

Wow...just wow.

I challenge anyone here to show where this camera is located, and please show us the window...

It's the bloody moon. Come on guys.

Also, what the hell is up with that 30 second intro? We want to see the UFO, not your little #ty special effect intro.

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: pot8er
It's so obviously light hitting a speck of something on the w i n d o w. ( had to space it like that, the word got replaced by a dash for some reason)

Wow...just wow.

I challenge anyone here to show where this camera is located, and please show us the window...

You can see a glass reflection with this shot:

Challenge met.... Now, care to give us your evidence that this is a UFO?

It could be any interior reflection that's highlighted by the sun or even a distant reflection of one of the circular windows on the ISS:

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: pot8er
It's so obviously light hitting a speck of something on the w i n d o w. ( had to space it like that, the word got replaced by a dash for some reason)

Wow...just wow.

I challenge anyone here to show where this camera is located, and please show us the window...

You can see a glass reflection with this shot:

Challenge met.... Now, care to give us your evidence that this is a UFO?

It could be any interior reflection that's highlighted by the sun or even a distant reflection of one of the circular windows on the ISS:

Wow, could you be any more inadequate?!!?

Seriously man, where is your evidence that there is even a "window" involved?

Which window was this taken from?

For that matter; how many "windows" does ISS even have? One, two, eight? Maybe 24...

And while I do see some things that might be reflections upon a window, I see nothing that actually indicates that they are.

You have jumped to conclusions yet again, and as is typical without any sort of evidence. So just to be absolutely clear here; I never said the "object" was a UFO. I questioned the lack of logic and evidence that was used to determine it is a "reflection".

So, still; I challenge anyone to show that it is a reflection on a "window". I challenge any of y'all to show "which" window this was taken through. And, finally, I challenge any of y'all to tell us "how many" windows there are on ISS, and where they are located.

There are many images extant that seem to show "interesting" things outside the ISS. The usual explanation is "reflections" upon the window. The problem is that there are too many different "views" for all of them to be a view through the same window, and there are many that are clearly NOT taken from inside ISS. Yet, it seems that all of you just accept the "stock" explanation without question...it is high time to question...everything!

a reply to: tanka418

Well the Cupola on the ISS has quite a few windows on it:



It's used for observation:



And even just relaxation to enjoy the view:



Each of the Soyuz crafts have view ports too:



So there are some of the windows and locations for you.

a reply to: tanka418

Wow, could you be any more inadequate?!!?

No need to get your panties in a bunch, slick.

Seriously man, where is your evidence that there is even a "window" involved?

Understand that "could" is a verb meaning it's possible that it's a 'window'. That's why I provided a photo of one of the windows on the ISS to show how the background of the Earth highlighted by the sun could sweep across like the lighting of this supposed UFO. There's one grounded possibility. Or as I said, it could be anything reflected from inside the space station. Even a distant planet still would outweigh a UFO. I'm still waiting for you or anyone to give evidence that this is an object floating in space.

For that matter; how many "windows" does ISS even have? One, two, eight? Maybe 24...

Don't know, but all it takes is one. Wouldn't you agree?

And while I do see some things that might be reflections upon a window, I see nothing that actually indicates that they are.

You have jumped to conclusions yet again, and as is typical without any sort of evidence.

There's no jumping to conclusions since ISS reflections have been called UFOs before. Look over the posts made on this forum. Sorry, but that's the existing reality.

So just to be absolutely clear here; I never said the "object" was a UFO. I questioned the lack of logic and evidence that was used to determine it is a "reflection".

This from someone that has mentioned in other threads the following:
- You believe you can summons UFOs at will or predict where they will be.
- You believe the 'Starchild' skull could be alien.
- You believe alien abductions could actually be happening.
- You believe aliens could be exact matches and indistinguishable from humans.
- You believe aliens have already addressed the U.N. G8 and G20.

See where I can come to the UFO conclusion based on your past comments? You not only believe in piloted UFOs, but you believe aliens are actually here on Earth interacting with humans. So this "Oh where did I say UFO/aliens?!?!?!" type of comment/tactic doesn't float. The same thing is done by other members. You're defending something and being excitable- *Wow, just wow!* and defensive for a reason. And that reason is most likely not one in favor of a boring explanation.

So, still; I challenge anyone to show that it is a reflection on a "window". I challenge any of y'all to show "which" window this was taken through. And, finally, I challenge any of y'all to tell us "how many" windows there are on ISS, and where they are located.

You actually challenged someone to show this camera is filmed through a 'window'. You asked and I provided the evidence that it is. That in itself shows the possibility of a reflection. As I stated above, search through the threads on this forum about the subject.

There are many images extant that seem to show "interesting" things outside the ISS. The usual explanation is "reflections" upon the _ The problem is that there are too many different "views" for all of them to be a view through the same window, and there are many that are clearly NOT taken from inside ISS.

Huh? I'm not aware of multiple cameras in different positions filming the exact same object. Care to post those?

Yet, it seems that all of you just accept the "stock" explanation without question...it is high time to question...everything!

That's because the stock and default answer will always be a logical and common explanation until proven otherwise. Not one of fantasy UFOs visiting the space station.

*NOTE: Not directed at you, Ectoplasm8, though I did borrow your quote to make a point.


I don't have a horse in this race at all. However I will point out that having perused enough of these threads, as often as

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
ISS reflections have been called UFOs before.

that the converse is also true; potential ufos have been brushed off as only "reflections" of some sort or another, JUST as many times, if not in almost each and every ufo thread posted.

So there's that.

Two opposing sides will never agree on this topic, and will continue to deflect and divide based upon their personal agendas/beliefs; therefore truth can likely never be known, except for those people whom experience such in person.

It is most unfortunate however, that especially on a site such as ATS, mere discussion seems to be often intentionally halted on this subject in particular, before any meaningful conversation can continue amongst those that believe or be open to any possibilities that may exist.

Just an observation.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
There's no jumping to conclusions since ISS reflections have been called UFOs before. Look over the posts made on this forum. Sorry, but that's the existing reality.

Yes; jumping to conclusions! I am fully aware of the previous posts n this; many of them are patiently wrong! Many of the so-called "reflections" are a view that can't be had form any window on ISS.

And speaking of windows; you haven't established that your image was taken from any of the rather few windows ISS has. Would you care to try to establish that as something vaguely resembling a fact? Which window is it from, which module is that window on?

This from someone that has mentioned in other threads the following:
- You believe you can summons UFOs at will or predict where they will be.
- You believe the 'Starchild' skull could be alien.
- You believe alien abductions could actually be happening.
- You believe aliens could be exact matches and indistinguishable from humans.
- You believe aliens have already addressed the U.N. G8 and G20.

See where I can come to the UFO conclusion based on your past comments? You not only believe in piloted UFOs, but you believe aliens are actually here on Earth interacting with humans. So this "Oh where did I say UFO/aliens?!?!?!" type of comment/tactic doesn't float. The same thing is done by other members. You're defending something and being excitable- *Wow, just wow!* and defensive for a reason. And that reason is most likely not one in favor of a boring explanation.

Any of that is relevant how?!??

So, still; I challenge anyone to show that it is a reflection on a "window". I challenge any of y'all to show "which" window this was taken through. And, finally, I challenge any of y'all to tell us "how many" windows there are on ISS, and where they are located.

Sound like we need a catalog of ISS window and camera positions and characteristics for reference. Should I put this on my to do' list for 2015 or would somebody else volunteer?

It's important to keep watching and reporting usefully -- that means log the TIME [gmt] of the event.

originally posted by: JimOberg
Sound like we need a catalog of ISS window and camera positions and characteristics for reference. Should I put this on my to do' list for 2015 or would somebody else volunteer?

It's important to keep watching and reporting usefully -- that means log the TIME [gmt] of the event.

Yes...absolutely!

Please!!!!

Locations of windows and cameras is something that should have been known BEFORE any mention of reflection was made. And could go a long way to helping make sense of what is observed by us remote watchers.

I learned [and remember] the space shuttle intimately, but the ISS -- not so much. Clearly, not enough. Needs fixin'.

But not today. Taking the grandsons to see 'Interstellar' for my 70th birthday.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

You can see a glass reflection with this shot:

Challenge met.... Now, care to give us your evidence that this is a UFO?

It could be any interior reflection that's highlighted by the sun or even a distant reflection of one of the circular windows on the ISS:

You used the wrong image for your demonstration...

That image is either photoshopped, or it was taken from the exterior of ISS...



As you can see; in your image the two Soyuz craft, and 'node 3' are on the right side of the image. From my illustration you can clearly see that the only available windows, the Cupola" are on the "right" side of ISS.

For your image to "be"...it must have been taken from the "left" or "port" side of ISS. There are no options; unless of course your image was "mirrored" in something like Photoshop.

Now then, on the Port side of ISS...the only possibilities you have are the airlock, or the Columbus module...neither of these have windows. Although the possibility of an exterior mounted camera is a very good probability...but then your reflection hypothesis kind of "goes out the airlock" (since there are no windows...)

The same is true for almost all "reflection" debunks seen here on ATS.

The HDEV unit is actually outside of the ISS and mounted on the Columbus module. But the cameras have lenses and they each have their own little 'window' to see out of.

Information here on Eo Portal (about 2/3 down) and on NASA's page

In my opinion an obvious reflection/lens flare, you'll note it coincides with the limb of the Earth ceasing to be illuminated while the station still is.

What is the exact time and date of this clip? It has to be exact. We can use satellite tracking software to see where it was and if it coincides with probable loss of contact with the network. This is not the only reason the feed cuts, but if it is in a position where it definitely would not have a downlink path then we know for sure that was the reason for signal loss.

a reply to: tanka418

Most exterior cameras have "windows" they look out of. It's to help protect the camera.

Just like many, many web cams or security cameras here on earth that are located outside.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: tanka418

Most exterior cameras have "windows" they look out of. It's to help protect the camera.

Just like many, many web cams or security cameras here on earth that are located outside.

While it is true that Earth-bound cameras that are located "outside" are housed in some sort of weather resistant enclosure; that is not required in space, nor would such a housing provide any protection. Best case...they might wrap the camera in Gold foil to help with thermal issues. You need to understand that there are a whole new/different set of environmental issues created by being 200 miles into space.

However, that does not explain the "impossible" image being used currently. By-the-way...the OP video was recorded from the Copula.

a reply to: tanka418

You really think that space is an "empty" environment, and that there is no need to encase cameras, because there is nothing to hurt them???

wow.

Space is anything but empty. There is a huge amount of things that are in space, that engineers do not want inside their camera systems.

Better to have a window cover on a camera you can get to damaged by dust or debris, and easier to replace than the entire camera assembly.

The ISS HDEV camera assembly...windows included: