Scientists, Pilots, & Doctors on Chemtrails

a reply to: TWILITE22

No matter how you say it or how you attack people will never change the truth of chemtrails.

Yes they don't exist.

Now as for the video...

That is from Dane Wigington gullible money taker extraordinaire. Far from being credible, and definitely good at lying.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: TWILITE22

No matter how you say it or how you attack people will never change the truth of chemtrails.

Yes they don't exist.

Now as for the video...

That is from Dane Wigington gullible money taker extraordinaire. Far from being credible, and definitely good at lying.

Indeed. Dane doesn't understand the basics of aviation. He doesn't know what an aerodynamic contrail is, confuses flap hinges with 'spray nozzles', doesn't know how or why a contrail persists, etc.

Here's an excerpt from a debate with Mick West:

'Mick: They are just normal jet exhaust. It's no different from what you get out of the back of your car.

Dane: Okay, so if it's normal jet exhaust, then why do we have films of KC-10s and KC-135s spraying at altitude with the nozzles visible? And turning on and off, how can that be considered normal exhaust.

Mick: You don't have video of the them spraying. You have video of KC-10s leaving contrails. and they turn on and off because they are moving through areas of high and low humidity.

Dane: [laughs] Mick, you could chop this stuff with a knife, I mean, we have video of trails that look like they were cut with a knife. Absolutely...

Mick: ... yes, but, that's what contrails...

Dane: ... you think an air mass changes that meteorologically, you think an air mass changes, in the span of, ...

Mick: ... alright, let me ask you a question about that then, have you ever seen the edge of a cloud?

Dane: the edge of a...? Mick, a cloud is a different formation, than even the definition of a condensation trail, it's completely different. A cloud is, you're comparing an apple with an orange.

John: Hold on, let Mick go

Mick: alright, a clouds is an area of high humidity. A cloud is just an area, it's a volume the air made visible, as someone said a few hundred years ago, it's visible because because the humidity is such the the water vapor in it condenses out.

Dane: what is necessary for that cloud to form though Mick? Particulate matter. Right?

Mick: Yes particulate matter, but ...

Dane: ... it can't form without particulate matter can it?

Mick: ... the air is full of particulate matter. Everywhere, even in the clouds or not in the clouds, there's particulate matter everywhere, there's no shortage of particulate matter. The stuff that comes out of the back of the plane helps the contrails to form a little bit, but if it was perfectly clean, if it was just spraying water out of the back of the plane, you'd still get a contrail, because there's particulates in the atmosphere.

But the point we were talking about here is that there's a gap in a contrail, now, all the contrail is doing is revealing where in the sky the areas of humidity are. So if there are area of humidity that are shaped like clouds, which have very sharp edges, you've see cumulus clouds with incredibly sharp edges, why wouldn't a trail flying, a plane flying through area of humidity start and stop at exactly where those boundaries are? If it was flying through...

Dane: ... the turbulence alone around a passing aircraft could never make possible what you describe, it is absolutely impossible. And if you describe, what you described is true Mick, then how come as the same time we see an aircraft leaving a trail from horizon to horizon, we can spot, and we have on film, aircrafts flying at the same approximate altitude, leaving virtually nothing. Why is that? How is that explained?

Mick: because, it's the same approximate altitude, it only takes a few hundred feet in difference for you to be in a different layer of the atmosphere. And it can be very different humidity. There have been tests done in Germany where they have two planes flying side by side. One of them leaves a trail, and the other one doesn't leave a tail, because they have slightly different engines.

[55:55]

Dane: How come at the same time there's film of one the two shutting off, and leaving nothing, again, and starting up

[crosstalk]

Mick: because, they are flying out of a region of

[crosstalk]

Mick: it's basically the same answer as before, there's regions of humidity, they are like clouds, if you can see, you can see lots different shapes of clouds and that's how the regions of humidity are, they are exactly the same shapes as clouds, they come in layers, they come in holes...

John: ... so what I understand is that there are pockets of air, that are creating and not creating the the stratospheric [inaudible]

Mick: Pockets of air which are suitable for contrail formation....

Dane: ... let's take that to another level then, how come we see three-engined jet aircraft leaving a single trail. How come we have aircrafts that have have one, maybe they have a jet engine that is mounted crooked on the plane, because you can see the plume shoots far off to one side. And it really is not a jet engine....

Mick: Three engined planes appear to leave one contrail because the engines are basically very close together, and they merge very quickly, after, like DC-8s, I think.'

And it goes on like that. See here: www.metabunk.org...

I mean for someone who is such a vocal chemtrail pusher, he sure knows very little about his subject matter. This is basic meteorology and aviation stuff here, and yet Dane is completely clueless.

a reply to: payt69

I mean for someone who is such a vocal chemtrail pusher, he sure knows very little about his subject matter. This is basic meteorology and aviation stuff here, and yet Dane is completely clueless.

How very right you are.

Here is a recap of the video for those who missed it, I would certainly have more trust in what identifiable experts are saying in this video over anonymous posters on the internet who could have any agenda:



Here is the longer version if you are so inclined:

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Out of curiosity, if an investigation was given, and the results were exactly what we have been telling you, would you believe it?

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

So if a guy wearing a Pilots epaulettes and cap tells you a contrail should quickly vanish and not persist and spread, you believe it.

What you are saying here is that you are swayed by the trappings of authority and lack the knowledge to recognise a lie when it's told to you.

It's not about what I, or anyone else on this forum tells you. If you don't understand the proven science about contrails and cloud behaviour, atmospheric studies, basic aviation knowledge etc etc, then you have no basis to go about declaring chemtrails are real because you simply cannot know either way. You destroy your own credibility without any effort from anyone else at all.

This guy who says he's a pilot. What's his log book? What are his type ratings? How many hours does he have?

Oh yeah, he wears his cap in court, lol.

originally posted by: waynos
Oh yeah, he wears his cap in court, lol.

Nice job noticing that. A clear indication he was never taught about how to wear his uniform.
But he sure does look like a pilot.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

really - please list the identities and credential of all the aledged " experts " presented in that farce

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
Here is a recap of the video for those who missed it,

And here's a recap of why it is entirely bunk

I would certainly have more trust in what identifiable experts are saying in this video over anonymous posters on the internet who could have any agenda:

So would I - except here are NO EXPERTS IN THAT VIDEO....at least no experts on anything to do with atmospherics.

See the link above for how they are lying to you,