DWP orders man to work without pay for company that let him go

a reply to: boohoo

"So you are telling us that those people were nothing more than "proto-nazis"? "

Who are "those people" to which you refer?

"proto-nazis"?

You mean an Aryan race? That's laughable, its like saying white people!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bates

This country sickens me!

Hopefully someone out there will recognise this Man's plight and offer him a rather more appropriate form of gainful employment with a proper wage. The Man is 60 next year, hardly on the scrap heap just yet, and most lightly, given his age a fountain of knowledge pertaining to his skillset.

I'm going up to the factory either tomorrow or Monday...maybe ask the guy some questions..?? going to take him some food, maybe slip him a couple of quid.

Anything you all would like me to ask him.?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: boohoo

"So you are telling us that those people were nothing more than "proto-nazis"? "

Who are "those people" to which you refer?

"proto-nazis"?

You mean an Aryan race? That's laughable, its like saying white people!

Thats a non sequitur and doesn't address a single thing I just talked about:

Ever heard of the "Peasants Revolt"?

So you are telling us that those frustrated people were nothing more than "Proto-Nazis"?

The Peasants Revolt, of 1381, was triggered by the "Statute of Labourers 1351".

The sustained wage growth for non-land owing, wage-laborers was rising so quickly that the English parliament, a few decades post the Black-Death, under King Edward III, introduced the "Statute of Labourers 1351". It was used by the "Owners of Capital", as an artificial means to drive down the wages of non-land owning peasants. Despite market conditions signalling the need for increased wages.

avalon.law.yale.edu...

The Statute of Laborers; 1351 ("Statutes of the Realm," vol. i. p. 307.)

Explanation of Shay's Rebellion according to andy06shake? Simple Proto-Nazi's, case closed.

I think not!!!

a reply to: boohoo

Buddy I think you may find you are the one that mentioned Proto-Nazi's not me, as to them being a plausible explanation for anything? Not in my book im afraid. Im just not wired that way.

"Ever heard of the "Peasants Revolt?"

I cant say I have, I have however come across the legend of a fair days pay for a fair days work, but these days that's about as plausible as Unicorns.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

That's a good thing ta do!

Just hope he finds his feet soon!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: boohoo

Buddy I think you may find you are the one that mentioned Proto-Nazi's not me, as to them being a plausible explanation for anything? Not in my book im afraid. Im just not wired that way.

"Ever heard of the "Peasants Revolt?"

I cant say I have, I have however come across the legend of a fair days pay for a fair days work, but these days that's about as plausible as Unicorns.

You're still dancing around my points and ignoring what I said.

Both Shay's Rebellion and the "Peasants Revolt", were instances where the people took matters into their own hands when government and the "owners of capital" would not act on their behalf.

It was YOU whom called people taking these kinds of actions "Nazis"

originally posted by: andy06shake
And if roughing up specific people is all we have left then humanity is pretty much doomed to repeat Nazi Germanys mistakes because roughing up specific groups is how that whole mess began.

In fact I'd argue exactly the opposite, if someone had ruffed up the executives whom were shipping jobs out of the country, long ago, maybe their attitude would be different today. But instead the lower classes let it slide and now these "owners of capital" think money makes their mortal bodies invincible. They wouldn't believe such if they actually had to face a real mob after them, only then, would they finally know their own mortality, as the mob came for them.

The Peasants Revolt, of 1381, was triggered by the "Statute of Labourers 1351".

The sustained wage growth for non-land owing, wage-laborers was rising so quickly that the English parliament, a few decades post the Black-Death, under King Edward III, introduced the "Statute of Labourers 1351". It was used by the "Owners of Capital", as an artificial means to drive down the wages of non-land owning peasants. Despite market conditions signalling the need for increased wages.

avalon.law.yale.edu...

The Statute of Laborers; 1351 ("Statutes of the Realm," vol. i. p. 307.)


I get it, you're a shill, trying to quiet the masses.

a reply to: boohoo

"I get it, you're a shill, trying to quiet the masses."

So im a shill because I don't agree that violence solves our problems? Or is it because i refuse to address or recognise any significance regarding the relevance of something that transpired in 1381 pertaining to the present day predicament? If history has taught us anything its that up until now its the people with power that control the flow of information, even back in 1381.

Violence solves nothing and the day humanity recognises that simple truth will be the day we finally start to resolve our differences.

Have to say I have never been called a plant or a stooge before, certainly never helped a person or organization without disclosing that I had a close relationship with such. LoL

Rather sad really when one has to resort to name calling, what's next threats of violence, maybe im one of "those people" to which you refer?

originally posted by: andy06shake
So im a shill because I don't agree that violence solves our problems? Or is it because i refuse to address or recognise any significance regarding the relevance of something that transpired in 1381?

Violence solves nothing and the day humanity recognises that simple truth will be the day we finally start to resolve our differences.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing, but you have yet to offer an example of when "civilized" action, doing nothing more than "nudging" and "begging" the elite, resulted in something positive for the lower classes.

If you don't understand how the "Peasants Revolt" and "Shay's Rebellion" are relevant to what we are facing today, than simply put, you have no knowledge of history and should refrain from making any further historical analogies or references in your posts.

FYI , there is also the "Bonus Army" and the "Battle for Blair Mountain", both of which are more recent. Open a book, download a peer reviewed journal article or two, do more than skim a wiki article and start educating yourself.

a reply to: boohoo

There is never going to be anything positive for the lower classes. The problem is the class system, and the divide which it creates, the descent among the masses is one of the main control constructs TPTB use on a daily basis to divide and conquer.

People these days don't so much make their own decisions, its more like we choose from the multiple choice scenarios or opinions presented to us via CNN/SKY/BBC or any other mass media network you care to choose.

Please do tell how events that transpired in the year 1381 have any relevance regarding todays world or the working man's place in such. Considering back then we had no form of democratic process, or system of laws that are even remotely similar to the ones we have in place today? We certainly did not have the population problems or immigration issues that are also contributing factors regarding the socio-economic crisis we face today.

What was your other "historical analogy", Shay's Rebellion, these are all just revolts of the poor that happened century's ago(1786). Please tell me how these events are significant other than the fact that they attempted to achieve their goals by use of violent means? In the end the class system is still in existence, people are still poor and hungry, still does not mean violence is the answer as history cruelty illustrates.

May i also suggest opening a book or two yourself on the subject of manners and decorum because I really don't care for name calling or the implication that I have no knowledge of history, truth be told i find it rather childish. Then again you do seem to be promoting the use of violence regarding a specific demographic "Those people". That's also childish, certainly very short sighted.

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: 8675309jenny

Mmmm... The people from 2 of those places you mention, Iran and Syria, are probably more "western" than perhaps the media like to make out. Syria was a secular country, with almost none of the Muslim Fundamentalism we see today, where Christians, Muslims and even Jews were free to adhere openly to their own religions, and were protected in doing so. It was the west that sent in the heavily armed Jihadis, along with their Saudi chums to overthrow Assad.

As for Iran, yes, there are still some areas that adhere to a more stringent following of Islamic law, but for the most part many in Iran are more "western" than we are led to believe by the hysterical media.

If you want to see real barbarism, look no further than Saudi Arabia. The press made a real big deal over ISIS lopping off the heads of 3 western prisoners, but in the same time period, SA lopped off the heads of 75 criminals and prisoners. They then topped it off (forgive the pun) by announcing the death sentence on a dissident by beheading, then crucifying his headless corpse in public as a warning to others. Yet, we are not invading them, or condemning them and their tea towel wearing goat molesting royals (there are a lot of them) get to come and go as they please.

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the government(s), in allowing immigration from harder line Islamic states, and further allowing those coming here to squeeze the taxpayer for benefits most native whites could only dream of, is deliberately meant to give the people stuff to focus their anger on. A distraction set up deliberately and to dilute nationality. Whilst there are many immigrants who do intermarry and assimilate, there are many who do not and try to have the rest of us change to suit their cultural or religious needs or demands. Sharia, Talmudic or any other religious law should be stamped out in the UK. Abide by British law or go elsewhere! I know, I am a racist, I'll probably go vote for UKIP too!

Completely agree. I know the cliff notes history of some of these places, and Saudi Arabia is just sickening.

I reallt wish our gov'ts has just left these places the hell alone. We have done nothing but make the MiddleEast a more dangerous, miserable place to live. And in doing so, have then created the asylum seekers.

The whole thing is totally f*cked really. You're not racist, you're human.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: bates

This country sickens me!

Hopefully someone out there will recognise this Man's plight and offer him a rather more appropriate form of gainful employment with a proper wage. The Man is 60 next year, hardly on the scrap heap just yet, and most lightly, given his age a fountain of knowledge pertaining to his skillset.

I'm going up to the factory either tomorrow or Monday...maybe ask the guy some questions..?? going to take him some food, maybe slip him a couple of quid.

Anything you all would like me to ask him.?

Find out if the JSA staff were having 'beef' with him and if this was his punishment.

Let him know he has a lot of support (not that it really means anything).

Takes balls to stand up for yourself in this day and age, because of people like him maybe people in the future can avoid such ill treatment.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: boohoo

Please do tell how events that transpired in the year 1381 have any relevance regarding todays world or the working man's place in such. Considering back then we had no form of democratic process, or system of laws that are even remotely similar to the ones we have in place today?

The revolt created these laws and systems. Without them, we wouldn't be here today.

They ended serfdom, slavery, gained freedom, passed Acts through the royal courts that promoted equality between aristocracy and the plebs and had reduced UK slavery levels to 1.3% within 80 years.

Read some history and UK constitution - this is essential reading if you want any understanding of the world, culture, civilization and how to change it, you are wrong on every single point - UK law goes back 3000 years or so and the revolt was a pivotal moment in mankind in breaking slavery, giving people rights and forcing the aristocracy to dismantle class systems and replace them with democracy, equal pay and led to the end of the Dark Ages.

As for the argument things of 200 years ago are no longer relevant - what about the various religions that've been around for thousands of years, created laws, society etc...I'm guessing you're American?

a reply to: bastion

Why guess I'm American, what are you implying by that remark?

As to what's relevant and what's not I really don't see how events that transpired Centurys ago have any significance regarding the current predicament in which we find ourselfs other than the fact that we have obviously failed to learn from our past mistakes. The events are certainly relavent to laws being past. Then again laws have been implemented throughout history seldom to the gain of the common Man yet allways with an agenda.

And I think you may find the code of laws dates back significantly further than 3000 years originating somewhere in Sumuria if memory serves and a whole lot earlier than 3000 years ago.

I won't attempt to guess your nation of origin as its most lightly the same as mine. LoL

originally posted by: andy06shake
As to what's relevant and what's not I really don't see how events that transpired Centurys ago have any significance regarding the current predicament in which we find ourselfs other than the fact that we have obviously failed to learn from our past mistakes. The events are certainly relavent to laws being past. Then again laws have been implemented throughout history seldom to the gain of the common Man yet allways with an agenda.

And I think you may find the code of laws dates back significantly further than 3000 years originating somewhere in Sumuria if memory serves and a whole lot earlier than 3000 years ago.

Feel free, to keep living in your intellectually barren world. You're wrong, know nothing about history and are too smug to admit you're outmatched on this particular topic. Its ok to disagree, however, its not ok to ignorantly argue against a topic, due to lack of a proper academic background in the subject. You have demonstrated that we cannot have a proper discussion as equals.

Here is a hint, due to the "Peasants Revolt" you are no longer deemed by "rule of law", to be a "serf", "slave" or "peasant". You can thank those people whom died for your current slightly increased freedom. Again, Open a book, download a peer reviewed journal article or two, do more than skim a wiki article and start educating yourself.

a reply to: boohoo

I'm not too smug to admit I'm no expert regarding history. Truth be told i'm probably no expert regarding anything. What's your claim to fame? Certainly not manners. I'm also not silly or naïve enough to imagine events that took place centuries ago have any bearing or direct effect regarding the world in which we live today. Or imagine that we can solve our problems by targeting a specific group with violence which seems to be your childish solution to our problems.

The rough up such and such and they will know better next time attitude went the way of the dinosaurs long ago, its called progress, welcome to the next millennium mate.

And on that note I will bid you fair evening, considering I have better things to do with my Friday night than argue the historical relevance of whatever tripe your attempting to back up the use of violence with.

originally posted by: andy06shake
Or imagine that we can solve our problems by targeting a specific group with violence which seems to be your childish solution to our problems.

The rough up such and such and they will know better next time attitude went the way of the dinosaurs long ago, its called progress, welcome to the next millennium mate.

Then you are a part of the problem, may you get swept up and away with those oppressors whom you are naively advocating "peaceful" ties with.

Realize and admit to yourself, that they will give no such quarter, in return...

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

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